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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2000-07-19 - MinutesMINUTES OF A MEETING OF
TECHNICAL PLAT REVIEW
A regular meeting of the Technical Plat Review Committee was held on Wednesday, July 19,
2000 at 9:00 a.m. in Room 111 of the City Administration Building, 113 West Mountain,
Fayetteville, Arkansas.
ITEMS CONSIDERED
LS 00-23.00: Lot Split (Maguire, pp 600)
LS 00-24.00: Lot Split (Middlebrook, pp 140)
LS 00-25.00: Lot Split (Krueger, pp 255)
LSD 00-18.00: Large Scale Development
(L&E Equity Investments, LLC, pp 177)
LSD 00-19.00: Large Scale Development
(Bradley, pp 177)
LSD 00-20.00: Large Scale Development
(Cornerstone, pp 402)
LSD 00-21.00: Large Scale Development
(First United Presbyterian Church, pp 407)
PP 00-3.00: Preliminary Plat (Palmer, pp 572)
LSD 00-22.00: Large Scale Development
(St. Joseph Catholic Church, pp 373)
STAFF PRESENT
Tim Conklin
Sara Edwards
Ron Petrie
Kim Hesse
Chuck Rutherford
Perry Franklin
Kim Rogers
UTILITIES PRESENT
Mike Phipps, Ozark Electric
Johney Boles, Ar Western Gas
Bill Smith, Southwestern Bell
Michael Campbell, SWEPCO
Kevin Lefler, Cox Communications
ACTION TAKEN
Forward with revisions
Forward with revisions
Forward with revisions
Item pulled
Forward with revisions
Forward with revisions
Forward with revisions
Forward with revisions
Forward with revisions
STAFF ABSENT
Mickey Jackson
Cheryl Zotti
UTILITIES ABSENT
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LS 00-23.00: Lot Split (Maguire, pp 600) was submitted by Brett Maguire for property located
at 701 W. 15`h . The property is zoned R-2, Medium Density Residential and contains
approximately 0.51 acres. The request is to split into two tracts of 0.34 acres and 0.17 acres.
Conklin: We will go back to item 1 a Lot split for Maguire submitted by Brett Maguire for
property located at 701 W. 15th . The property is zoned R-2, Medium Density
Residential and contains approximately 0.51 acres. The request is to split the tract
into two lots of 0.34 acres and 0.17 acres. Brett if you want to come up to the
table and we will go over our city staff review on this item. We will start with
Sara Edwards our Development Coordinator for the city.
Edwards: 15th Street is a principal arterial on our Master Street Plan so in regards to the
sidewalk, you will need a 10 foot minimum greenspace and a 6 foot sidewalk to
be installed along 15th Street. And as you know your lot split approval will be
contingent upon the approval of your property line adjustment. Just a couple of
things we need added to this. The adjacent zoning, the plat page. We did want
the easements show that were required as part of the vacation. They are not
shown on here. The rear setback on this middle lot is incorrect. It needs to be 25
feet.
Conklin: This becomes an interior lot and not a corner lot and when we looked at our
standards it comes up to a 25 foot setback.
Maguire: What do we show now?
Conklin: We show eight.
Edwards: Eight.
Conklin: That's going to limit the size of that potential structure there.
Maguire: That's a new one on me.
Conklin: Brett, there are other issues too. Before we argue, let's go through what the street,
water and sewer requirements are going to be because I know you are concemed
about cost. I'm not sure this is going to be feasible.
Maguire: I think the sewer is the big one, Tim.
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Conklin: I'll let Sara go ahead and finish.
Edwards: On 15`h Street we do need an additional 15 feet of right-of-way to comply with the
Master Street Plan which requires 55 feet from centerline to be dedicated. At the
time of lot split it's required of everyone. Your third lot does not have the
required street frontage. By code, all R-2 lots are required to have 60 feet of street
frontage. The actual street ends right in there. What we would require is for that
street to be extended as a uniform width that is existing.
Conklin: That's about 20 feet.
Maguire: It's not much.
Edwards: We Just want it to match up with what is there already. There is a parks fee due in
the amount of $470.00 for an additional lot. That's all I have.
