HomeMy WebLinkAbout2003-04-02 - MinutesMINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE
TECHNICAL PLAT REVIEW COMMITTEE
A regular meeting of the Technical Plat Review Committee was held on Wednesday,
April 2, 2003 at 9:00 a.m. in Room 111 of the City Administration Building, 113 West
Mountain, Fayetteville, Arkansas.
ITEMS CONSIDERED ACTION TAKEN
LSP 03-30.00: Lot Split (Whillock Estate, pp 596) Forwarded
Page 7
LSD 03-10.00: Large Scale Development
(Campus Properties, pp 520)
Page 9
Forwarded
FPL 03-2.00: Final Plat (Mission Place, pp 370 and 409) Forwarded
Page 20
LSD 03-25.00: Large Scale Development
(O'Charley's, pp 212)
Page 2
LSD 03-15.00: Large Scale Development
(Butterfield Trail Village, pp 175)
Page 26
Forwarded
Forwarded
STAFF PRESENT STAFF ABSENT
Matt Casey
Sara Edwards
Renee Thomas
Kim Hesse
Tim Conklin
Perry Franklin
Danny Farrar
Travis Dotson
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LSD 03-25.00: Large Scale Development (O'Charley's, pp 212) was submitted by
Edwards and Hotchkiss Architects on behalf of O'Charley's Incorporated for property
located at the northeast corner of Steele Boulevard and Shiloh Drive. The property is
zoned C-2 and contains approximately 1.27 acres with a restaurant proposed.
Edwards: Welcome to the April 2, 2003 meeting of the Technical Plat Review
Committee. I am going to start with item number four which is LSD 03-
25.00 submitted by Edwards and Hotchkiss Architects on behalf of
O'Charley's for property located at the corner of Shiloh Drive and Steele
Blvd. The property is zoned C-2 and contains 1.27 acres with a restaurant
proposed.
Dill: My name is Jason Dill, I am with Design & Engineering, we are the Civil
Engineers for this. Those are the plans that you have. If you have any
questions I would be glad to answer them.
Edwards: From Parks there are no comments. From Landscaping, This information
may be included with the site plan. A Preliminary Landscape Plan is
required for Planning Commission review and the Final Landscape Plan is
required prior to issuance of the Building Permit. The landscape plan
meets our ordinance requirements. Please consider introducing a second
tree species for your development. The two shade tree species shown are
both maples and although they are different varieties, we suggest a mix of
species within each development. From Fire, a sprinkler system is
required. A free standing fire de ailment connection located out of the
collapse zone of the building and. within 100' of the hydrant should be
added. From Planning, I am considering the fourth page to be the site
plan. It does need to be to scale.
Dill: Our scale wasn't done.
Edwards: There was a note to not scale this drawing. Add a parking table to state
the number of parking spaces provided. Two sets of adjoining property
owners labels shall be submitted immediately. Those are required for us
to do notification. You are required to do notification as well and there is
a comment about that at the very end. We do need those as soon as
possible to stay on this schedule. We do not have any color elevations of
the monument sign. Show the adjacent zoning on the site plan. Adjacent
property owners should be added. Add plat page 212, that is a city
referencing system that we would like you to add to the front. I didn't see
a legal description.
Dill: There is a property description at the southwest corner. This property is
being platted as we do this I think is part of this.
Edwards: Actually I did show a lot split approved about a year ago for this. Parking
stalls, our regulation is 9'x19'. I see they are set here being 20' wide. Is
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there a good reason for that or can you reduce it? The reason we do that is
to try to reduce the impervious surface on the site.
Dill: We can do that. We like to reduce asphalt.
Edwards: Matt made this comment too. We have a standard bicycle rack that has to
be used. It is the "U" shaped rack.
Dill: Do you happen to have a detail for that?
Casey: I can get that for you.
Edwards: Parking lot lighting needs to be designed and located in such a manner to
preserve the scenic appearance of the corridor, it has to be shielded and
directed downward, does not shine light into adjacent neighborhood and
shall not exceed 35' in height and shall utilize sodium lighting fixtures. I
know Target used the sodium so it will match theirs. We have a
requirement for an off-street loading dock. I see an offsite loading area. I
don't necessarily take issue with that. I think we can work with that. I
think that we need to make sure that Target is being shown on that
property and you have permission from them.
Dill: Since we submitted our guys at O'Charleys say they don't like that so they
are actually investigating doing some changes on the back and maybe
moving the dumpster and getting a drive. The problem is we can get a
truck in, getting the truck out is going to be kind of tough but maybe if we
move the dumpster and open this up in here to get him out that may be an
option. We are going to eliminate that offsite loading.
Edwards: Ok. Utilities have to be underground. If you need any waivers they need
to be requested in writing. In reviewing the Commercial Design Standards
and the Design Overlay District standards. This is in the Design Overlay
District and it is in a subdivision that has covenants as well. If you look at
Target and Kohl's we paid a lot of attention to the design of their buildings
as to different things like front facades, etc. The first thing I need you to
do is call out the materials to be used and the colors of the materials and
we need material samples of those. We do have a requirement that this be
compatible with adjacent development and have a recurring identifiable
theme. You may be using the same brick but I'm not sure.
Dill: I'm not sure. That sounds more like the architect's questions.
