HomeMy WebLinkAbout2002-02-14 - MinutesSUBDIVISION COMMITTEE
A regular meeting of the City of Fayetteville Subdivision Committee was held on
Thursday, February 14, 2002 at 9:00 a.m. in Room 111 of the City Administration
Building, 113 W. Mountain, Fayetteville, Arkansas.
ITEMS CONSIDERED ACTION TAKEN
LSP 02-9.00 (Lot Split, Bayles, pp 524)
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ADM 01-45.00 (Administrative Item, Skiles, pp 563)
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FPL01-8.00: Final Plat (Bridgeport Phase VI, pp 360)
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Approved
Approved
Approved
Discussion Item (Karstetter & Glass) No action
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MEMBERS PRESENT MEMBERSABSENT
Lee Ward
Sharon Hoover
Don Bunch
STAFF PRESENT STAFF ABSENT
Kim Hesse
Tim Conklin
Sara Edwards
Ron Petrie
Keith Shreve
Kim Rogers
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Ward:
Good morning, welcome to the Subdivision Committee meeting of the
Planning Commission. Today is Thursday, February 14, 2002. Sharon,
have you done anything for your sweetheart?
Hoover: Tim, for the record has brought some sweet hearts.
Ward: We have three items on the agenda this morning so we will get to those.
LSP 02-9.00: Lot Split (Bayles, pp 524) was submitted by Katona Bayles for property
located at 431 E. 6th Street. The property is zoned R-2, Medium Density Residential and
contains approximately 0.44 acres. The request is to split into two tracts of 0.191 acres
and 0.193 acres with.056 acres of right of way dedication.
Ward:
Number one is a lot split submitted by Katona Bayles for property located
at 431E. 6th Street. The property is zoned R-2, Medium Density
Residential and contains approximately 0.44 acres. The request is to split
into two tracts of 0.191 acres and 0.193 acres with.056 acres of right of
way dedicated. Tim, what do you have on this?
Conklin: This item went to Plat Review on January 31n. The proposed lot split is
located on the south side of E. Sixth Street between Wood Ave. and east
of Willow Ave. on the west. The property is a through lot, meaning it has
two fronts, between Sixth and Seventh Street. The proposed lot split will
leave tract A with access to Sixth Street and tract B with access onto
Seventh Street. The Master Street Plan shows Sixth Street as a historic
collector and Seventh Street as a local street. Both street classifications
require 25' street right-of-way from centerline be dedicated. The
properties to the north, south, east and west are zoned R-2, Medium
Density Residential. We are asking that this be approved at the
Subdivision Committee level. The only condition is payment of parks fees
for $470. That is a condition that we are going to discuss. The rest are
standard conditions of approval, that is all I have.
Ward: Ok, thank you.
Petrie:
I just want to point out one thing that most of the utilities at Plat Review,
requested a 20' utility easement off of Sixth Street and Seventh Street and
you need to get that added to the plat.
Bayles: I am not going to give it to them.
Ward: Go back over that one more time.
Bayles: Utilities requested a 20' easement on top of the 25' easement I gave and I
don't see why they need that easement.
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Edwards: May I make a comment?
Ward: Sure.
Edwards: The utilities did not need an easement to serve this project, they just
wanted it for future use so I felt like it was a little unfair to ask for that
much of an easement on his property and I told him that I did not think he
needed to give that.
Bunch: Are the existing utilities in the right-of-way since this is an older one
before the utilities started the practice of locating them outside?
Edwards: Yes, and they have no plans of relocating them in this area right now.
Ward: Ok, thanks Ron. Keith, are there any comments from Sidewalks?
Shreve: No comments.
Ward: Ok. At this time I will bring it to the applicant, are you Mr. Bayles?
Bayles: Yes Sir.
Ward: Our condition is that you will have to pay a parks fee of $470. When is
that due?
Conklin: That is at the time of the building permit.
