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PLANNING COMMISSION
A regular meeting of the Subdivision Committee was held on September 22, 2003 at 5:30
p.m. in room 219 of the City Administration Building, 113 W. Mountain, Fayetteville,
Arkansas.
ITEMS CONSIDERED ACTION TAKEN
LSP 03-46.00 Lot Split (Copher, pp 396) Approved
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PPL 03-14.00: Preliminary Plat
(Newcastle Estates, pp 180)
Page 4
Approved
PPL 03-15.00: Preliminary Plat (Copper Ridge, pp 435) Approved
Page 10
CUP 03-20.00: Conditional Use
(Station on College, pp 445) Approved
Page 14
CUP 03-21.00: Conditional Use (April Lee, pp 523) Approved
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MEMBERS PRESENT MEMBERS ABSENT
Don Bunch
Alan Ostner
Jill Anthes
Alice Church
Sharon Hoover
Bob Estes
Christian Vaught
Nancy Allen
Loren Shackelford
STAFF PRESENT STAFF ABSENT
Dawn Warrick
Suzanne Morgan
Jeremy Pate
Renee Thomas
Matt Casey
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LSP 03-46.00 Lot Split (Copher, pp 396) was submitted by Vance Copher for property
located at 6460 Double Springs Road. The property is in the Planning Area and contains
.82 acres. The request is to split the lot into two tracts of 0.33 acres and 0.21 acres with
0.28 acres dedicated right-of-way.
Hoover: Welcome to the September 22, 2003 Planning Commission meeting.
Renee, would you call the roll please?
Roll Call: Upon the completion of roll call there were eight Commissioners present
with Commissioner Shackelford being absent.
Hoover: Thank you. Is there a motion to approve the minutes of the September 8th
meeting?
Allen: I move for approval of the minutes.
Bunch: Second.
Hoover: There is a motion by Commissioner Allen and a second by Commissioner
Bunch. Renee?
Roll Call: Upon the completion of roll call the motion to approve the minutes was
approved by a vote of 8-0-0.
Thomas: The motion carries eight to zero.
Hoover: Thank you. Item number one under new business tonight is LSP 03-46.00
for property at 6460 Double Springs Road. Jeremy?
Pate:
Thank you Madam Chair. The first item on the agenda tonight is a Lot
Split for Mr. Vance Copher for property located within the Planning Area.
The request is to split the tract of .82 acres into two tracts of .33 acres and
.21 acres. Currently a single-family residence is existing on the proposed
tract B. This home is proposed to remain. The proposed tract A is
currently vacant with a residential dwelling planned. The existing home
currently has an individual septic system servicing the residence for the
parent tract. This existing septic system has been reviewed and approved
as adequate by the Washington County Health Department as required by
ordinance. An additional septic system is proposed for the split for tract A
as well and the applicant has submitted proper paperwork for that
proposed septic system as well. Staff is recommending approval of this
Lot Split with the following conditions: 1) Double Springs Road (County
Rd 880) and John Miller Road (County Rd 4712) required right-of-way
dedication shall occur with the filing of the plat. 2) The applicant shall
provide the correct Certification and Dedication blocks on the plat in order
to properly dedicate the required right-of-way. 3) Side setbacks shall be
revised on the plat to reflect correct Planning Area setbacks of 10 feet. 4)
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Hoover:
Copher:
Hoover:
Bunch:
Hoover:
MOTION:
Estes:
Ostner:
Hoover:
Roll Call:
Thomas:
Washington County approval shall be obtained prior to filing of the lot
split. 5) No portion of any structure shall be built over any public utility
easement. 6) The existing septic system location shall be indicated on the
plat. Item seven is a standard condition.
Thanks. Would the applicant come forward? Would you just state your
name for us? Do you have anything to add to the presentation?
No Ma'am. I am Vance Copher.
At this time I will open it up to public comment for LSP 03-46.00, is there
anyone in the audience who would like to address the Lot Split? Seeing
none, I will bring it back to the Commissioners. Can we have a report
from Subdivision Committee? Did this go to Subdivision Committee?
Yes it did. The applicant was unable to attend the Subdivision Committee
meeting so we debated whether to return it to Subdivision or to forward it
to the full Planning Commission. In order to save time for the applicant
we moved it forward to have everybody listen to it. As we looked at it at
the Subdivision Committee everything seemed to be in order.
Thank you. Are there any other comments or questions?
I would move for approval of LSP 03-46.00 subject to staff's conditions of
approval.
Second.
I have a motion by Commissioner Estes and a second by Commissioner
Ostner, is there anymore discussion? Renee?
Upon the completion of roll call the motion to approve LSP 03-46.00 was
approved by a vote of 8-0-0.
The motion carries eight to zero.
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PPL 03-14.00: Preliminary Plat (Newcastle Estates, pp 180) was submitted by
Milholland Company Engineering and Surveying on behalf of BMP, Inc. for property
located on Gulley Road east of Crossover Rd.. The property is located in the Planning
Area and contains approximately 13.23 acres with 10 lots proposed.
Hoover: Item number two is PPL 03-14.00 for New Castle Estates. Suzanne?
Morgan: This request is for a 13.23 acre residential subdivision with ten lots
ranging in size from 1.12 acres to 1.64 acres. Lots will be single-family
residential in nature and the property is in the Planning Area and the
surrounding land use is single-family residential. Water will be extended
and each lot will have a septic system. A letter of approval from the
Washington County Health Department is included in your packet. The
northern portion of the property is bordered by Gulley Road which is a
principal arterial at 110'. The applicant is indicating a 55' right of way
which is compliant with the Master Street Plan. Gulley Road will be
improved to Washington County standards. Butterfield Road, a planned
street classified as a minor arterial, runs through the west of the property
requiring 90' of right of way. In 2002 a parcel south of this lot dedicated a
45' right of way from centerline for Butterfield Road approximately 200'
from where the Master Street Plan indicated it should be. The applicant
for this proposal is also indicating a 45' right of way approximately 200'
from where the Master Street Plan indicates so that it will potentially
connect to the dedication to the south. Staff is in support of this request.
The proposed Castle Rock Drive will be built to 28' with curb and gutter.