Edwards: Also, we are going to recommend that all four sides completely
constructed of brick. We are also going to recommend that the columns
continue along both the sides and the rear of the building. This that is
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probably metal is going to have to be brick. Also, we have a requirement
that a front facade face all streets. I am just going to make a suggestion
and you can try to make that however you want. You can repeat this
structure to make it more like a front and you don't necessarily have a
door there. If you drive by Target on your way out they did put canopies
on the side of their building. Do you have a parapet on here?
Dill: Yes, there is a parapet wall around there.
Edwards: Ok, it needs to screen all rooftop utility equipment.
Dill: We need to have that raised up to the freezer/cooler part.
Edwards: Any kind of meters or transformers need to be shown on the elevations,
any sort of outside units must not be visible. We suggest screening those
or painting those. That is all that I have. Revisions are due April 9th by
10:00 a.m. There is a note about what is required prior to permit so that
you are aware and then what is required with regards to notification. That
is all that I have. Matt Casey, our Staff Engineer will go over engineering
comments.
Matt Casey — Staff Engineer
Casey:
I really don't have very many comments. Sara already touched on having
a north arrow showing and the scale showing, we need that on the grading
plan as well. Also, we need a note on how all the disturbed areas are
going to be addressed.
Dill: We have an erosion control outlined on the grading sheet I believe to try to
address that.
Casey:
If you could also show the existing sidewalks along Shiloh and Steele. I
have got some standard comments in for sidewalks but you are really not
adding or modifying any of these.
Dill: The only thing we are going to do is connect to the existing sidewalk
down on the southwest corner.
Casey: So you can disregard those. Again, Sara has already mentioned about the
bike racks and I can get you a copy of the detail.
Dill: We have done an initial drainage report and I did the best guess of what
you wanted. I can leave this with you and then maybe you could comment
on that on exactly hat you wanted. Basically the existing section and the
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Casey:
Dill:
Casey:
proposed development additions and then did a little analysis on the storm
sewer system.
Ok, I called your office last week and let them know that we needed that.
Normally we would table you at this point for not having a drainage report
but I know you are out of Tennessee and I don't want you to come back
for just that. I will just call or fax you some comments on that.
Great. It is our assumption that all of our drainage will be routed to this
pond in the development to the rear of the development.
This development is going through a storm water plan and as long as you
are showing that this meets everything that is in that plan then it will be
fine and detention will not be required because it is already provided
through this development.
Dill: We will probably just need to coordinate that to make sure our number
going out is acceptable, which I am assuming it is because it is not a very
big number.
Casey: I think they accounted for development on this lot anyway so it should be
ok but we will check that and see.
Jim Sargent — AEP
Sargent: We have an existing junction box down that side where your service will
come from. We will need a 20' easement from where the utilities need to
be stopped to where you are showing the transformer pad.
Dill: Ok.
Sargent: There is a utility easement running along the east property line.
Dill: You just want this perpendicular to that.
Sargent: Yes. We do need 10' of clearance between the transformer pad and the
building. I think you have 5' shown. I need load and voltage information
also.
Dill: Ok.
Sargent: That is all that I have.
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Johny Boles — Arkansas Western Gas
Boles:
You are showing at the southwest corner of this property the 8" and 10"
transmission lines. Those are the only facilities that we have in close
proximity to this project so the actual tap will probably be made off of that
10" line at that location and the meter placed at that point and then they
will have to run a private line from there to the building. They will need
to get in touch with me with load information so I can size that properly.
That is all I have.
Dill: Do you want us to set the meter just on the other side of the parking lot
right there where we are going to be tapping on that 10" line?
Yes, the meter will be located right on top of the line there in that green
space.
Ok.
We will need conduits from our junction box to that transformer location.
Ok.
I didn't see those on there.
We'll put those on there for you.
Boles:
Dill:
Sargent:
Dill:
Sargent:
Dill:
Larry Gibson — Cox Communications
Gibson:
Sue Clouser
Right here on the south side of the building in that easement that runs east
and west where it says SWEPCO transformer just to the west of that
square with a T on it that is ours. It is not telephone, that is cable. It is an
8" distribution station. Also, you have got it labeled for a 2" conduit over
to the equipment room. I would like to change that to a 4" if I could from
that pedestal location to your building and sweep it up 14" or so above
grade on both ends with a pull string. Just notify us when they break
ground for the project and we will get everything in. That is all I have.
— Southwestern Bell
Clouser:
Edwards:
I would like if you could to bring your conduits out over to Steele Blvd.
for telephone. We will be feeding from over here somewhere. I would
like to have pull strings in there. I need a #6 bare ground to power
provided at the telephone board.
If you have any questions you can call.
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LSP 03-30.00: Lot Split (Whillock Estate, pp 596) was submitted by Alan Reid on
behalf of the Whillock Estate for property located at 1903 Finger Road. The property is
zoned A-1, Agricultural and contains approximately 25.50 acres. The request is to split
into two tracts of 2.89 acres and 22.61 acres.
Edwards: We will go back to the first item, LSP 03-30.00 submitted by Alan Reid
on behalf of the Whillock Estate for property located at 1903 Finger Road.
The property is zoned A-1, Agricultural and contains approximately 25.50
acres. The request is to split into two tracts of 2.89 acres and 22.61 acres.