Petrie:
Our biggest concerns are, when creating lots that don't have any water or sewer to
feed these lots. That's one of the requirements of the city is to run these public
utilities to the lot, just like electric lines, phone lines or anything else. We've got
sewer to the north and to the south but not to this middle lot. We have water
along 15' Street but not to the other two lots. So, that's something we would
require you or any other developer to run those public utilities to these lots.
Maguire: Is that a 6 inch sewer main?
Petrie: It has to be an 8 inch.
Maguire. 8 inch. Okay.
Petrie: And the water would also have to be an 8 inch. They are minimum line size.
Maguire: I could run an 8 inch water line?
Petrie: Yes sir.
Maguire: To feed two houses?
Petrie. We have additional lots that could be developed back here. If you ran a 2 inch
then the next guy down the line would have to run another 2 inch and that's just
another way the requirements are set up to avoid that happening. That's all I've
got.
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Edwards:
Campbell:
Conklin:
Campbell:
Conklin:
Maguire.
Lefler:
Boles:
Maguire:
Boles:
Maguire:
Boles:
Conklin:
Rutherford:
Utilities?
Michael Campbell with SWEPCO. We don't have any comments on this plat.
Our overhead lines along 15' street will have to extend down this street to serve
any additional lots that are developed, along street right-of-ways. So, we don't
need any additional easements.
When you said the overhead lines will extend down will it be overhead or
underground?
Depends on what is requested.
Our ordinance requires anything less than 12KV to be underground. It will be
required to be put underground, most likely, for residential service.
So that means they will set a pedestal out there somewhere then run the service to
the house.
Kevin Lefler with Cox Communications. We have service basically the same way
as electric and we just follow them in and set a pedestal up and serve it that way
too. That's all.
Johney Boles with Arkansas Western Gas. The only request that I would have
would be 15 foot utility easement on the south on 15' Street adjacent to the
additional dedicated right-of-way. The reason for that is we have an existing line
out here and we are going to have to replace and will need a place to get it back on
private property. 15 feet would be adequate outside of the additional 15 foot
right-of-way that you are being required to dedicate.
So you want another 15 feet. Is that right?
Yes.
So it would be back here somewhere.
Just an area where we could replace that line if the situation arises and we need to.
That's all 1 have.
Any other staff members have comments on this lot split?
No comment.
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Hesse: No comment.
Franklin: No comment.
Conklin: Ron, I'm not sure if you went over with regard to the new 8 inch water line and
sewer line, would that be in the right-of-way?
Petrie:
It could be either in the right-of-way or in these lots. If it is in these lots we need
to make sure we have an easement that covers them 10 feet from the line.
Wherever it's located.
Conklin: 10 feet on each side?
Petrie: Right.
Conklin: Another question so Brett is aware, these have to be engineered. Construction
drawings have to be submitted to engineering and approved?
Petrie: Right. And your public utilities.
Maguire: I think I went through that with Mr. Jurgen.
Conklin: I wanted to be sure you understood that.
Petrie: Have you met with Dave?
Maguire: Well, when we started this he told me that.
Conklin: When are revisions due?
Edwards. Revisions are due July 25, Wednesday, by 10:00 am.
Conklin: If you have any questions, Brett, give us a call.
Edwards: If you don't want to do it for this time, we can put it on another date.
Maguire: Okay.
Conklin: Kim Rogers has one comment.
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Rogers: Kim Rogers with Parks and Recreation. I want to request that you add your
billing address on the plat.
Maguire: I'm sorry, what?
Conklin: Put your billing address on there so when our county bills you for the $470.00
park fee they know where to send it.
Maguire- Yes.
Conklin: Just have them put that information on this plat.
Rogers: When he does the other revisions.
Conklin: I think that's everything. Thanks.
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LS 00-24.00: Lot Split (Middlebrook, pp 140) was submitted by Mike & Gloria Middlebrook
for property located at 4110 N. Old Wire Road. The property is in the Planning Area and
contains approximately 3.65 acres The request is to split into two tract of 2.24 acres and 1.41
acres.