Staff recommends approval of the proposed Preliminary Plat subject to the
following conditions: All street names shall be approved by the 9-1-1
Coordinator. 2) Proposed right-of-way shall be dedicated with the Final
Plat. 3) Access to lots 1, 6, 7, and 9 shall be restricted to interior streets.
Items four and five are standard conditions of approval. Staff has received
signed conditions of approval from the applicant.
Hoover: Thank you. Could the applicant come forward please?
Milholland: I am Melvin Milholland with Milholland Engineering representing the
development. We did provide the city staff with a signed copy of the
conditions totally agreeing with them. We had a meeting with the
adjoining neighbor to the west, the Gaddys who are here and they are
concerned because the house they have is so close to the property line.
We wish to request that on the right of way dedication that shows 45' on
the west side, to increase that to 70'. We would be willing to do that to
accommodate them because of the location of their house.
Hoover: I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you said, could you repeat that?
Milholland: They call it Butterfield Road right of way, we show 45' dedication along
the west side of lots 6, 7, and 8. Staff supported that because there was a
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tract just south of this one that did the same thing. What we are requesting
after discussion with our neighbor to the west and the vicinity to their
home the concern they had to the property line we would be willing to
make that instead of 45', make it 70' to accommodate them and they are in
concurrence with this. That would assist them being comfortable with the
location. Otherwise, we concur with all of the other conditions that were
signed off on.
Hoover: Thank you. Before we ask for public comment, could I just have staff
confirmation, is the 70' right of way ok with staff?
Warrick: Absolutely staff would agree with that. We are trying to achieve a total of
90' right of way and the right of way for this future minor arterial was
shifted to the west slightly due to previous actions that the Planning
Commission has seen a lot split that was south of this property, not
immediately south but further south. Because the 90' right of way
bisected the site, it was reasonable to shift that right of way slightly to the
west so that it could span two property lines, which is a typical activity
that we do see with Master Street Plan dealings. With that, that affected
this property which is further north, the Butterfield Road right of way did
bisect this project site. The applicant requested to, as was done with
previous actions, shift that right of way to the western property line.
There is a single-family home that is relatively close and it would be
greatly affected by a 90' right of way dedication with 45' on the west side
of that property line. This applicant has agreed to increase the dedication
on the east side of the property line to accommodate that existing single-
family home. Staff is very much in support of that.
Hoover: Thank you. At this time I would like to open it up to public comment for
this Preliminary Plat 03-14.00, Newcastle Estates. Is there any member of
the audience that would like to address this Preliminary Plat? Please come
forward.
Phillips: My name is Robert Phillips and I live at 4542 E. Gulley Road. That is
directly across Gulley on the north side from the proposed subdivision. I
am familiar with BMP Development and they build fine houses and I
don't have any objections to the people who are going to be building out
there but I do have some concerns that I'm afraid are going to directly
involve my property. I have right under five acres across the street from
them. For you to get the picture my house is just east of Hungate Road.
Hungate Road borders my property on the west side and it goes back from
Gulley Road. My first concern is that I have about a 30 or 35 year old
fishing pond sitting on the east side of my property that a lot of the kids in
the neighborhood have used for years. There is a drainage pipe that comes
right across Gulley Road. I don't know if any of you have been out three
but if you get the picture, here's the property they want to build on and I
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am below them. That whole mountain drains right through my field from
Gulley Road into the pond and out to the north of my property and I guess
down to Spring Creek or whatever creek runs out that way. I'm afraid that
if we build ten houses across the street, right now that property is heavy
brush and thickets and you can't even walk through it. That catches the
water and the toxins that are over there. If we have 10 houses with paved
roads I'm afraid that is going to pollute my pond. I am afraid that it is also
going to put a lot more water on my property than there has been before,
which is a problem. Sometimes of the year when it's wet I can't even
mow that part of the field with a rider, I have to use a push mower or a
weed eater. I am afraid of that. I am also, one of my main concerns is if
you are coming down Gulley Road going east just after you pass the
Gaddy's house there is a rise in the road. It is a sharp rise, you can't see
over it. I don't know how they are going to come out on Gulley Road
safely. I can't come out of my driveway safely. There is always a
problem there. If we have got 10 families using that entrance with no kind
of traffic control there is going to be a problem there. Another problem I
have is using 10 septic systems right across the road from me where I've
got drainage coming onto my property. I know that we're going to grow
out there, we're already growing. Most almost all of the families that live
out there have some kind of acreage, 2, 3, 4 acres and some of them 30
acres. I hate to see them build 10 houses across the street from me like
that. I wouldn't object to 4 or 5. I think ten on that property is going to
crowd the neighborhood. We all moved out there so we could be kind of
out of town. I know we are not out of town anymore. We have been there
14 years and each year we get more houses. I think having a full
subdivision across the street is going to be a detriment to the
neighborhood. That's all I have. Thank you.
Hoover: Thank you. Is there any other member of the audience who would like to
address this Preliminary Plat? Seeing none, I will bring it back to the
Commissioners. Staff, can you review with us what we can require in the
growth area as far as drainage and our subdivision regulations in the
growth area because this is not in the City of Fayetteville?
Warrick: The city has the ability to regulate division of property in the growth area
with regard to the reasonable configuration of lots and access. Our
grading and drainage ordinance does not have jurisdiction in the Planning
Area, nor do our street standards. We do not require standard city streets
on projects that are outside the city limits that do not adjoin the city limits
immediately. The county does have jurisdiction over the street section,
the street requirements as well as the drainage.
Hoover: When does this go to the county for approval?
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Warrick: It is required to be reviewed by the Planning Board after it has been heard
by the Fayetteville Planning Commission.
Hoover: Thank you.
Estes: Dawn, because we are outside the city with regard to pre -development
flows and post — development flows what are the regulations if any?
Warrick: They are not standard city regulations. I do not know what the county
requirements are but that type of technical detail has to be reviewed by the
county for their standards to be applied.
Estes:
Mr. Phillips concerns would need to be addressed in a county venue and
not here, we have no pre -development flow and post -development flow
rules and regulations that would apply because it is outside the city limits?
Is that correct?
Warrick: That is correct.
Estes: Mr. Bob Gaddy and Mr. Jeff Gaddy are in attendance may I ask if you are
satisfied with the street dedication?
Gaddy: Yes.