I don't see anyone here. I guess I will take any comments for them. Do
any of the utilities have any comments for them? It looks like we are ok
with everything.
Mike Phipps — Ozark Electric Coop.
Phipps: Any relocation of existing utilities will be at the developer's expense.
That is all that I have.
Boles: I would like this 20' on the west side of Finger Road is that noted as utility
easement or is that just setback?
Edwards: I think that is right of way.
Johny Boles — Arkansas Western Gas
Boles: I would like 20' on both of these properties where they front Finger Road.
Larry Gibson — Cox Communications
Gibson: I was going to ask for an easement on the south side of this one lot going
east and west but until they decide what they are going to do with that
acreage back there I can wait.
Edwards: Can we take it off of this front?
Gibson: Yes. It can go either way, it can go between them or just to the south side
there either way.
Edwards: I know that they are selling this house so a utility easement won't benefit
them.
Gibson: Just get an access back here.
Edwards: Ok.
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Sue Clouser — Southwestern Bell
Clouser: Any relocation of existing facilities will be at the owner's expense. I
agree with the utility easements requested.
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LSD 03-10.00: Large Scale Development (Campus Properties, pp 520) was submitted
by Mel Milholland of Milholland Company on behalf of Campus Properties for property
located north of Stone between Cross and Lewis. The property is zoned R-2, Medium
Density Residential and contains approximately 3.74 acres. A 78 unit apartment complex
with 86 bedrooms and 114 parking spaces proposed.
Edwards: The next item is LSD 03-10.00 submitted by Mel Milholland of
Milholland Company on behalf of Campus Properties for property located
north of Stone between Cross and Lewis. The property is zoned R-2,
Medium Density Residential and contains approximately 3.74 acres. A 78
unit apartment complex with 86 bedrooms and 114 parking spaces
proposed. From Parks, the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board voted to
accept money in lieu for parks fees in the amount of $24,366 for 62 units
and that is not for the existing 16 units on site.
Jefcoat: Are there 16 or 19 units on site?
Turner: We were told that there are 16.
Jefcoat: There are 17 on site.
Edwards: From our Landscape Administrator for tree preservation. She is asking
that you include groupings of tree canopy on your drawing and confirm
that these areas of canopy are calculated as existing canopy. Additional
review is required once this tree line is depicted on the plans.
Hesse: It looks like you calculated this area in, I need you to show it and then
give the list of species, etc.
Jefcoat: Ok.
Hesse: We may need to go walk the site.
Jefcoat: Ok.
Edwards: From Fire, he saw one at the northwest corner of the complex are there
any others?
Jefcoat: We are putting one at the end there.
Edwards: That is the one he sees on the plan. Are there any others on the site?
Jefcoat: No.
Edwards: Ok.
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Jefcoat: That is the only one we are putting in, the others are existing.
Edwards: Where are the others?
Jefcoat: As I remember there is one across the street on this land and there is one
down off on this side. This is all 2" water lines running down here. I will
mark it on there. They are offsite.
Edwards: From Planning, I have a note that you need to correct parcel numbers. I
think it is just transposed because we have got 11591 and it is supposed to
be 11951. We need a tree preservation plan. On the site plan I would like
for you to differentiate which trees are existing and which ones are
proposed. I am assuming that these three are preserved but they are not
with any different line type.
Jefcoat: We submitted a color coded copy to Kim so I will give you a copy of hers.
Edwards: I am going to also ask that you just take the tree preservation plan off there
and amend the site plan and take the grading off too with your next
submittal.
Jefcoat: That is the reason we ran color coded.
Edwards: Whatever it takes for the Planning Commission to see. If you want to do
the color coded ones and turn 15 of those in that is fine.
Jefcoat: Just separating it off would be easier.
Edwards: They do need a tree preservation plan. We need right of way
dimensioned. Add easements. Do you know how tall the buildings will
be?
Crandall: 17' with eave.
Edwards: We do need building setbacks labeled as required and proposed. That way
when we go to permit it is all done.
Jefcoat: It is hard to see but they are on there. The building setbacks are the line
there.
Edwards: Maybe when you take the grading off I can see that. I will need
dimensions on the buildings too and the property lines for the proposed
setbacks. Did you do any research on this to the north? I am still showing
that that is right of way.
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Jefcoat: We are showing it as street.
Edwards: You are taking a 20' setback off of that?
Jefcoat: That is what we did.
Edwards: You might just want to put the name of the street and put right of way so
we will know what it is.
Crandall: I think itis Main Street.
Jefcoat: It does jog off there. When this street was built and when this street was
built it was built in the wrong location and it angles across and that is part
of the problem with this street is it is a 15' wide street and that is probably
the reason why this was never built. I am not sure how it all happened but
I spent a lot of time researching that.
Edwards: Ok. Our parking stalls are required to be 9'x19'. We have a provision to
allow for 17' deep wherever there are landscaped areas only.
Jefcoat: Here we have got 19' where it is over sidewalks and 17' where it is over
green space and we can check those to make sure we did that.
Edwards: Trees are required to be planted along Lewis, one per every 30'.
Jefcoat: We will put that in. Along the landscape in the front of Stone and along
Lewis only?
Edwards: Wherever there is a street. You do have to have it along all streets. I
wasn't going to worry about over here.
Jefcoat: This belongs to the gas company.