Conklin: Good morning. I'd like to start the meeting of the Technical Plat Review
Committee for Wednesday, July 19, 2000. The first item of business is LS 00-
23.00. The applicant is not here at this time so we will postpone that until the
applicant arrives. We will start with item 2 which is LS 00-24.00: Lot Split for
Middlebrook submitted by Mike & Gloria Middlebrook for property located at
4110 N. Old Wire Road. The property is in the Planning Area and contains
approximately 3.65 acres. The request is to split into two tract of 2.24 acres and
1 41 acres. I'm Tim Conklin, City Planner. Sara Edwards is our Development
Coordinator. Sara will go over our planning comments.
Edwards. You can come on up.
Conklin: Can we get your name for the record?
• Middlebrook: Mike Middlebrook.
Edwards: Here are our comments in writing. That is all of the city staff comments. That
will not include the utility comments. You may want to take notes on that.
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Conklin: Sara Edwards, our Development Coordinator, will go over the planning comments
first then we will take engineering and utilities.
Middlebrook: One thing they requested that I just got yesterday is a perk test on the lot split.
Edwards: I think I have a copy.
Middlebrook: Yes.
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Edwards: Sidewalks are not required outside of the city limits. Parks fees are not required
outside of the city limits so you are okay there. This is all in the comments so you
don't need to write this down. Plat page 140 needs to be added. I need a
corrected floodplain reference and your surveyor will know what I'm talking
about. We are requesting some additional right-of-way be dedicated so that we
can make the road an even 30 feet from centerline in width. He will know what
we are talking about. It's Just going to be about five more feet to eight more feet.
We are trying to make it uniform there so we are asking for that dedication. We
do have a permit?
Conklin: This is actually a letter indicating the results of the perk test. We would actually
like to get a copy of the actual permit when you submit your application to the
Arkansas Department of Health.
Middlebrook: I wasn't aware that I needed to do that. I'm going to try to sell that property. Do 1
need to have that done beforehand?
Conklin: We would like to make sure that the Arkansas Department of Health has approved
• a septic system on this property.
Edwards: You are requesting a variance of the 1.5 acre minimum requirement so all that
will require is complete Planning Commission approval whereas some of our lot
splits can get approval at Subdivision. I did want to let you know, as I believe
you are aware, that you have to get county approval following city approval.
Middlebrook: I have already spoken to them and they were supposed to contact your office or
send a letter.
Edwards: So the county has already approved this?
Middlebrook: Yes.
Edwards: Then we probably have that.
Middlebrook: This is a lot split from the city that they waived. They agreed and were supposed
to send a letter stating that to you.
Conklin: Had you applied to the county for a lot split?
• Middlebrook: We talked to them and said you were necessary.
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Conklin: Once you show them your plat they need to write us a letter.
Edwards: Your revisions, 37 copies, are due by Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 10:00 am.
Middlebrook: Run that by me one more time.
Edwards: 37 copies by Wednesday, July 26, 2000. Ron will go over engineering comments.
Petrie:
My name is Ron Petrie with the Engineering Department. You have a one page
comment letter in your packet. My main question, if you can help me with how
this existing house is served by water.
Middlebrook: It's just on City of Fayetteville water is what I know.
Petrie: You don't know where it's connected?
Conklin: Where the line is located?
• Middlebrook: The actual water meter is in the front pretty much straight in front of the house
closer to the road.
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Petrie:
What 1 need you to research before Subdivision is exactly where that service line
is. We have a public main that ends right here. We also have a public main that
ends 100 feet or so short of your property down here. It may be connected this
way. If it's connected this way then we need to determine if you will need some
type of easement on this lot because you would be running a line over here across
this lot. It's your private line and you need to make sure you have an easement
that covers you if you own this house or whoever owns this house will have the
right to use that public service line. That's really all I'm trying to figure out and
make sure of.
Middlebrook: Who would I need to call to find out where that connects?
Petrie: I don't think anyone from the city can help you because that was a private service
line.
Middlebrook: I'm Just trying to figure out where I need to go to find out.
Petrie: How old is that house?
Middlebrook: The house itself is around 50 years old.
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Petrie:
Middlebrook:
Petrie:
Middlebrook:
Petrie:
Middlebrook:
Petrie:
Middlebrook:
Petrie:
Middlebrook:
Petrie:
Oh, okay.
We've had it about five years.