Milholland: In regards to Mr. Philips' concerns, contours represented approximately
'/2 of lot 9 and maybe 90% of lot 1 drains to Gulley Road which we will
pick up with curb and gutter and drainage facilities on the south side of
Gulley Road. It is not a large amount of land. We are doing everything
we can to keep the flow down. Basically we have got all trees and we
want to save as many trees as we can. We don't intend to knock out any
more trees than we have to just to construct the water line and the street.
We are having some restrictive covenants on this subdivision to make it a
real nice one to be an asset to the neighborhood. Thank you.
Hoover: Commissioners, are there any more questions or comments?
Ostner: I am wondering about the traffic on Gulley Road and the sight lines.
Dawn, is that any of our business? Is that the county's business also?
Warrick: As far as the configuration of the improvements on Gulley Road, yes.
That would have something to do with the elevation of improvements.
We didn't have comments from our Transportation Division with regard to
sight distances from this proposed intersection. That is about all I can tell
you to address that.
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Ostner:
Warrick:
Ostner:
Hoover:
Warrick:
Hoover:
Warrick:
Hoover:
MOTION:
Estes:
Hoover:
Bunch:
Hoover:
2003
Without any comments from traffic, if there is a rise to the west and this
intersection is very close to it that could present a traffic problem. One I
am concerned whether it is our jurisdiction or not or if the county is
supposed to deal with that issue.
Road construction and the requirements therein, are of the county's
jurisdiction. Our statement with regard to roads is that it will be
constructed to county standards. Street improvements Gulley Road
improved to Washington County standards. That is really what we can
require on a project that is in this location.
Thank you.
Staff, would you explain what jurisdiction we have in the growth area?
In the growth area the city has jurisdiction over the subdivision of
property. The reasonable configuration of lots and street connections and
that is basically to ensure that we can meet the intent and fulfill the Master
Street Plan and that lots aren't created in such a manner that they do not
have access to an improved street or a public water supply.
I assume that is so that if we ever did annex the property it would be in
accordance with our ordinances.
To some degree. Obviously this area will not fully be in compliance with
city standards because there are certain things that we do not require. We
do not require full subdivision regulations in the growth area. To you
point, it is so that we look at the reasonable configuration of lots so that
we are not annexing property that is really detrimentally out of the realm
of compliance when it does come into the city. We do expect that the
Planning Area is the area that will annex into the city limits of
Fayetteville.
Are there other questions or motions?
I would move for approval of PPL 03-14.00 subject to the conditions of
approval.
Would you be adding a fourth condition that the right of way is 70'
dedication? I have a motion by Commissioner Estes. Is there a second?
Would that be in excess of condition number two for the right of way?
Staff, how would you like that to be represented?
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Warrick: It can be either way. It is probably more clear that it be a separate
condition that the right of way for Butterfield Road be 70' along the
western boundary.
Bunch: I will second.
Hoover: Is everyone clear on the motion ? Is there anymore discussion?
Anthes: Was there any discussion, since we're increasing the right of way and
there is a road quite close to the termination of the cul-de-sac within this
proposed development, was there any discussion of connectivity or stub
outs to provide future access?
Warrick: What we did look at was the future condition of those lots along the
western property line. Specifically 6, 7, and 8, excuse me, not 8 but 6 and
7, that those access the interior cul-de-sac and that they do not access the
minor arterial in the future. The function of a minor arterial purpose is to
move traffic and not to have many conflicts along the way, not to have
intersections and driveways, but to make that as streamline flow of traffic
as possible. We did not look at a proposed right of way connection for a
future outlet on that. We have mainly tried to preserve the access route by
limiting those lots to interior streets for their access points.
Anthes: Thank you.
Hoover: Is there anymore discussion? Renee, would you call the roll please?
Roll Call: Upon the completion of roll call the motion to approve PPL 03-14.00 was
approved by a vote of 7-0-1 with Commissioner Anthes voting no.
Thomas: The motion carries seven to one.
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PPL 03-15.00: Preliminary Plat (Copper Ridge, pp 435) was submitted by Jorgensen
and Associates on behalf of Charles Sloan of Sloan Properties, Inc. for property located
south of Wedington Drive on Double Springs Road, north of the Owl Creek Subdivision.
The property is zoned R-0, Residential Office and contains approximately 4.32 acres.
The proposal is for a residential subdivision containing 13 lots with 12 two family
dwelling units (24 units total) proposed.
Hoover: The next item on the agenda is a Preliminary Plat for Copper Ridge, it is
PPL 03-15.00. Suzanne?
Morgan: This request is to create a subdivision of 13 lots on approximately 4.32
acres. The property is zoned R -O, Residential Office. The proposal is to
have two family dwelling units built on each of the 12 lots ranging from
.24 acres to .30 acres. The remaining lot is to function as a detention
pond. Surrounding land uses are Thoroughfare Commercial, Single -
Family Residential and Residential Agricultural. Water and sewer are to
be extended to serve this property. 45' of right of way on Double Springs
Road, which is a minor arterial, is to be dedicated. This road is also
proposed to be improved 14' from centerline with curb, gutter and
sidewalks. 50' of right of way for Copper Ridge Lane is being dedicated
and will be built to 28' with sidewalk, curb and gutter. The tree
preservation currently existing on the site is 1.82%. The required is also
1.82%. The applicant is proposing to preserve 1.02%, therefore mitigation
is required into the city's tree escrow account. Staff is recommending
approval of the proposed Preliminary Plat subject to the following
conditions: 1) Planning Commission determination of a waiver request
for a dead-end street greater than the maximum allowable 500 feet in
length. The proposal is for an approximately 672' long dead end street.
Staff is in support of this request. The street is planned to provide
connectivity to adjacent properties with future development. 2) An
assessment for the future extension of Copper Ridge Lane to the property
line in the amount of $5,500 shall be paid prior to Final Plat. 3) Proper
tree preservation measures shall be taken during construction of the
subdivision to ensure the sustained health of the existing 36" Elm tree
located at the end of the proposed street. 4) A payment of $1,575.00 will
be required to be paid into the City's Tree Escrow account at the time of
Final Plat for tree mitigation purposes. 5) Access to lots 1 and 8 shall be
restricted to interior street. 6) Right-of-way for Double Springs Road
(45' from centerline) and Copper Ridge Lane (50' total) shall be dedicated
with the Final Plat. 7) All street names shall be approved by the 9-1-1
Coordinator. 8) The applicant shall install a barricade for safety purposes
at the entrance of the detention pond prior to final plat. 9) Payment of
Park fees shall be made in the amount of $9,432 before approval of the
Final Plat. Items 10 through 13 are standard conditions of approval. Staff
has received signed conditions of approval from the applicant.