Edwards: Ok. Show and describe proposed site lighting to make sure it doesn't
trespass on adjacent property. Dumpsters will be screened. Are you going
to have any signs?
Jefcoat: No.
Edwards: I see an existing utility line on site do you know the size of that?
Boles: They have a 6" high pressure gas line running through there.
Newman: It is 8,000 volts.
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Edwards: That will have to go underground.
Jefcoat: I think we have had some discussion about putting that underground. The
overhead electric that runs along Stone I think that we have got some
comments about that and putting it underground.
Newman. It serves a couple of houses on the south side of Stone that are not going to
be affected.
Edwards: How many does it serve Glenn?
Newman: I think it is two or three separate homes.
Edwards: I will tell you, my ordinance doesn't say if it serves other people. What it
allows for is one pole on each site. You can ask for a waiver from
Planning Commission.
Jefcoat: Can we get a letter from you two of some sort to put with the waiver so
that there is backup?
Newman: That just states that there are other customers that would be affected by
this?
Jefcoat: Right.
Newman: I can do that.
Gibson: We have got the same issues with that. We also have fiber optic on that
site too. It runs east and west on Stone joint usage on the SWEPCO poles.
We have the same issues with the homes across the street.
Jefcoat: Can I get a letter from both of you all to add with the waiver?
Gibson: Sure.
Edwards: We are going to let you go to Subdivision but when you get to Subdivision
we are going to recommend that this project be tabled due to other
improvements on other projects that are not complete that you have done
Mark that are not complete such as a detention pond.
Casey: For this one right here as a matter of fact.
Edwards: We don't feel like we should be approving other developments until the
other things that you have done are complete.
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Casey: Olive Street, Oakland.
Edwards: We will work on getting you a list of all of that.
Jefcoat: Please provide a list to Mark in a letter form and I am sure he will take
care of it.
Edwards: Revisions are due April 9th. You know about notification of adjoining
property owners with a Large Scale, easement plat and all of that.
Matt Casey — Staff Engineer
Casey:
Tom, most of my comments for grading and water are just standard
comments that you have seen before. If you have got any questions about
those let me know. I do want to point out that we have a 20' setback for
all buildings from the 100 -year water surface elevation of the ponds. That
is for all of them adjacent to the ponds. That is in our drainage criteria
manual. For the sidewalks Lewis is a local street and needs a 6' sidewalk
and a 6' green space. I think you have got that shown.
Jefcoat: I think I have got the 6' green space but I think the sidewalk is 4'.
Casey:
For multi -family we require the 6'. I think there has been some discussion
between Mark and Chuck when this development went in about possibly
connecting the sidewalk between the two developments. I can't require
that but I sure would recommend it. I don't know if Arkansas Western
Gas would have a problem with crossing the sidewalk across the front of
that line.
Boles: Probably not.
Jefcoat: Yes you would, the trucks couldn't get back there.
Casey: I think that is something that has been discussed at some point between
them.
Jefcoat: I am not sure what that discussion was but somebody give me direction as
far as going across. If you don't have any objection with putting the
sidewalk across Johny.
Casey: It would be within the right of way.
Jefcoat: It would be in the right of way and you are saying all the way to the end of
lots?
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Casey: Yes, just connect it to the sidewalk that is proposed for this development.
Jefcoat: There is no sidewalk there now.
Casey: There is supposed to be.
Jefcoat: No.
Edwards: It is pretty new isn't it?
Casey: Yes it is still under construction.
Jefcoat: I don't know if it is still under construction. Mark could tell you that. I
know that when it was approved the sidewalk was either wavered or
something but it was approved without the sidewalk being installed.
Casey: That is not what Chuck told me. We need to take a look at that and see.
Crandall: When I called Chuck out to look at the sidewalk so he could look at it
because there is such a mess there with the poles and the gas company and
the water lines and that stuff and he basically told me to hold off until this
came through. We did talk about combining everything into one. What
we talked about at that point was running the sidewalk through the
driveway like I would normally do but then we would have to jump out
into that ditch to go around the power pole that is here which would
require probably 50' or 60' of an 18" culvert being put in and it all being
filled and then the sidewalk to run on top of the drainage system. I think
what we were talking about there is I was going to pull some of my
drainage system out to be able to attach to something to be able to give the
city that 50' and then we would run the sidewalk down the top of the
whole thing. I think that would be great to make that sidewalk continuous
all the way around but that is where the discussion ended and we haven't
heard back either way.
Casey: I will check back with him again and see what the status of that is.
Jefcoat: That culvert would have to go all the way across in front of the gas and
connect to the culvert at the end.
Casey: I don't think Johny Boles would have a problem with that culvert.
Jefcoat: Back to the sidewalk in front along Stone Street.
Casey: Stone Street requires a 6' sidewalk and a 6' green space just like the other.
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We went out there and looked at it yesterday.
Jefcoat: We have to weave back and forth in and some of that weaving has to do
with the power pole locations and that road right of way. That road is
built a foot and a half bigger than the standards now. If we can get that
green space reduced to 2' or 3' instead of the 6' green space that would
keep. We are still going to have problems with the power poles. We are
still going to have to come out, come around, jog around the power poles
but we can set it 1' off the property line. I think if you go back and read
that letter we can set it 1' off the property line and then a 6' sidewalk
would leave us a 2' or 3' green space.