I'm not too sure, do you know when water was run originally?
I don't have any idea
This is a fairly new line north of you. Your meter is located in this area?
Yes, in that general vicinity.
I'll leave it up to you. If you want to research it any further to make sure you are
protected Just in case it goes this way. As old as that house is, it probably has to
go that way. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say.
Yes, I understand. I'm trying to figure out how you would even find out.
The only thing I can think of is to call Arkansas One Call System. They come out
and locate all underground utilities. I'm not sure if they can locate that service
line. I really doubt they can.
I'll try that.
The only other comment, if you can verify and this is another one that may be
hard to determine but, if you can verify where that existing septic system is
located to make sure it's located entirely on this tract.
Middlebrook: It is. It's actually on the south side of the house. The septic tank sits right in here.
Petrie:
Edwards:
Campbell:
Phipps:
Okay. So there is no problem with that. That's all I have.
Utilities?
Michael Campbell with SWEPCO. No comments.
Mike Phipps with Ozark Electric. We would like between tracts A and B that 10
foot setback on each side, make 10 foot setback and utility easement. And also on
the south property line, the 20 foot building setback we would like that to be a 20
foot setback and utility easement.
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Middlebrook: That's on the east?
Boles: On the south or east?
Phipps: East, I'm sorry.
Conklin: Your 10 foot building setback between lot A and B, on each side of that line, also
needs to be noted as a utility easement. Then the 20 foot building setback shown
on the eastern boundary also needs to be added as a utility easement.
Phipps: That's all I have.
Lefler: Kevin Lefler with Cox Communications. Same comments as electric.
Boles: Johney Boles with Arkansas Western Gas. You are showing on the west property
line a 25 foot building setback and utility easement. However, you've been
required to dedicate additional right-of-way. We would like to have at least a 20
foot utility easement outside of the newly dedicated right-of-way area That's all I
have.
Edwards: Any other staff comments?
Rutherford: No comment.
Hesse: No comment.
Rogers: No comment.
Franklin: No comment.
Middlebrook: So this is what?
Boles: 20 foot outside of what is originally on the road
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Conklin:
County standards require a 60 foot easement with swells for all county roads.
You are showing 22 feet to centerline. We are requesting that from centerline you
dedicate at least up to 30 feet of right of way. Johney Boles with Arkansas
Western Gas is requesting that 20 feet of utility easement be at least granted
outside of that new right-of-way line. As we extend the right-of-way line further
to the east it's going to encroach on this 25 foot utility easement and building
setback so he wants to make sure that what ever is left is at least 20 feet wide. I
think that's everything. If you have any questions give Sara Edwards a call.
Middlebrook: Thank you.
Conklin:
Thank you.
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LS 00-25.00: Lot Split (Krueger, pp 255) was submitted by Stanley Krueger for property
located at 3169 Skillern Road. The property is zoned A-1, Agricultural and contains
approximately 5 acres. The request is to split into two tracts of 3 acres and 2 acres.
Conklin: The next item on the agenda is a Lot Split for Krueger submitted by Stanley
Krueger for property located at 3169 Skillern Road. The property is zoned A-1,
Agricultural and contains approximately 5 acres. The request is to split into two
tracts of 3 acres and 2 acres.
Fugate: I'm Ken Fugate and I'll be representing the Krueger's.
Conklin: Sara Edwards our Development Coordinator will go over our planning staff
comments at this time. You should have a copy that you can follow along with.
Edwards- This is all of the staff comments. If the utilities have any additional requests, you
don't have that in writing.
Fugate: All right.
Edwards. Skillern Road is a minor arterial requiring a minimum 10 foot greenspace with a 6
foot sidewalk and that will be required to be built. You will have parks fees
assessed in the amount of $470.00. We do have some requests to be added to this
plat. We need the adjacent zoning, Skillern Road dimensioned from centerline so
we can determine how much of existing right-of-way is there and how much
additional we need. The building setbacks need to be revised. This is zoned
agricultural which is 35 feet for the front and rear setbacks and 20 feet for the side
setbacks. You have showing 20 feet, 20 feet and 25 feet, so it's a little bit off.
We will require some additional dedication of right-of-way along Skillern Road.
