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FAYETTEVILLE PARKS AND RECREATION
ADVISORY BOARD
Minutes for Special Meeting December 1, 2011
Opening:
The special meeting of the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board was
called to order by Jim Meinecke at 12:06 p.m. en route to the proposed
park land.
Present:
Parks and Recreation Advisory Board members Hazelrigs, Meldrum,
Thompson, Meinecke, Waite and Watson were present. Bailey, Lindsey
and Mason were absent. Staff members Edmonston, Humphry, Jumper,
and Jones were in attendance.
AGENDA:
1. Park Land Dedication:
Development Name:
Engineer:
Owner:
Location:
Park Quadrant:
Units:
Total Acres:
Land Dedication Requirement:
Money in Lieu Requirement
Existing Parks:
Developer's Request:
Alison Jumper, Park
Planning Superintendent
Quarry Trace Commons
Milholland Engineering
Tim Brisiel
North of Hwy. 16 E, west of
Lake Sequoyah
SE
114 Single Family
35 acres
2.74 acres
$109,440
None within 1/2 mile, Lake
Sequoyah, Baryyari Park and
Rodney Ryan Park are within
one mile
Dedicate approximately 2.8
acres
Justification: No public park land exists
within lh mile as
recommended by the Parks
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and Recreation 10 Year
Master Plan.
Annual Maintenance Cost: Park will be designated as a
natural area and will not be
developed therefore requiring
little maintenance.
Park & Recreation Staff Recommendation: To accept 2.8 acres
as a natural area.
Jumper gave a description of the project in the van on the way to the
site.
Meinecke introduced the project once at the site.
Hazelrigs asked what is happening with the quarry.
Tim Brisiel described the project and the quarry and mentioned the
quarry will be a P.O.A. maintained area with natural features. The area
needs significant cleanup and he would like to develop a trail around it
to connect to the proposed park land. He sees the quarry as an attraction
to the subdivision but will likely have to fence it for liability.
Meldrum asked if the quarry has water in it now.
Brisiel replied yes.
Watson asked if there were plans to develop the park area in conjunction
with the P.O.A. area.
Edmonston replied the area will be left as a natural area.
Thompson asked if the tree preservation area remains accessible to the
public. The park land looks like an odd piece of property without access
to the tree preservation area.
Hazelrigs asked if staff thought this land would be a dumping ground.
Humphry replied that is something we would have to keep an eye on. It's
always a possibility.
Brisiel said that he did not think detention ponds were acceptable as
park land. Since the quarry was serving as detention for the development
he did not think that was acceptable for park land dedication.
Edmonston stated she is glad the developer is looking at the quarry area
as a feature for the residents of the development.
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Hazelrigs asked if developed, would it would be easy to connect it to the
proposed park area.
Brisiel replied that having a trail just around the quarry would be nice as
well.
Meldrum stated he had a contrary viewpoint and was not jazzed about
the proposed park land. He feels this is leftover land and doesn't know
that this sliver is enough to make a park. He asked if we requested
money in lieu what would happen to the land.
Brisiel replied it would be nice to get housing lots out of it if it is not
accepted as park land.
Thompson stated he could vote for the land only if the public was allowed
to access the tree preservation area.
Jumper stated that when the original development came through
language was included to allow public access.
Brisiel said the land was purchased specifically for tree preservation and
park land.
Meldrum stated this was not an appealing piece of property to him.
Thompson stated that P.O.A.s don't typically like to be next to public
park areas.
Meinecke stated that the area will never be true park. If we want it to be
a natural area it seems to fit. If it were to be a future developed park he
would be more concerned with it. There isn't much you can do with the
land anyway.
Brisiel asked if it would be more beneficial if he incorporated another lot
or two on the street frontage.
Jumper replied that wouldn't be beneficial in the development of the park
because we don't typically place playgrounds next to streets for safety
reasons.
Watson stated this is what was approved originally and the streets are in
and there is not a lot we can do to change the layout.
Hazelrigs asked if staff is recommending accepting the land.
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Edmonston replied yes, since they are proposing 114 units and we are
preserving land that is next to a tree preservation area.
Meldrum stated he disagrees and doesn't see any use in the land. We
have city parks within one mile and he would rather take the money in
lieu.
Brisiel asked if it would make a difference if he were to clean it up while
he had equipment in there.
Meldrum stated he didn't know if that matters or not.
Meinecke stated that if we take the money in lieu the land may stay the
same anyway.
Brisiel stated the developer did purchase the land for the purpose of tree
preservation and park land.
Watson asked if the original recommendation was to accept the land.
Edmonston replied yes.
Meinecke stated he would lean towards money in lieu but it was accepted
before.
Thompson stated that in the long term for Parks and Recreation we have
to consider if it is a good park or not.
Meinecke stated it would never be a park anyway.
Edmonston stated that the trails may happen anyway, sometimes they
just appear.
Meinecke stated if he knew that there would be a trail to connect to the
quarry it would tip the scale for him.
Brisiel stated he is open to that.
Waite asked if the trail would be open to the public.
Jumper stated you could place a public access easement on the trail.
Edmonston stated we cannot require more than what the ordinance
states. The board can wait to make a decision if they want to think about
it.
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PRAB Motion: Hazelrigs made a motion to table the item until the
December 51h meeting, Thompson seconded. Motion passed 6-0-0
by voice vote.
2. Adjournment:
The meeting adjourned 1:04 p.m.
Minutes taken by Alison Jumper