Casey:
Jefcoat:
Casey:
We probably need to work that out at the time of construction. We will
need the 6' sidewalk for the entire length. What we had looked at was
weaving around these trees if they need to be saved. That one looks like it
is in pretty bad shape.
We have one that is in bad shape but the one that is closer to the front is
probably the better of the canopy.
That is the one I thought looked pretty bad. We can work that out at the
time of construction but we will need the new sidewalk continuous down
Stone Street.
Jefcoat: A 6' instead of a 4' and then we will work our way around. You have got
a power pole almost scattered down through there, three or four of them
that are going to be in the way.
Casey:
We just recommended money in lieu along Cross because of the
topography and the growth up there. The calculation for that is $2,610.
We are going to recommend for street improvements along Lewis 14'
from centerline.
Jefcoat: No, that is the first time I heard about that.
Casey:
It is just along this portion. We won't be requesting anything along Cross
or Main and Stone is already constructed with curb, gutter, and storm
sewer. That is all I have.
Glenn Newman —AEP
Newman: How wide is that easement along Stone Street?
Jefcoat: There is a new right of way dedicated there and then the new utility
easement would be setback from there. You have got an additional 10'
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Newman:
Jefcoat:
Newman.
Johny Boles
Boles:
Jefcoat:
Boles:
Jefcoat:
Boles:
from what is there now is what we have figured out.
The main comment right now is any relocation would be at the expense of
the developer. That underground that we are talking about if the waivers
are not acquired then that will be their expense to convert that from
overhead to underground for both of those customers on the south side of
Stone Street would be at the expense of the customer.
We will definitely ask for a waiver. Please give us a letter to go with it.
Ok, I will get you a letter. Other than that that is all the comment I have.
— Arkansas Western Gas
Tom, do you know if your client is going to want gas for this project?
No.
This 2" wrapped steel line that you have got shown going through the
center of this project I believe is being fed off of this cross street setting
down here at the southwest corner of this project. We may have some
conflicts with adequate cover. This line does need to remain. It serves
additional customers offsite to the east of this project. It looks like you are
showing about eight existing services there now, gas meter locations. Are
any of those still active accounts?
I have no idea.
You will need to let me know when we need to proceed with retiring all of
these services through there at whatever point we need to. The 6" high
pressure line coming off of Stone Street on the north side of Stone Street
you have got it shown on the north side of Stone down to the southeast
comer and then it turns north and it is the inlet feed to this Lewis Street
station. Coming out of that Lewis Street station that pressure is cut
probably from about 500 pounds to 120 pounds. There is another line that
comes out of Lewis Street station at 120 pounds PSI and it goes north
down that section. I made you a copy of the facilities that we have in that
area. I will get that to you after we finish here. There may or may not be
a conflict with that proposed tile north of the Lewis Street station for the
sidewalk. We will just have to get it located and double check. Any
relocation of these existing facilities will be done at the developer's
expense. That is all I have.
Jefcoat: If there was to be a relocation of the 2" wrapped line do you have any idea
of the cost?
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Boles:
I am not sure Tom. I would just have to put some cost figures together. I
am almost certain that you are probably going to run into some grading
issues, depth for sure down here at this detention pond. What is the width
of this project in footage?
Jefcoat: It is 490 on the top side.
Boles: Ok. Also, on the north side of Stone Street, is this a proposed 18" RCP
down here along the north side of Stone? We may have some conflicts
with that 6" high pressure line down through there. It might be necessary
to in a few locations to get that line uncovered and check some depths on
it before that construction begins.
Jefcoat: We were just trying to pick up the water before it got all the way to the
intersection.
Boles: If that line has to be relocated that will be very expensive. That will be
thousands of dollars.
Larry Gibson:
Gibson: I have some of the same issues SWEPCO has on the north side of Stone as
far as relocating. We do have a fiber optic line running east and west on
the north side of Stone. If this does have to go from overhead to
underground we are going to ask for approximately 30 to 45 days to
complete our work from the time SWEPCO completes their work. They
may have to work at night to keep from interrupting services. On the
north side of buildings 5, 6, 7, and 8 with that UE being along the south
side there where the parking lot is going to be we will definitely need to be
notified when you break ground on this so we can get that all in there
before any curb and gutter goes or asphalt. We will probably need to set
pedestal locations in these islands depending on where the electric meters
are going to show with the buildings.
Jefcoat: It is hard to see but we have conduits and crossings and things so maybe
we can work that out.
Gibson: I can get you a conduit routing as soon as I find out for sure where the
electric meter is going to go on the buildings.
Jefcoat: We ran conduit up to the front and to the middle of these buildings.
Gibson: Ok. If this overhead stays on the north side of Stone I would like to just
dip off of it to service these buildings on the south side of buildings one
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and two, three and ten. We have existing there and we can just dip off
those poles underground and then go over to the other buildings from
there. If we have to relocate anything it will be at the owner's expense.
Sue Clouser — Southwestern Bell
Clouser: Pretty much we will go the same way Larry said to feed the buildings. I
would like to see two 4" conduits with pull strings at each of the buildings.
When we get to building five if you can get me a conduit from building
five all the way to this island over here.
Jefcoat: I think we have a quad conduit here.
Clouser: Ok. I can't quite see where the utility easement ends here.