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Hoover: Thank you. Would the applicant come forward?
Brackett: Good evening, my name is Chris Brackett, I'm with Jorgensen &
Associates. We do have signed conditions of approval and we have no
problems with those. I would be happy to answer any questions you have.
Hoover: Thank you. At this time we will open it up to the public for comment on
PPL 03-15.00 for Copper Ridge. Is there anyone in the audience who
would like to address this Preliminary Plat? Please come forward, state
your name and sign the sign in sheet.
Wrobel: My name is Allen Wrobel, I live at 876 N. Double Springs Road. My
property is immediately next to this proposed Preliminary Plat.
Considering the subdivisions that are currently being built on Double
Springs Road, you know, being a very nice nature, we are just very
concerned about the quality of the duplexes that are going to be put in to
this subdivision as well as having a road immediately next to our property.
Those were basically our concerns.
Hutchins. My name is Robert Hutchins, I live at 917 Double Springs Road. They
already have a strip mall going into the corner. It is going to be dangerous
if you allow it. That's all there is to it, that's all I have to say.
Hoover: Thank you. Is there any other member of the audience that would like to
address this Preliminary Plat?
Hutchins: My name is Robert Hutchins, I live at 917 N. Double Springs Road. That
road ain't going to handle anymore than what's on there already . They
have been building there so much that you can't hardly get out on the road
now. It is taking your life in your hands to get out there and they have
already got a strip mall going up at the corner that has been approved
already. It is going to be dangerous if you allow it. That is all there is to
it. That's all I have to say.
Hoover: Thank you. Is there any other member of the audience that would like to
address this Preliminary Plat for Copper Ridge?
Wrobel, Tina: I basically would just like to second what he said. I leave in the morning
for work at 7:30 and when I pull out onto the road, onto Double Springs
from my driveway, it literally is taking my life into my hands because
people are coming off of Wedington Drive at such a high rate of speed and
my house is only a 100 yards at the very most from Wedington Drive so
they are already gaining speed going down Double Springs and there is
never a policeman to watch the traffic and see what is going on. I would
just like to second what he said as far as something definitely will have to
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be done to take care of the traffic issues we already have, especially if we
are going to be adding to it.
Hoover: Thank you. Is there any other member of the audience that would like to
address this Preliminary Plat? Seeing none, I will bring it back to the
Commission. Staff, would you give us a little more insight to the capacity
of that road and traffic conditions there?
Warrick: I think the neighbors could probably give you the best insight to the traffic
conditions. Double Springs Road is classified as a minor arterial, it does
carry traffic from Farmington to Fayetteville. Improvements have been
made recently, a new bridge was built over Owl Creek and there are
subdivisions that are being built south of this location. Adjacent to those
locations street improvements are being required and have been required.
The Owl Creek subdivision, which is immediately south of this
development, did improve Double Springs Road with curb, gutter and
storm drain. The proposed Large Scale Development for Mr. Tobin that
is located north of the subject property, when it is developed there will be
improvements installed. That was a requirement of the Planning
Commission when that Large Scale was approved not too terribly long
ago. Those improvements match the improvements proposed by this
development, 14' street section from centerline with curb, gutter and
sidewalk. These improvements come along as projects come through the
process for review. Most of these properties in this area were in the
county until recently but as these projects are developed in the city we
require that city regulations be met and that street standards be installed on
adjoining streets. In this situation, and in the last, it is important that
access is limited to interior streets so that people don't have to pull out of
driveways onto the minor arterial which hinders the capacity of that kind
of street so we have made the condition on lots one and eight that they
access the interior street only.
Hoover: Can we get a report from Subdivision?
Bunch: The only things that we touched on at Subdivision that have not been
touched on today were questions about drainage on the east end and on the
detention pond and Engineering and also Chris Brackett explained those to
the people who were questioning drainage. There has been some work
with the neighbors to modify some of the drainage techniques to make
everything mutually satisfactory. I guess Chris can enlighten us a little
more on that.
Brackett: This property currently drains to the southeast corner. There are currently
some drainage problems with that where the Owl Creek Subdivision
discharges to the east and as part of this subdivision we will make
improvements to the east to accommodate the adjoining property and the
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owner to the east. Just as far as the quality of what we're putting in here or
what is proposed, the owner proposes a 1,200 sq.ft. minimum per side of
the duplex. It will have a master suite with two smaller bedrooms. It is
not really geared towards College students which you think of mostly with
duplexes in Fayetteville. It is more geared to a nicer clientele. It will look
very nice.
Hoover: Thank you. Commissioners?
Ostner: I have a question for staff. As the build out slowly occurs along Double
Springs how can these local residents look toward more solutions to the
traffic?
Warrick: I think we have to look at development on a case by case basis. In this
particular situation this street is stubbed out to the east because there is
one large tract to the east that has future development potential that we
believe will develop. It is a matter of time to determine when that will
happen but when it does the lots within this subdivision don't have to
access Double Springs Road as their only outlet. There is an alternative in
their future that there is connectivity proposed and with each development
that we review we look for those opportunities for connectivity so we are
not looking at one street carrying all of the traffic for everybody.
Hoover: Are there any other comments or motions?
MOTION:
Ostner: I move that we approve PPL 03-15.00.
Hoover: We have a motion by Commissioner Ostner, is there a second?
Church: I will second it.
Hoover: There is a second by Commissioner Church, is there any other discussion?
Renee?
Thomas: The motion carries eight to zero.
Hoover: Thank you.
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CUP 03-20.00: Conditional Use (Station on College, pp 445) was submitted by Tony
Davis of The Benham Co. on behalf of Kevin Kuehn for property located at 867 N.
College Avenue. The property is zoned R -O, Residential Office and contains
approximately 0.69 acres. The request is to remodel the existing, previously commercial
structure to allow for 6 dwelling units on this property.