We require 45 feet from centerline. I don't know what the dimension is now but
whatever it takes to bring it to 45 feet is what we will need. This lot we are
counting as a tandem lot because it does not have the required street frontage that
regular lots would have because of this property owner's association property.
So, we consider that as a tandem lot which requires a conditional use from the
Planning Commission. That application will need to be submitted by Monday
and we can take these to the same meeting. I did get a copy of all the tandem lot
requirements with this such as the driveway will be paved 25 feet in. You will
have to provide certain things for solid waste, either a turnaround or a constructed
screen for trash cans. You can read all of that in the Tandem Lot Development
regulations provided.
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Conklin: Typically the 25 foot access easement would be on this lot going onto Skillern
Drive so that is a little unusual event crossing someone else's property.
Edwards: That's what I was going to say. We do need proof in writing of the access
easement. We need the recorded easement with the property owner's association
signed. We need that prior to our Subdivision Committee meeting. All of these
revisions are due, 37 copies by Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 10:00 am.
Conklin: Do you believe that you'll have that easement approval letter, the actual easement
recorded by Subdivision Committee?
Fugate: I understand that is done right now.
Conklin: You have a POA?
Fugate: Yes. When is that subdivision committee meeting?
Edwards: It's next Thursday.
Fugate: The 27th?
Edwards- No, it's the week after that. I'm sorry. It's the Thursday after this Thursday.
Conklin: We will try to get you a date on that.
Fugate: So it is the 27'h?
Edwards: It's the next. In August. August 3rd
Conklin: With regards to the fence that is along Brookbury Crossing, is that house going to
be located behind that fence, just along that drive?
Fugate: The intention is to move that fence, take that fence down once the house is
constructed and actually reconstruct it on this property line.
Conklin: So this house will look like it's part of this subdivision?
Fugate: That's right.
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Petrie: You have my one page comment letter in there somewhere. For water, you have
public water existing on the west side of Brookbury Crossing so when you get this
access easement and it also needs to be a private utility easement giving you a
right to connect to that 8 inch sewage since you will be crossing the POA's
property with it.
Fugate: Okay.
Petrie: Does that make sense?
Fugate: Yes.
Petrie. The other comment on sewer, we would require that this residence connect to city
sewer. We like to avoid the septic systems when at all possible. There are two
options of where you could connect. The elevations and items such as that is
going to decide which way you want to go. You may have to put in a lift station
or something like that. There is an existing sewer between lots 32 and 33. It sits
right here. This is all city property so you can connect directly into it. There is
also a sewer line about 90 feet south right here that you can definitely gravity to,
although, the public main would have to be extended to the primary. Those are
the two options on your sewer if you want to look into that. The only other
comment is if you can verify that the septic system, I assume this existing house is
on septic system?
Fugate: Yes it is.
Petrie: Verify it's completely on this remaining five acres.
Fugate: Actually that was a typo. The remaining is three. The whole thing was five and
we split off two so the remaining is three
Petrie: Okay. If you can verify that that is completely on that three acres.
Fugate: Our intention, if we can work it out, is to connect that house to the public sewer
system.
Petrie: This house here?
Fugate: Yes. Across that property.
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Petrie:
Fugate:
Petrie:
Fugate:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Fugate:
What you would have to do is run the public sewer to this property line. When it
comes to sewer, state law prohibits us to run private service lines across other
people's property to a public main. The public main has to be on that property.
So, there will have to be a public main extended somewhere. Probably from here
across this lot.
And at this location, you think we have fall?
You would have fall to serve this house. It would be questionable whether you
could get this house with gravity to go into it. It would probably have to be a
little sump pump to pump it into.
Can I have a copy of that?
Yes, you can have this one. That's all I have.
If they do run that sewer line they would put a manhole up here too? Public with
an easement coming through?
Right. It would have to have a 20 foot utility easement, Tim, put on both sides of
the line which would have to be engineered. We would have to approve it and the
State Health Department would have to approve it.
That would have to be installed prior to us approving the deed for filing over at
the county?
I don't think so. What we are talking about is the existing one up there.
The existing one up there?
Yes. Because they have access now if they choose to do it.
If they didn't hook this up it would just be a private line?