Jefcoat: It comes all the way out and that is so that water and things can be
extended in the future.
Clouser: Is this grade going to be a problem to work in here?
Jefcoat: No.
Clouser: If I can get a conduit under that.
Jefcoat: Ok.
Clouser: Any relocation will be at the owner/developer's expense. We have
overhead here and we also just put a new overhead line here to feed their
new building down here.
Jefcoat: Will you also get a letter of recommendation for me?
Clouser: Can you provide the addresses for the buildings across the street?
Jefcoat: Yes.
Clouser: I also need a #6 bare ground back to power at each of those locations
where the telephone terminals are going to the building. Did that
easement end up to be at least 20' around Stone there?
Jefcoat: Yes. It is 20' from the new right of way. The reason for that additional
space is that the road is built at an angle.
Turner: Revised park fees would be $22,973.
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Jefcoat: Thank you.
Clouser: Please be sure to let us know when you are breaking ground on this one.
The new one on Lewis I didn't even know they had apartments there until
I got an order for it.
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FPL 03-2.00: Final Plat (Mission Place, pp 370 and 409) was submitted by Crafton,
Tull and Associates, Inc. on behalf of CTC Ventures, Ltd. for property located south of
Fairview Cemetery and west of Mission Boulevard. The property is zoned R-1, Single
Family Residential and contains approximately 3.15 acres with 10 lots proposed.
Edwards: The next item is FPL 03-2.00 for Mission Place submitted by Crafton, Tull
& Associates on behalf of CTC Ventures for property located south of the
Fairview Cemetery and west of Mission Blvd. and zoned R-1 containing
3.15 acres with 10 lots proposed. Parks fees in the amount of $4,700 are
due prior to signing the Final Plat. What I did on my review is review it
assuming this is what we want to record at some point. I need plat pages
370 and 409 added. We need you to take off the tree preservation
boundary areas.
Hesse: They are not required for a residential subdivision.
Kelso: We have done it for everything else and we weren't real sure so I said
well, just throw it in there real quick.
Hesse: Yes, it would actually make several of those lots unbuildable.
Kelso: It would and that was one of my questions that I was going to ask you.
Edwards: When you take that off if you could enlarge the vicinity map for us. You
should have plenty of room. I want you to add utility easements. You
have got a solid line for the front building setback and utility easement.
Kelso: It is probably a dashed line and then it has got that where it shows the
frontage, do we need to show that?
Edwards: You just need it on these corner lots but if you could take off that solid
line.
Kelso: If we just moved it a little bit that would probably clean it up.
Edwards: That may work. If you could put the contact information on the plat
somewhere, actually, it is right there. Signature blocks. We need the City
Planner changed to the Zoning & Development Administrator, I need
Sidewalk and Trail Coordinator changed to City Engineer. We need the
sidewalks shown. Are there any subdivision signs proposed?
Kelso: Not that I am aware of.
Edwards: Addresses are required to be on the Final Plat and you can get those from
Jim Johnson.
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Kelso: Ok.
Edwards: Proof of street light payment. Are they in yet?
Kelso: I don't think street lights are in yet.
Edwards: If they are not in by the time we sign the Final Plat we just need proof of
payment receipt and a copy of the check. A sidewalk guarantee must be
received prior to signing the Final Plat.
Kelso: I do know that they are going to build the sidewalk along Mission Blvd.
and they will bond the rest of it.
Edwards: The rear of lot 5 I show a 20' utility easement. My notes from Planning
Commission said to remove all the easements in the rear of the lots.
Boles: He can't do that, I have a gas line in there.
Kelso: Pretty much all the utility easements that we could have up front are there.
Hesse: What we are going to do for new utilities is up here. With this here I don't
think it effected. I know we were pulling it from this side.
Gibson: I think at the time that this went through they couldn't decide if they
wanted the utilities in the front or the rear.
Hesse: Is it all SWEPCO?
Kelso: Geoff Bates was the engineer on it before.
Newman: It seems to me that Jim's comments were that the utilities would be on the
front lot lines.
Kelso: I know we agreed on that on the other one we did, Jackson Place so maybe
we did on this one too.
Clouser: I'm almost positive we did on this one too.
Kelso: Just this back line right here is that where your gas line is at?
Boles: Yes. Actually early on in this project it got broken at the back of lot 5. It
is running north and south in that easement back there.
Kelso: Ok.
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Boles: I will need to utilize that easement between 5 and 6.
Gibson: Yes, that is how we were going to get from the back.
Edwards: Right of way, you have got proposed right of way. It will need to be right
of way dedicated by Warranty Deed and we will need to have that deed
recorded before we sign the Final Plat.
Kelso: Just the right of way along Mission right?
Edwards: Yes. I would like for you to take Rudy Hatcher lot 12, and some of that
other stuff out to clean it up for filing. The sidewalk on Mission prior to
signing the Final Plat. Restrictive covenants for maintenance of the
detention pond. Lot one the setback to the south only needs to be 8'.
Kelso: On the south side?
Edwards: Yes. I am looking for a note to be added to the plat that says no curb cuts
are allowed on Mission.
Matt Casey — Staff Engineer
Casey: Jerry, I just need you to add a 20' wide drainage easement.
Kelso: I wonder if we shouldn't just make all of lot 11 a drainage easement, it is a
detention pond.