Hoover: Item four on the agenda is CUP 03-20.00 for property at 867 N. College
Avenue. Jeremy?
Pate:
Thank you Madam Chair. The property in question is zoned R -O,
Residential Office and contains approximately 0.69 acres. The request
this evening is to remodel the existing commercial structure to allow for
six dwelling units on this property. The site consists of three lots in this
zoning district, all R -O. The existing structure on the property has been
utilized in the past as Nick's Auto and Lube, a gas station and auto repair
shop. Currently the structure and site is in disrepair and vacant. The two
lots to the south of the property are an open, grassy treed hilltop with
higher elevation and surrounding area. Surrounding uses are
Thoroughfare Commercial along College Avenue and to the west, north
and south are all residential in nature. College Avenue to the east is
classified as a principal arterial requiring 55' right of way from centerline
and the other two surrounding streets, Cleburn and Pollard are both local
streets. The R -O, Residential Office zoning district allows Use Unit 26,
Multi -Family dwellings as a Conditional Use, that is why we are hearing
this as a Conditional Use tonight. The applicant is proposing to utilize the
existing structure in an adaptive reuse for multi -family residential zonings
and a detailed description from the applicant of the six unit complex is
included and I believe he is going to make a presentation tonight as well
so I will leave that to him. The existing open space to the south of the site
is to remain as greenspace, existing trees are intended to be preserved and
additional street trees added along the surrounding streets. The applicant
is also proposing to install a fence for security and safety purposes parallel
to the retaining wall that runs along College Avenue. Vehicular access to
the site will be restricted from Pollard Avenue as opposed to currently it is
accessing all three streets. Pedestrian access in the form of new 4'
sidewalks on all streets are also proposed. The applicant has proposed to
reutilize the existing sign pole with an improved sign of the same size and
character as that which is existing. This would require Board of Sign
Appeal approval for a non -conforming sign. I will go over a few findings
that staff has made with regard to this Conditional Use. First, staff finds
that granting the requested Conditional Use will not adversely affect the
public interest. This change of use will bring the subject property more
into compliance with current zoning regulations as well as provide more
compatibility with surrounding properties. The previous use of the
property for auto repair is not compatible with adjacent residential
properties and the proposed improvements to the site will also be
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beneficial to the neighborhood. Included as an addendum to your packets
tonight is one item that references this and I believe it is two emails from
the Wilson Park Neighborhood Association in support of this request.
Another finding that is to be made concerns ingress and egress to the
property particularly with reference to automotive and pedestrian safety.
As I mentioned before, access will be restricted from College Avenue.
Pedestrian access will be improved also along College Avenue. Currently
it is basically a wide open curb cut. There are no curbs and there are no
sidewalks that are very good to walk on. Again, the vehicular access will
be from Pollard Street. Parking will be provided in the rear utilizing one
way access. The parking will be screened from the street. The applicant
is also proposing to utilize an enclosed dumpster pad with access not
visible from the street. The proposal to convert this existing vacant
automobile repair business into multi -family dwelling units will make this
more compatible with adjacent properties. A reduction of paved surface,
addition of street trees on College Avenue along with the other streets, and
an adaptive reuse of this dilapidated structure will provide many benefits
to the community. The applicant has indicated again that the Wilson Park
Neighborhood Association has reviewed the proposal and is in full
support. Staff is recommending approval of the Conditional Use subject
to the following conditions: 1) Proposed sidewalks shall be constructed
pursuant to City of Fayetteville standards prior to final Certificate of
Occupancy issuance. Sidewalk location shall be coordinated with the
Sidewalk Administrator. 2) Semi -permeable pavers for parking area shall
meet City Ordinance and ADA requirements. 3) A landscape plan for
parking lots with five or more spaces shall be submitted and approved by
the Landscape Administrator. Street trees and supplemental screening to
be planted shall be shown on said plan. Approval must be obtained prior
to obtaining building permits. 4) Only trees determined to be in poor
health by the Landscape Administrator shall be removed. 5) Any change
in use in the future to the area designated as "Open Space" shall require
Conditional Use approval by the Planning Commission. 6) The dumpster
shall be screened and access not visible from the street. 7) Change in
water meter size and sanitary sewer utilization shall be evaluated to
determine compliance with impact fees. 8) Any proposed site lighting
shall be shielded and directed downward away from adjacent properties,
utilizing full cut-off fixtures. 9) Planning Commission determination of
appropriate signage to be utilized for a site in the R -O (Residential -Office)
zoning district. By right, the applicant is permitted a six-foot, four square
feet in area freestanding sign, set back 15 feet from the right-of-way or ,
by substitution, a six-foot, 16 square feet in area monument sign set back
10 feet from the right-of-way. Currently a pole sign exists on-site, with
the Nick's Auto Lube sign face to be removed. The applicant has indicated
a desire to replace this sign with one of the same size, on the same pole, to
carry through the "Station on College" concept. Approval of this option
would require Board of Sign Appeal approval to utilize an existing non-
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conforming sign. That's all I have. Thank you.
Hoover: Thank you. Would the applicant come forward?
Kuehn: Kevin Kuehn of Kuehn Enterprises. This is Tony Davis representing the
Benham Group, my engineer. I am proud and pleased to present to you
tonight the project for the renovation of Nick's Auto and Lube. Is it
alright if I get up there and talk? Briefly I will go over the project. It has
kind of been a dream project for me so far that I think I'm going to take
something that is part of the existing city and renovate it, reuse it, and turn
it into something that I think is going to be very positive for the neighbors.
The setting of the site is perfect in that I can keep the parking in the rear. I
am going to try to use grass street pavers that are real environmental
friendly. The old cars will be over here on Cleburn. The access to College,
we have cut that off so it is only pedestrian. We are going to add probably
red maples along the streets. Red is my theme. I am going to take the
existing building, paint it with red trim and add a lot of landscaping and
irrigation. I believe landscaping can make a project. The grass street
pavers and the open space that Jeremy talked about is really just a passive
space for tenants that live there. I think it is a benefit. The floor plan is
here. I have an assortment of units, six units total. There are 10
bedrooms, a 3 bedroom 2 bath studio, a studio, a studio, 2 bedroom 1 bath
and a 2 bedroom 2 bath and a loft. That back bay area has got a 16' ceiling
so I can get a loft in there. I think it is going to be a great place to live for
young professionals, it is going to be kind of techno looking. I am going to
go with a theme, stained concrete, steel joists. Light maple cabinetry so it
is very simple but elegant. Again, the architecture is great. When I
presented to the Wilson Park Association one of the ladies even said this is
the best example of the gestalt architecture so they were very pleased with
the project and it was fun presenting to them. I am here tonight to present
to you and ask for your approval.