Ward:
At the time of a building permit so I guess on tract B, when that lot gets
ready to be built on whoever is going to get the building permit will pay
the $470 in parks fees. That parks fee is just like we have a subdivision
coming up in a few minutes, Bridgeport, it has 27 lots and it has to pay the
$470 per lot.
Bayles: Where is that money going?
Conklin: The city is divided into four quadrants and there is a formula they use for
how much parkland the citizens of Fayetteville need based on population.
Every time we add another lot or single family home, the formula is .025
acres of land dedication or money in lieu of land dedication. We are not
asking for land dedication with something this small. We don't want a
small park on your lot there. It is a formula; it is based on the cost of land
in Fayetteville. The money will be collected, it will have to be expended
within a certain number of years within that southeast quadrant of the city
to go for improvements or purchase of land.
Bayles: Ok.
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Ward:
Motion:
Are there any other comments or questions? Is there anyone that would
like to make a public comment on this particular item? Seeing none, I will
close it to the public and bring it back to the Commission.
Bunch: I move that we approve LSP 02-9.00 at this level and note that there are no
utility easements shown on the plat because the utilities are already
located in the right-of-way.
Hoover: I will second.
Ward: I will concur. Thank you Mr. Bayles.
Bayles: Thank you.
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ADM 01-45.00: Administrative Item (Skiles, pp 563) was submitted by Cherry Pearson
on behalf of South Fayetteville Community Development for property located at 1035 S.
Washington. The request is to build on a non -conforming lot of record.
Ward:
The second item on the agenda this morning is ADM 01-45 submitted by
Cherry Pearson on behalf of South Fayetteville Community Development
for property located at 1035 S. Washington. The request is to build on a
non -conforming lot of record. Who is going to handle this particular one?
Conklin- I will go ahead. This is an administrative request. It is to allow a house to
be built on a nonconforming lot of record. We are recommending that this
be approved subject to the following conditions: 1) Compliance with the
current setback requirements of the R-2 district. All required building
permits must be secured for this project. Basically, in south Fayetteville
and on the original town plat, there are quite a few lots that are
nonconforming under today's zoning ordinance. This lot is 50'x140'.
Under R-2 zoning for single family you need a minimum of 60' wide lot.
That is all that I have on this one. There are maps attached to your
agenda.
Ward: Ok, thank you. Ron, do you have any comments from Engineering?
Petrie: No Sir.
Ward: Keith?
Shreve: No.
Ward: Ok, is Cherry Pearson here? At this time I would like to open it up for
public comment. Is there anyone from the public that would like to make
a comment on this administrative item? Seeing none, I will close it to the
public and bring it back to our commission. What we are trying to do is
redevelop the old south part of town. As has been explained, all the lots in
the south part of town are pretty much nonconforming. There are a lot of
25' lots left down there if I remember right.
Conklin- Yes.
Ward: Who is community development? Where do they get the money to build
this?
Conklin: I wish someone were here to explain the program. The City of
Fayetteville, with their last project, gave the South Fayetteville
Community Development Corporation a lot. My understanding is that the
Bank of Fayetteville funded the construction of that and then our CDBG
funds, community development for the city, had some assistance on some
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of the cost of constructing that house. It is kind of a partnership with the
city and I'm not sure if the Bank of Fayetteville is doing this one or not.
We are working with some local banks to bring these homes to market.
The last one, I believe with the lot being free, helped to keep the house
price lower to make it affordable.
Ward: Ok.
Bunch: The only question that I have before we make a motion. When I drove by
it looked like they had done some grading work or placed some fill
material.
Edwards: I know that there was a house there previously and it had been removed so
that may have gone on as part of that removal.
Bunch: It looks like they removed the house and put some fill material in where
the foundation is being because that is red dirt there. Does this need to be
approved at this level?
Conklin: Yes, it can be approved at this level.
Motion:
Bunch: I move that we approve ADM 01-15 at this level.