Casey:
Kelso:
Casey:
That is fine.
That would just clean it up a little bit.
We have already covered the maintenance of this lot. The only other
question is do they have the pavement down yet?
Kelso: They were supposed to pave either yesterday or today.
Casey: Ok, before this gets to Subdivision we need to go ahead and have our final
inspection.
Kelso: I think it will be either later this week or the first of next week. Do I just
need to call you to set that up?
Casey: Call an inspector.
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Kelso:
Ok.
Glenn Newman — AEP
Newman.
Kelso:
Newman:
Johny Boles
Newman:
Kelso:
Casey:
Boles:
Edwards:
Casey:
Boles:
Kelso:
Boles:
Jerry I apologize, Jim has worked out this project and I think everything is
going to be on the front lot line. I don't know of any other comments that
we need to make other than that. Did you have any questions?
I don't have any questions because I'm just as new to this as you are. We
have new all new people to finish this thing.
Ok. If Jim hasn't finished I will finish it. That is all that I have.
— Arkansas Western Gas
Jerry, do you know if this 20' access and this drainage easement between
4 and 5 and utility easement between 5 and 6, do you know what the
finished surface conditions are going to be like?
I think it will just be grass.
It will be gravel.
I am going to deal with service issues of putting double services on
property lines. If my service has to be outside of this easement then we
are going to deal with a narrow road frontage lot with driveways and
everything else. The placement, for example for meter locations and
transformers for lot 5 and 6.
Would that have to be an access easement?
This would have to be an access to get to this. That is actually the only
one that has to be graveled, the one between 5 and 6.
Do you see what my concern is?
Could you put a double meter between 4 and 5 and between 6 and 7 that
way you could stay away from that lot line between 5 and 6 or does that
mess you up?
That is a workable deal. Still though out here at the street if I put a service
up and there is no development there and then they come along and
propose their driveway, I need to know where these driveways are going
to go into 5 and 6 I guess to try to work those out. I have run into some
issues on the narrow pie shaped lots at the end of cul-de-sacs.
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Kelso: I think the owner involved with this is planning on building all of the
houses so we will probably be able to work that out.
Boles: Ok. This is for Larry's benefit the access is going to be 12' gravel
between 5 and 6 and between 4 and 5 is going to be just grass is that right
Matt?
Casey: Yes.
Newman: Ok, so the front easement we aren't going to have an issue with the
concrete?
Kelso:
Boles:
Kelso:
Boles:
Casey:
There is a concrete pipe that comes down through there.
How much cover is going to be over it? We are probably going to need
casings underneath.
I am afraid it is already in there. It is an 18" pipe and it is probably
between 1' and 2' deep.
We will have to boar under it.
The minutes of the previous Plat Review for the Preliminary Plat doesn't
say anything about whether it is front or rear service.
Clouser: What is the date on that?
Casey: July 31, 2002.
Boles: That is all that I have.
Sue Clouser — Southwestern Bell
Clouser: You won't know if we asked for crossings or not because you weren't
here.
Gibson: Are there any crossings in here Jerry?
Kelso: Yes, there are several crossings.
Gibson: That may have been how we were going to avoid this.
Boles: Can you show those crossings on the Final Plat?
Kelso: Yeah.
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Gibson: They are there as far as you know? I know they have already got a gravel
base down.
Kelso: They should be there.
Gibson: That may get away from the boar.
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LSD 03-15.00: Large Scale Development (Butterfield Trail Village, pp 175) was
submitted by CEI Engineering Associates, Inc. on behalf of Butterfield Trail Village for
property located at 19233 Joyce Boulevard. The property is zoned R-2, Medium Density
Residential and contains approximately 45.75 acres. The request is the addition of a new
22,347 square foot Alzheimer's care unit with 34 additional parking spaces proposed.
Edwards: Finally we have LSD 03-15.00 for Butterfield Trail Village, it was
submitted by CEI Engineering Associates, Inc. on behalf of Butterfield
Trail Village for property located at 19233 Joyce Boulevard. The property
is zoned R-2, Medium Density Residential and contains approximately
45.75 acres. The request is the addition of a new 22,347 square foot
Alzheimer's care unit with 34 additional parking spaces proposed. There
are no comments from Parks. We do need to get a legal description. That
is just a requirement so we can make maps. From Fire, a sprinkler system
is required attached to the existing system if possible. If not able to attach
to existing system then the FDC needs to be freestanding and located
outside of the collapse zone and within 100' of the hydrant. He can't tell
where the fire hydrants are. Landscape review, a preliminary landscape
plan is required for Planning Commission to review and a final landscape
plan is required prior to the issuance of a building permit.
Hesse: Will this have automatic irrigation?
Yates: It will be automatic.
Hesse: We will need a note on your landscape plan. I don't know the feasibility
of moving the sanitary sewer to save that tree.
Yates: The drive is what was killing it but I can talk to you about that and if we
can save it we will.
Hesse: Also, I note that you are changing the sidewalk here if you are really
looking at taking this tree out.
Yates: The building is really what is making that tree go.
Hesse: The other thing is you are showing a shaded area, is that just going above
and beyond? You can really count those trees because you show grading
over there.
Yates: There is not grading that far.
Hesse: Ok. Thank you.