Hoover: Thank you. Right now we will open this up to public comment, CUP 03-
20.00 for 867 N. College. Is there any member of the audience that would
like to address this project?
Kinion- I am Mark Kinion, I am the coordinator of the Wilson Park Neighborhood
Association and the developers have been very open with the neighbors in
the area. I sent out an email to our list serve on July 25th explaining the
project and I received 14 replies either by phone or email and they were all
in support of the activity. As you can see, we are taking an eye sore in our
neighborhood and developing it into a residential project so it is in line
with the mission of the Wilson Park Neighborhood Association also. It is
my hope that you will approve this Conditional Use as it is presented with
the comments from city staff. Thanks.
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Hoover:
MOTION:
Allen:
Anthes:
Hoover:
Bunch:
Davis:
Kuehn:
Davis:
Hoover:
Anthes:
Kuehn:
Thank you. Is there any other member of the audience that would like to
address this Conditional Use? Seeing none, I will bring it back to the
Commissioners for comments.
I think this project is almost too good to be true and with that I would like
to move for approval of CUP 03-20.00
I will second.
We have a motion by Commissioner Allen and a second by Commissioner
Anthes. Is there anymore discussion besides applause?
On the parking area are you going to do a cut and resloping of that
because it is pretty much a hump? I think Commissioner Ostner is more
familiar with those grass pavers that they can be used only on a reasonable
slope. That is one of my concerns that that is properly graded to
accommodate those. We've had some places in Fayetteville where they
have been used and not very successfully. If they are environmentally
friendly and are workable we would like them to have their best chance to
work.
Right here as far as that is concerned, it will be a 4:1 slope right here. It
will be less than 4:1, we'll have a 33% slope here at the driveway sloping
down so that there will be no problems getting in the vehicles like the
SUV type vehicles. The parking spots are 10x20 that are shown here so
there should not be a problem with the cars getting in and out.
Actually, the slope is in concrete the parking area is the grass pavers.
Right. The driving area is the concrete.
Are there any other questions or comments?
It looks like we need to make a finding about the signage. Do we need to
do that before the motion?
I can clarify that maybe a little bit. Nick wants to keep his sign for
memorabilia, I'm proposing to reuse the gas station support and then place
my sign in the exact spot that Nick's was on the existing post.
Kinion- The neighbors that live in the area are aware of this problem and they felt
like the pole was kind of a landmark. I don't know, to me it is a pole.
Everyone knows it is Nick's Auto. I am not sure they knew the existing
sign was leaving actually but the comment from the immediate neighbors
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was that it was a landmark and people knew how to find it, so just a
comment.
Ostner: I understand that I can't see the staff but I'm going to ask you a question.
I understand that if they simply pull the Nicks off and replace it they are
out of compliance, how far out of compliance are they?
Warrick: We have modified our sign ordinance. We do not have a provision to
perpetuate non -conforming signs in our sign ordinance anymore. The sign
does not meet the setback requirements or the size requirements for the
Residential Office zoning district.
Hoover: What are the requirements for the Residential Office zoning?
Warrick: They are listed on page 4.2 of your report. The display surface area for a
free standing sign is 4 sq.ft. with a setback of 15', no taller than 6'. If the
applicant were to choose a monument sign in the R -O District it may be
setback 10' from the street right of way.
Vaught: I have a question. On the repairs and maintenance of non -conforming
structures section that you guys also included it talked about if the cost of
the repairs or modifications were less than 10% of the cost to replace it
would not require a variance, am I reading that correctly?
Warrick: Yes.
Vaught: How does that relate in this case?
Warrick: I believe that the amount of improvement that is going to go into this site
it would benefit the applicant to have a variance to ensure compliance
because if something were to happen to the structure after it were
improved and it were damaged then it would not be able to be replaced
without a variance being granted. Now is the time to ensure that by going
through the variance process with the Board of Adjustment before the
investment is placed into the property and then left somewhat at risk. That
is why staff is recommending that they go through the variance procedure.
I also believe that the amount of improvement that is going to go into this
property probably exceeds that threshold.
Vaught: So it is a total aggregate total improvement to the whole site, not just that
one?
Warrick: That is specific to structures, that section that you were referring to.
Anthes: Because of the nature of the adaptive reuse of this project and the fact that
the neighbors have no problem with the reuse of this sign, I personally
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think that it adds to the character of the area to retain the sign and as the
second to the motion I would hope that we could allow them to go forward
to the Board of Sign Appeal to keep the remaining pole and replace the
plastic face for the sign.
Allen: That is acceptable with me.
Anthes: I do have one question though. I noticed on the rendering of the building
there are rather large numerals on the doors. Can you tell me about those?
Koehn: Those are "SUPER GRAPHICS!" No, just kidding, that would be the
address of the bay. You would live at the Station on College Bay 1 or Bay
6.
Anthes: The reason I asked that is because those large numbers could also be
indicated as signs and I wondered what other Commissioners would feel
about that.
Hoover: It wouldn't be our jurisdiction.
Warrick: There is an allowance for addresses. It is not within the development
regulations. I would have to check with our 911 Coordinator to find out if
there is a maximum size for an address to be displayed on the structure.
That would probably be the only provision that I would say we would
need to accommodate in this particular situation. We do encourage people
to put large address numbers so that structures can be easily found by
emergency services. I just need to check with the 911 Coordinator and see
if there are any problems with this proposal in that regard.
Hoover: Are there any other comments?
Bunch: If I read it correctly you are calling for a chain link fence along the
greenspace or open space on the east side of the hill. Staff, what are our
regulations on chain link fence in the R -O district?
Warrick: There is not a restriction. This is not a commercial development.
Commercial design standards where we do have specific restrictions on
fencing and setback from being behind the main structure do not apply to
this particular project. Fencing can be located on the property line. We
have no height regulation on fencing. I think this proposal is compatible
and in compliance with our ordinances.