Yes. The possibility is that they wouldn't have to run public if they chose to go
this way. If they chose to go this way then the public line would have to be
extended to the property line.
Okay.
If we went to this corner why wouldn't it have to be public?
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Petrie: Because you have city property in-between you so officially you have access to it
without going across somebody else's property.
Fugate: I see.
Phipps: Mike Phipps with Ozark Electric. I need you to show that utility easement, off
site easement on Brookbury Woods, on the south property line. I can't remember
if it's 10 or a 20 foot easement that we have there. Do you remember Johney?
Boles: I sure don't.
Phipps: 1 have no other comment.
Lefler: Kevin Lefler with Cox Communications, no comments. Since we have cable out
there there isn't going to be any problems.
Boles:
Johney Boles with Arkansas Western Gas. The same comment as before, Ken, if
you will just show your utility easement outside of the newly dedicated street
right-of-way which you are going to be required to dedicate. 20 feet will be
adequate. That's all I have.
Edwards: I went and got you the application. Again that is due by Monday.
Conklin: If you can't get the POA approval with the easement also that has been drawn up
and approved with regard to the platted drive and also now, utility easements to
gain access to the water, this won't go forward until we have that so it could delay
you a couple of weeks.
Fugate: I understand that is supposed to be done.
Conklin: That's it. Thank you.
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LSD 00-18.00: Large Scale Development (L&E Equity Investments, LLC, pp 177) was
submitted by Steve DeNoon of Jordan & Associates on behalf of Kirk Elsass of L & E Equity
Investments, LLC for property located on lots 5 & 6 of Millennium Place. The property is zoned
R -O, Residential Office and contains approximately 0.56 acres. The request is to build
professional offices.
Conklin: The next item on the agenda is LSD for L&E Equity Investments, LLC submitted
by Steve DeNoon of Jordan & Associates on behalf of Kirk Elsass of L & E
Equity Investments, LLC for property located on lots 5 & 6 of Millennium Place.
The property is zoned R -O, Residential Office and contains approximately 0.56
acres. The request is to build professional offices. Good morning. We will start
with Sara Edwards our Development Coordinator.
Edwards: We will start with sidewalks. Millennium Drive is a local street requiring a
minimum 6 foot greenspace with a minimum 6 foot sidewalk. Curb and gutter
lines need to be removed through the driveways. A detailed landscape plan is
required prior to building permit approval by this office. Please review off-street
parking lot ordinance for landscape requirements. A continuous planting of
shrubs will be required between the parking and the right-of-way and that is per
our ordinance. Some form of irrigation is required for new landscaping. Water
spigots placed at 100 foot radius intervals is the minimum requirement. Per the
covenants of the subdivision, 4 inch caliper trees are required at 30 foot intervals
along Millennium Drive. A 15 foot landscape buffer is required between right-of-
way and parking. Please include all applicable details and notes required for
landscape installation. See off-street parking lot landscape ordinance. Any
additional comments, Kim9
Hesse: I can get you details that I'm talking about here for landscaping.
Elsass: Just get it to Steve if you would.
Hesse: Okay.
Edwards: Each of your ADA parking spaces should be van accessible. And what he is
talking about is that you need a van accessible on the space on this side also to
access this building. You only have the van accessible from this building and you
need one also to access this building.
Conklin: You need a van accessible for each building.
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Edwards: There is one dumpster location shown. I would ask that you get with Cheryl Zotti
about the dumpster location because she did have some comments that she wanted
to talk to you about.
Elsass: Who is that?
Edwards. Cheryl Zotti in our Solid Waste Division. We do need color elevations of all four
sides of this building. Planning Commission always requests that. Please add the
adjacent zoning. Add plat page 177. Your vicinity map, I'd like to see the
subdivision listed and which lot this is. I think the Planning Commission will
need that and Millennium Drive going through there. I need you to reference
floodplain map #101 D dated July 21, 2000. You've referenced an older map. I
need the right-of-way dimension from centerline. There is currently, according to
Millennium Place, what we have approved for the final plat, there is a 20 foot
utility easement running across here and you are not showing that. Buildings can
not be located on utility easements so there's a little problem there.
Elsass: What is that now?