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Edwards: From Planning, an Alzheimer's care unit is a Conditional Use in an R-2
zoning district. The deadline for that is Monday. Add adjacent zoning.
Add plat page 175. Dimension the right of way from centerline, it should
all be in place. Parking, I see your parking table here says required
parking 423, total parking 363, why are we short?
Yates:
We looked at the initial bed counts and everything and they came up short.
What I asked the owner to do is to look at it to see if he wanted to expand
to meet the full requirement or if that would be accepted for their needs.
They did a study as far as the number of staff they have and what their
expansion will be and they felt with their parking they have actually more
than what they would need for that.
Edwards: I need it all in writing. If they have done a study then great. We need you
to dimension the parking stalls. Kim, you were ok with the landscaping
for this parking lot?
Hesse: Yes.
Edwards: Bike racks are required.
Yates: Where would you like to locate those?
Edwards: Up towards the front.
Yates: The entries are in the front, this circular area right here, all of this is going
to be limited area and be for emergency use.
Edwards: That is all I have. Revisions on this are due April 9th
.
Mike Casey — Staff Engineer
Casey:
Yates:
Casey:
We need a note added to the grading plan showing that the detention pond
will be sodded. We normally require a concrete channel through the
detention pond.
I think 1% slope is as high as you can go without a concrete trickle
channel.
I think that will be fine, you have got that shown pretty good. I would like
to see some storm sewer directions if we could. I went ahead and reviewed
this as a construction plan. You were very thorough with everything that
you submitted with grading and drainage so normally I wouldn't ask for
that at this point. Go ahead and include storm sewer and erosion control
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Edwards:
Mike Phipps
Phipps:
Yates:
Phipps:
Yates:
Phipps:
Yates:
Phipps:
Yates:
Phipps:
Yates:
Phipps:
details. The bottom portion of the grading plan was kind of cut off. That
is all that I have.
Utilities?
— Ozark Electric Coop.
We should have an existing 20' easement along that east property line.
Ok.
I think we got it when we did these homes down on the south. I have got a
three phase overhead line in that easement. Is this building sitting where
that garden area was?
Yes Sir.
Depending on how they want to power that up, we can't serve this
building if it is connected to another building unless there is a fire wall.
I think the intent is to do upgrades. This was master planned in the initial
design and I will verify what they are intending to do as far as electrical
engineering.
I think this whole thing is one master meter on this Butterfield Trail
Village.
I believe the intent is, and I had preliminary discussions with those guys,
is to serve all of that from within. The only thing we are bringing from the
outside is fire service, water service, and gas.
The way it is set up here is what it looked like they would do.
Do you have a plan or something? We went to Washington County
Courthouse to pull a file on this to get some easement information and
didn't find it. What have you got that shows your easement?
All I have got is for the southern part of this development, the cottages
down below that we requested that easement. There is an existing power
line that is down that side. I believe we have an easement on the other
side. If it is an overhead it is probably not recorded. We don't record
those overhead transmission lines.
Yates: I will do some research and see if I can come up with anything.
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Phipps: We wouldn't have anything on that other than our line exists so a utility
easement exists. That is all I have.
Johny Boles — Arkansas Western Gas
Boles:
I think that as you know everything that is existing is master metered so
we will need existing load information and future load to see if any
upgrade is going to be required for this project. That is all that I have.
Larry Gibson — Cox Communications
Gibson: Right there at the northeast corner of this new addition where the old
building ends they are going to come out here with a junction box, just on
the north side of that chimney right there we have the distribution trunk
housing for all of these existing buildings that are already here. If they
could come up with something where we could mount that in there or have
a place to leave it with a different mounting, maybe a wall mount type
thing would be the cheapest. To move this outside of the building they
would have to come in and run all these wires back out, it would be quite a
deal.
Yates: What I want to do is get with the electrical engineer and I may have to
have a meeting with you to talk about what he has got planned for that.
Gibson: It is a pedestal sitting on the ground now but if we bring that up and do a
wall mount or some kind of enclosure.
Yates: That will be the key to put that in.
Gibson: The distribution line for this new addition would need to come back to this
location.
Yates:
We had some discussions about what was there with that chimney and that
they were going to come out. I will have a coordination meeting with you
on that to make sure we are on the same page.
Gibson: We would have to schedule a time to do that if it does need to be moved or
retro or whatever. Of course the interior wiring of these buildings will be
the responsibility of the builders. We would get the distribution cable
over from there to this building.
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Sue Clouser — Southwestern Bell
Clouser: It will be up to you guys to get the phone lines in there from the existing
demark. I am not sure where our cable comes out of the existing building
going out to feed the cottages.
Yates: I think it may be the same fake chimney there.
Clouser: We may have the same relocation problems there. That might be a
conduit. I didn't do the job so I am not sure but we definitely need to
address that. If there is any relocation it will be at the developer's
expense.
Yates: When I get that meeting with Larry I will get with you as well and then we
can go over all of that.
Clouser: If you can get locates out there ahead of time too.
Gibson: I have a pretty good idea of where that line comes from. It dips off of that
overhead line there on the east side and then it comes over to the building.
I think it is just on the north side of that little garage or whatever it is and
then comes straight over to the building but we would probably need some
locations done for sure.
Yates: I think they located all of that recently. That paint goes away but I will
have it all relocated if so.
Edwards: Ok, meeting adjourned.