Bunch: That was my main question is to make sure we are consistent with what
we have required of other developers.
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Warrick: We do look more specifically at commercial projects because commercial
design standards does specifically address fencing.
Davis:
This fence is not your typical 6' gray chain link fence. It will have grape
vines, it will be red and it will curve too. It will not just be a blank, gray
in -personable fence there. It will have some character to it.
Bunch: Will it have the slats stuck in it that are red?
Davis: No, the fence will not be straight either, it will be curved around the
property line.
Bunch: Is that an easy way to get out of good construction to say it is going to be
curved? I'm teasing.
Kuehn: Here is the site plan. The fence we have got is kind of meandering
through right by the retaining wall. It is red chain link with grape vines.
Bunch: Thank you.
Hoover: Is there any other discussion? Renee, would you call the roll please?
Roll Call: Upon the completion of roll call the motion to approve CUP 03-20.00 was
approved by a vote of 8-0-0.
Thomas: The motion carries eight to zero.
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CUP 03-21.00: Conditional Use (April Lee, pp 523) was submitted by April Lee for
property located at 505 Prairie Street. The property is zoned I-1, Heavy Commercial and
Light Industrial and contains approximately 0.97 acres. The request is to remodel the
existing 1 story metal building into a Single-family residence.
Hoover: Item number five on the agenda is CUP for property located at 515 Prairie
Street. Suzanne?
Morgan: The subject property is located at the southeast comer of Prairie Street
and Gregg Street. The site consists of approximately five lots with an I-1,
Heavy Commercial and Light Industrial zoning. Surrounding uses consist
of single-family, multi -family, and commercial units. For twelve years the
property in question has been used as a skateboard park for local youth.
This use was discontinued in July of 2003. Two metal buildings and a
carport exist on the property. The applicant is currently using the smaller
of the two buildings as a storage facility for frozen beverage dispensers.
The second metal building is approximately 2,700 sq.ft. expanding from
lot 22 through 24 and is being proposed as a single-family dwelling. A
gravel drive from Prairie Street is used to access this structure. The
applicant proposes to utilize the existing metal structure for a single-
family residential dwelling. The existing 2700 sq.ft. building is proposed
to undergo rehabilitation. The existing open space to the south of the site
is to currently remain as open space. The applicant proposes to remove all
debris and refuse from the property and replace the existing fence. The
applicant's request is to allow the existing 2,700 sq.ft. metal structure to
be utilized as a single-family dwelling in a Heavy Commercial and Light
Industrial zoning district. The reason you are hearing this as a Conditional
Use Permit is § 164.03 of the Development Code specifically says, "A
detached residential dwelling unit may be permitted in the I-1 zoning
district as a conditional use." This section is included in your packet.
Staff is in support of converting the existing 2700 sq.ft. structure into a
single-family dwelling unit. The result of this action will be that this
property will be more in harmony with the surrounding single-family
neighborhoods and newly remodeled Mill District. Debris and refuse will
be removed from the property creating a cleaner and safer environment.
New fencing will also provide protection and aesthetically enhance the
neighborhood. There are several findings required for Conditional Use
Permit and several of the pertinent ones that I felt needed to be addressed.
The first is concerning any potential adverse affects to the public interest.
Staff feels that Granting the requested conditional use will not adversely
affect the public interest. This change of use will bring the subject
property more into harmony with surrounding properties. The amount of
traffic and noise proposed with this request will not significantly increase
from the current and previous use of the property. Proposed
improvements to the site will also be beneficial to the neighborhood. The
second is concerning general compatibility with adjacent properties and
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other property in the district. Staff has found that the adjacent properties
consist of mixed-use, single-family residential dwelling units, and light-
industrial/commercial uses. The proposal to convert this structure into a
single-family dwelling will make this property more compatible with
adjoining properties. The other findings have been addressed in the
conditions of approval for this Conditional Use Permit for which staff is
recommending approval. The conditions of approval are as follows: 1)
Debris and refuse shall be removed from the site prior to issuance of a
building permit. 2) Appearance of site shall be maintained as a residential
lot in accordance with the City Code Chapter 95.01 (see attached). 3)
Area along the interior and exterior fence shall be cleared of debris. 4)
Current standing fence shall be replaced. 5) Complete building plans
shall be submitted to the City to secure a building permit. 6) The owner
shall either construct a sidewalk or pay money in lieu according to 171.12
to be determined by sidewalk coordinator. There is an addition that was
handed out before the meeting. It is a memo from the Sidewalk
Coordinator. In it, Mr. Rutherford has recommended money in lieu of the
sidewalk due to other pedestrian trails and the condition of that area. Staff
is in support of this recommendation and we recommend that the amount
be for $630 for a single-family dwelling. 7) Any access in addition to the
driveway on Prairie Road must me reviewed by staff prior to installation.
8) New concrete drive shall be 24 feet maximum in width and shall
comply with all driveway specifications. 9) The improved drive will
serve the industrial and single-family residential uses. 10) Applicant shall
coordinate with the Solid Waste Division for appropriate solid waste
disposal. Any solid waste container shall be shielded in accordance with
the City Code.
Hoover: Thanks, would the applicant come forward please?
Lee: Hi there, my name is April Lee and I have nothing else to add.
Hoover: Is there any member of the audience that would like to address this CUP
03-21.00? Seeing none, I will bring it back to the Commissioners and to
the applicant.
Bunch: Should we use the same lighting conditions that we had on the previous
item about the full cut off lighting since we are talking about having lights
at all four corners of the building and at entrances? Would that be
appropriate?
Warrick: Yes sir, that would be appropriate. We typically and require that all
lighting be shielded and directed downward away from any residential
areas and that they be full cutoff fixtures.
Church: Do we have signed conditions of approval?
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Morgan: No.
Hoover: Can we ask the applicant, are you in agreement with all of the conditions
of approval?
Lee: Yes.
Hoover: Are there any other comments?
Ostner: It seems like a great project and improvement for the neighborhood. My
question for the applicant is about the current standing fence should be
replaced and in this semi -industrial area we're sometimes short on
greenery and that fence is solid green. I am just wondering if that is
something you all want to do or if the city told you to do?
Lee:
It was recommended. I like the fence myself and I would like to plant
more vines to grow and cover the entire fence but I am willing to do
whatever it takes to comply.