Ward: Do I have a second?
Hoover: I'll second.
Ward: I'll concur.
Hoover: On these small lots like this why does it say nonconforming?
Conklin: We don't have any zoning district that has a lot width less than 60'.
Hoover: Unless you do a P.U.D.
Conklin: That is correct. We have all of these lots all over town on the original
town plat. We are working on a lot of stuff. In our work program, you are
going to see upcoming in the next couple of months, we still have outdoor
lighting, we did sidewalks, we did our general plan, a planned zoning
district is going to be presented to you at your next meeting.
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FPL01-8.00: Final Plat (Bridgeport Phase VI, pp 360) was submitted by Michael
Marie of Engineering Design Associates on behalf of Creekwood Hills Development,
Inc. for property located at the west end of New Bridge Road. The property is zoned R-1,
Low Density Residential and contains approximately 12.49 acres with 27 lots proposed.
Ward:
Hesse, S.:
Ward:
Hesse, S.:
The final item on the agenda is a final plat for Bridgeport Phase VI, was
submitted by Michael Marie of Engineering Design Associates on behalf
of Creekwood Hills Development, Inc. for property located at the west end
of New Bridge Road. The property is zoned R-1, Low Density Residential
and contains approximately 12.49 acres with 27 lots proposed.
I'm Steve Hesse.
Do you have any presentation to start out with?
I am just going to say that this is the sixth and final phase of Bridgeport,
27 lots, 9.3 acres I think. I believe everything is in. We have had some
issues with downstream property owners and those have all been resolved.
Really, I think we are getting very close.
Ward: Ok, so actually this is 12.49 acres?
Hesse, S.: The legal description says 9.3.
Conklin: Ok, that may be an error, I'll change that.
Ward: One or the other need to be changed. Tim, do you want to do your
comments?
Conklin: Sure. This is the final phase of Bridgeport Subdivision. This phase will
connect Fairfield subdivision to the south and Newbridge Road was
completed as a part of this phase. Newbridge Road is a collector, that is
planned to connect Sunshine Road to Rupple Road in the future. That
goes over to Fairfield subdivision, a preliminary plat that we approved
directly west of this. This can be approved at this level. Conditions to
address include a letter of credit for sidewalks of Phase II expired on
February 1, 2002. This must be renewed prior to filing the final plat.
Number two, a guarantee shall be submitted for the completion of
sidewalks in Phase VI, prior to filing the final plat. Number three, street
lights need to be installed for all six spaces prior to filing the final plat.
Let me just say, Mr. Hesse and their client, we have not discussed this
issue with them. We have a situation with regard to streetlights in another
subdivision. Not Bridgeport but another subdivision in Fayetteville that
streetlights did not get in and we are working on that right now. Those are
something that we do not put in as a city, the utility companies put those
in. We are asking that the streetlights be put in. You may want to discuss
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that after my report because we are changing the way we are going to do
it. We are going to require them to be put in ahead of time.
Ward: Before the final plat?
Conklin- Before the final plat is signed. We don't want to get stuck without
streetlights. There are houses in other phases of Bridgeport that are built
where the streetlights are still not in. We haven't really cracked down on
the timing of when these are installed so we are going to start doing that.
Number four, the final plat shall be forwarded to the City Council for
acceptance of streets. That will be street dedication only and we will take
care of that, getting that to council.
Ward: Ok, did you have any questions Steve?
Hesse, S.:
The only comment, I talked to Bill Helmer just a little bit ago. They are
putting streetlights right now in Phases IV and V. I think that some of the
other cities just require the payment of the streetlights. That way it is the
utility companies, it is up to them and their schedule, as long as the
developer pays for them. Maybe that is something that you would want to
consider.
Conklin: Yes, we have been doing that. It is just trying to keep up with when the
street lights are in and it is really making sure when the utility companies
are paid. It would be nice if we have houses going in. One thing that we
saw yesterday when we went out here and looked, there are houses within
the subdivision and there are no street lights right now so it is dark. I am
trying not to discuss this at this level, Subdivision Committee. I am trying
to think it through too. When is it required because those phases have
been approved for a year?
Helmer: Which phase are you talking about?
Conklin: The ones where you come across from the park. I am not sure when those
were approved but it has been a while. We have people living out there
and with no streetlights and we are trying to get a handle on the
installation.
Ward: Ok. Ron with Engineering?
Petrie: The only thing I need on this is if you can label your right-of-way down
the other street.
Hesse, S.: Ok.
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Petrie:
I think if you put it down below it will be ok. It was pointed out to me to
that you need to correct your description in your title block. The last thing
is, I just wanted to bring it up for the Commissioners, anything that was
required on the preliminary plat for the sewer assessment will be gone.
We are no longer charging that. We are preparing to refund what has been
collected and not spent because those improvements are no longer
necessary so that condition has been removed from this final plat. I just
wanted to make sure that you are aware of that.
Edwards: I just want to add that the refund is not necessarily going back to the
developer entirely. It may go back to the people who purchased lots in the
subdivision and that is the way that the ordinance reads, that the Planning
Commission will make a decision either to the developer or the lot owners
or both. I don't want to mislead you to thinking that all the money will go
back to the developer.
Ward: How soon do they have to make an application to do that.
Conklin: We are in the process of putting together a notification for all of the
property owners for all of the lots in all of these subdivisions. There are
435 and we will have a special Planning Commission meeting to deal with
all 435. You will get to make the decision of who gets the money back.
Ward: Thanks a lot.
Conklin: That is what the ordinance requires and that is what we are doing.
Hoover: What was originally required?
Conklin: Ron, can you explain that?
Petrie: The requirement for the assessment?
Hoover: Yes.
Petrie: There was very limited capacity in this Hamstring basin. Particularly the
lift station right there on the corner of Sunshine and Mount Comfort. That
one was replaced and doubled in capacity with this assessment. What has
been charged since then is to replace the forced main out of that lift station
back over to I-540. It is limited in capacity in that portion. With the new
plant though, it all goes away. We don't need it.
Hoover: Ok.
Bunch: There will still be a forced main won't there? The new plant is only
eliminating a hand full of the lift stations.
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Petrie: That is correct. That assessment was for one particular item and that is no
longer needed.
Ward: Ok, thanks Ron. Keith, are there any problems with sidewalks? Kim?
Hesse, K: No.
Ward: We know what the park assessment is on there. That is 27 lots at $470
each which is a total of $12,692.36.
Edwards: There is an extra $3.36 that was a balance due on Phase V that they are
asking for as a part of that.
Ward: I was wondering how it was off.
Conklin: I have a question. Just for the record, the gentleman that we've been
dealing with to the north with the drainage easement and the sewer line, is
he completely satisfied with the fence and the grass and the drainage?
Petrie:
He is going to have to be on the fence. If we lift up the drainage and
everything he will have to be before we will sign that. They have made an
extremely large advancement in that direction.
Helmer: Actually, Ron we did get him to sign an agreement to that affect.
Petrie: Can you give me copies?
Helmer: I will get you a copy of it.
Conklin: We have been working with that property owner from the very beginning
and they have. Issues keep on coming up. I have been out there a couple
of times and Ron Petrie has been in my office a few times. I just want to
make sure that everything is satisfied.
Ward: That is fine.
Bunch: This is where the new wooden fence came from?
Hesse, S.: Yes.
Ward: Is there any person from the public at this time that would like to make a
comment on this particular item? If not, I will close it to the public and
bring it back to the Committee.
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Bunch: I have a question. On the guarantee for completion of sidewalks, just to
refresh my memory, when do the sidewalks get built? Is it as each house
is built? Yeah, I think the developer is required to post a bond for the total
amount of the sidewalks.