Ostner: Thank you. My question with staff would that be would that seem ok?
Warrick: If the commission thinks that that is appropriate and compatible that is
your measure for a Conditional Use approval so we would be ok with that.
MOTION:
Ostner: I would like to make a motion that we approve CUP 03-21 and we
eliminate condition number four. There is a fence that is currently
operational and it is a down home fence, it looks like it has been there a
long time, it is covered with vines and it promotes the character of the
neighborhood.
Anthes: I will second.
Hoover: We have a motion by Commissioner Ostner and a second by
Commissioner Anthes. Is there anymore discussion?
Bunch: A question of the motioner, number four is about tree removal, is that the
on you want taken out?
Williams: No, it is a current standing fence.
Bunch: Oh, I'm sorry, I'm on the wrong one.
Hoover: Four says current standing fence shall be replaced.
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Bunch: Ok. Did you add the lighting?
Ostner: Right, on the motion I was going to add a condition of approval that all the
lighting should be fully cut off and shielded downward as city codes
require.
Lee: Not a problem.
Hoover: That is an agreement with the second?
Anthes: Yes.
Hoover: Is there anymore discussion? Renee, would you call the roll please?
Roll Call: Upon the completion of roll call the motion to approve CUP 03-21.00 was
approved by a vote of 8-0-0.
Thomas: The motion carries eight to zero.
Hoover: Dawn, can you tell us when the Dover Kohl presentation is because I
would like to invite the Commissioners to that?
Warrick: My understanding is that that will be in conjunction with agenda session
next Tuesday afternoon, agenda session is at 4:30 in room 326.
Hoover: The presentation is at 4:30?
Warrick: I will get more information out to you. I wasn't able to get an exact time.
My understanding is that it is in conjunction with agenda session because
they will be discussing the contract. It will very likely follow it though, I
don't have any information at this time. It will be sometime in the realm
of 4:30 next Tuesday afternoon but I will contact each of you and let you
know specifics.
Hoover: Does everyone know what the Dover Kohl presentation is from the
Commission?
Bunch: The Downtown Master Plan.
Hoover: Yes. We have an announcement by Commissioner Estes.
Estes: Madam Chair, may I have the privilege of the floor?
Hoover: Would you like this chair?
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Estes:
No, I've been there before. At the close of this meeting I will resign from
the Fayetteville Planning Commission. The reason for my resignation is
two weeks ago this past Saturday we put a for sale sign out in front of my
house and within 30 minutes we were showing it and within several hours
we had an offer. The closing date requires that we move fairly quickly
and the only option we have is a rent house that we own in Bentonville
and so we will be moving to Bentonville, Arkansas. I will tell you that
this has been a very difficult decision for both myself and my family, for
Patricia, John, Matthew and Sarah. I have served on this Commission
under two mayortorial administrations. I have served on this commission
under four chairs. I have served on every committee that this commission
has ever constituted. I have served as your chair, I've served as your vice
chair and I of course now serve as your senior member. It is my opinion
that service on the Fayetteville Planning Commission is one of duty and is
one of responsibility. Applicants come before this commission literally
with their hopes, their dreams, their projects and their checkbooks. To
affectively discharge the duties of a commissioner as we all know requires
time, it requires due diligence, it requires attention and it requires an
unselfish dedication of our resources. I encourage anyone who is
interested an qualified to apply for my position. Clarence Darrell spent
over half of his career representing clients without any compensation or
recompense whatsoever because they were poor and they could not pay.
They were poor and yet he realized that service to his community is a duty
that we owe as a citizen in a free republic and that we owe time to our
community if we are to preserve our community as we wish it to be
constituted and as we wish it to continue Inherent in our republican form
of government is the concept of the citizen volunteer. This applies to
boards, it applies to commissions and it applies to elected offices. The
thought is that a disposition to preserve an ability and an ability to
improve is dependent upon a fresh view and upon new talent and this
requires citizen participation. I would very much like to see an
overwhelming number of people apply for my position. To you my
colleagues say goodbye and best wishes. It has been an honor and it has
been a privilege and I thank you.
Hoover: Thank you. Have we got any comments? We really appreciate your
service Commissioner Estes and I certainly have learned a lot over the
years from serving with you and I am sure others have too. You have
been a great role model.
Ostner: You have shown me a lot on this Commission and I appreciate your
service. You've been here a lot longer than I have and I get tired of it. I
know it is a great sacrifice and I appreciate it.
Allen: I echo the same opinion. Thank you and we will miss you.
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Hoover: Are there any other announcements?
Warrick: Two things real quick. First, Commissioner Estes, I'm disappointed to see
you go but obviously it is the right thing for you and your family.
Estes: And to Bentonville.
Warrick: Will you be serving on their Commission?
Estes: No.
Warrick: We very much appreciate everything that you have done with this
commission to help in forwarding the Planning activities for the City of
Fayetteville. You have been a valuable resource to us and we very much
appreciate your service. My other announcement, you have in front of you
a flyer announcing an APA Audio Conference coming up on Wednesday,
October lst at 3:00. That will be held here in room 219 and the topic of
that audio conference is Context Sensitive Street Design. I will let you
read a little bit more about that, it is a little bit vague but it does have to do
with designing appropriate streets for your community. It looks like it will
be an interesting audio conference. These are kind of interactive programs
that we subscribe to and we encourage Planning Commissioners, Council
members, and citizens to partake in it. It is a free one hour educational
session and we all generally learn from it so we would appreciate your
attendance if you're interested.
Hoover: Thanks. I have one other announcement to remind everyone the hillside
ordinance task force is meeting tomorrow at 10:30. Everyone is invited.
We are on our next to the last meeting. If you want to have some in sight
into it please join us tomorrow at 10:30 in room 326.
Bunch: One other comment for Mr. Estes. I have had the honor of serving on
several committees and on the commission with Commissioner Estes as
well as having known him for many years from junior high and high
school and college and whatever, we go way back. I have learned a lot
from Commissioner Estes and I hope that we as fellow commissioners can
pass those lessons onto newer commissioners because the information and
the technology and techniques, methodology that we've learned from
Commissioner Estes is very valuable and deserves to be passed on and
remembered.
Hoover: Thank you. We stand adjourned.