Conklin- The developer is responsible. How he chooses to get those sidewalks in is
kind of up to him but he is ultimately responsible. That is why we do have
the bond. Some developers will require the builders to do it at the time of
construction. Sometimes we have a few with the sidewalks in.
Ward: Are there any other questions or comments?
Motion:
Bunch: I move that we approve FPL 01-8.00 for Bridgeport Phase VI at this level
with all conditions and rectifying the fact that it is in Washington County
instead of Benton County and to determine whether it is 12.49 or 9.3
acres.
Ward: Ok, do I have a second?
Hoover: I will second.
Ward: I will concur. Thank you. Are there any other items?
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Discussion Item (Karstetter & Glass, pp 402) was submitted by Steve Clark. The
property was heard previously as a large scale development. The applicant is requesting
an opinion on a new site design.
Conklin: Yes. Karstetter & Glass, Steve Clark, their engineer, asked if I would talk
with some of the Commissioners, to kind of get your feel on this. This has
been out there since forty-four years ago or fifty years ago. Here is the
proposal; we went on a tour and kind of showed them other areas and
talked about landscaping, we talked about the dumpsters and here is what
they have proposed. They propose to take out this concrete and provide
landscaping up front and they still want a 24' drive in the front. There is
such a short distance between the front of the building. Here is the front
of the building. They propose to screen the dumpster, still put the wooden
fence up there. The difference is the landscaping up front and to reduce
this curb cut to 24' instead of having these large curb cuts. The building is
still a metal building on the back and I know that some Commissioners
feel like commercial design standards are the building, that the building
has to change, it just can't be landscaping. They felt like it would be
better to do the improvements up front. They are asking to do the
improvements up front with regard to landscaping in lieu of changing their
building.
Edwards: Do they know if those are just shrubs or what those are?
Conklin: Those would be shrubs right there because that is a tree. It would have to
be because of site distance.
Bunch: That landscaping is going to have a tough time surviving with the traffic
and expanses of pavement around it and that sort of thing.
Ward: That is a pretty good area right there.
Bunch: We still get back to the question of that east wall. I guess that is the one
that would be the most visible on the metal siding.
Conklin: Yes and we talked about that. They can put something on it. The end
result, I'm not sure what we are going to achieve putting drivit. What you
are going to see is the top 6' or 8'. It doesn't matter if we go up half the
wall with brick or split -faced block.
Bunch: There is going to be a privacy fence there that is going to cover most of it.
The main thing is to break up that; it is not that long of an expanse but it is
obviously metal siding. If they could put some columns in or something
like cornus or a combination of the two. That would kind of break it up so
they don't have to go back and have a whole new batch of siding.
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Conklin: Ok, I will let them know.
Hoover: Is this in the overlay district?
Conklin: Yes it is in the overlay district.
Bunch: I guess eventually that the west side could be visible depending on how it
is used. We know that the east side is visible. Eventually some of the
vegetation and trees and stuff disappear on the west side and things change
up, there are not too many places where the west side is visible from are
there?
Conklin: No, not right now.
Bunch: The access road just goes back to the apartments.
Conklin: Once again, I made my speech about how many years it has been working
with them. Mrs. Glass who has lived there owns the entire site. Her
husband started the business.
Bunch: Right, but somebody else has the business now.
Conklin: Yes, they have the business now. I don't feel responsible for the delays
because they started doing this without any permits and they were caught.
Then it was zoned R-1 and you can't really do a commercial development
in an R-1. We changed the land use plan and changed the zoning.
Bunch: Was her husband still alive and active in the business when they started
this process?
Conklin: No, I don't think so.
Bunch: It is the people that are leasing or own the business or whatever, leasing
the property that did this?
Conklin: Yes. I will tell them that they need to do something on the building.
Hoover: Did we talk about before having two drives?
Conklin: I went out there and I asked them to eliminate it to just one drive and that
is what they came back with.
Hoover: What does our ordinance say within a frontage like this?
Conklin: In the overlay district it wouldn't meet any standard. However, the
Highway Department went out there and put up that continuance curb cut
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Ward:
across the front. Now they are busting up concrete that was poured two or
three years ago and putting landscaping in. It concerns me, I know we
need to widen our streets and everything but I look at some of these
businesses along Sixth Street where the Highway Department widens
these streets. It really impacts our commercial development and the
ability for those developments to comply with any of our regulations
without completely redoing their parking. Hopefully, if I was a business
owner, I don't know what kind of weight you have with the Highway
Department but they needed to pay me to redo the entire circulation of the
parking lot and to put it further back.
When you have a building right here, you've got to have a drive into here
because there is no other way to get in there. You can't most vehicles
couldn't even turn.
Bunch: With the nature of their business it is required that they go through there
unless they go to breaking out walls and put a new door in but with a body
shop that is important, they have to have access.
Conklin: Some of our biggest issues are where the Highway Department has gone
in and widened the road and we have all of these nonconforming buildings
and parking lots now and I think even parts of College Avenue you can
see it.
Bunch: Yes, most likely it was built when it was a narrow two-lane road.
Conklin: It is very difficult to deal with it because we are talking about redoing the
entire parking lot access circulation to make it work. I will get back with
them and Steve Clark and I will say that they need to do something on the
building.
Hoover: The thing is if you are asking to do that then it only comes into play if they
are doing what to their building?
Conklin: Expanding.
Hoover: Expanding the amount of square footage or any expansion?
Conklin: Any expansion in the overlay district.
Ward: They are adding a 2,400 sq.ft. building back there behind their shop is
what they are doing.
Hoover: I'm just accustomed to if you are making any change to your building you
have opened yourself up to redoing the parking lot. Where I come from,
that is a given.
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Conklin: I am dealing with some individuals that apparently didn't realize that they
needed a permit and now we are into the overlay district and large-scale
development. It has been a learning curve for everybody I guess.
Bunch: I can see where the property owner, not necessarily the new business, but
the property owner would be; when they first build that that was so far out
that there were no jurisdictions of any kind and they just did what they
needed to do for their business. There weren't that many regulations that
governed them.
Hoover: Is there still a grocery store going in across the street?
Conklin: I haven't heard anything.
Hoover: Have we approved that corner?
Conklin- We approved it for the preliminary plat.
Hoover: We haven't done any large scales.
Conklin: Marinoni is doing the Marvin's I think.
Edwards: That is off of Wedington Place.
Bunch: I thought Marvin's was over by McDonald's.
Conklin: It is.
Hoover: We haven't done anything on that corner besides the preliminary plat.
Conklin: No.
Bunch: Are they doing what they are supposed to on rerouting that creek? I was
thinking that there had been a shift on that.
Conklin: Yes, they have to contain the hundred year flows within the channel. Just
like the Boys and Girl Club too, when you relocate it and you are trying to
contain the flows the channels get large.
Hoover: What is the Marinoni property zoned?
Conklin: R-1, I will have to look.
Ward: Some of it is C-2.
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Conklin: The corner is Constine. That is not Marinoni, it was formally Marinoni.
R-1 is the 80 acres they have for sale. I will get back with them and see
what they can do.
Ward: Jazz it up on the east side. You're not going to make it like it is sitting.
Bunch: We had another metal building that got dressed up a little bit, was it the
liquor store?
Ward: The liquor store on 112.
Conklin- I showed them that, I took a tour with Steve Clark and the people from
Karstetter & Glass and showed them these buildings and this is what we
came back with on the landscaping. I probably should take them by
Morgan Hooker's building because maybe they could do some type of
covering.
Bunch: Yes, we let him use siding in the overlay district. Again though, that was
kind of buffered into the industrial area in Johnson.
Ward: Thanks.
Conklin: Thank you.