Edwards: There is a 20 foot utility easement.
Conklin: That was shown on the final plat. I guess, at this time Kirk and Steve, this is
going to have to be redesigned. It's going to have to come back through plat
review because it's not meeting our setbacks and not meeting the utility easement
requirements that was shown on the final plat. It's going to have to be redesigned
in order to work. But today, what I would like to do is go through staff comments
so you know what our concerns are and you can go back and redesign and
resubmit. I'm not trying to delay you or anything, but it's not matching what was
approved on your final plat and there is no way we can process this.
DeNoon: We worked off of a preliminary plat and the easement wasn't shown on that one.
Edwards: There is also a utility easement running down the center at 10 foot so we need to
show that also.
Petrie: It's not along the center it's just along that drainage pipe.
Edwards: Okay, I'm sorry. The setbacks that are shown are incorrect. In an R -O district the
rear setback is 25 feet and the front is 30 feet as long as there is no parking
between the building and the property line. It's 50 feet if you do allow parking.
That is an extra 25 feet here on setbacks and that's how we are getting that.
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Elsass:
Edwards.
Conklin:
Elsass:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Elsass:
Edwards:
Elsass:
DeNoon:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Conklin:
DeNoon:
The front is okay?
The front is off just a little bit.
There is a provision in our ordinance, and I haven't talked to you about this Sara,
in R -O if you do additional landscaping and screening you can reduce that to 25
feet. You might want to take a look at that.
We will do that. I'll put extra, we are going to put 3 trees and we are going to do
some landscaping there as well.
So, potentially that could work with additional landscaping.
The setback?
The setback reduction.
I do want you to dimension the width of the driveway. Our regulation is 24 feet
and it measured a little bit more. I would like you to locate any signs. Are you
planning on monument signs?
If we put a sign it will be a monument sign.
Okay. You will need to note where that is going to go on here. Dumpsters are
required to be screened so when you do work out that dumpster location you need
to show it with the screening on there.
We may go with the other.
The little portable dumpsters that are on wheels that they can bring out by the
street then hide them behind the building during the day.
You will need to get with Cheryl Zotti on that.
Your revisions are due Wednesday, July 26, 2000. 37 copies by 10.00 am.
On your driveway, just looking at it this morning, you may want to consider
making that 90° to the street.
There's a box right there.
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Conklin: Okay.
DeNoon: We tried to catch that before they put it in but we didn't.
Conklin: I understand. On your building design you are using brick veneer?
Elsass: Brick and block. We are going to bring you samples of that.
Conklin: I want to set up a meeting with you and the Public Works Director. We need to
finalize this and figure out what we are going to do with regard to this final plat. If
I need to take that back when we take this to Subdivision Committee with regard
to this design theme, we might have to do that. I'm still uncomfortable with the
letter I received with regards to the Design Standards. I think this building is fine.
It looks great. I need more detail, though, to use to evaluate what we are doing.
I'll get with you after this meeting and work on that.
Petrie:
You also have copies of my letter. I11 skip over some of the things that have
already been discussed. I want to make sure you are not planning on sprinklering
these buildings.
DeNoon: No.
Petrie: Okay. On the grading I need a few additional items. You have a copy of the
checklist. On the final grading plan, we need you to show all of your erosion
control. I have a question, I know this is all going to change so it really won't
matter now, but, you are showing this parking lot where the trash dumpster was
going to be and also this one building to go into this berm, you are not showing
what grading you are proposing on that. You just are not showing what you have
planned.
DeNoon: Well, there will probably be a 3 to I slope from the building. We have a swell
around the building and we are going to 3 to 1 slope back up to the top of the
berm. At that point it's like three feet difference in elevation existing. You can't
really tell it by this grading plan. The spot elevations that are on there are
incorrect too.
Petrie:
That was another comment on grading. It's really hard to tell since you have two
elevation datums shown on this plan. I really can't get a good idea of how it's
going to effect this pond.
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DeNoon:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
DeNoon:
Petrie:
Conklin:
The first floor is at 102.67 so it would be at like 102.0 at the comer of the
building. The top of the berm elevation, which is not shown on this plat, is at 103
so there is not but a foot difference between the corner of the building and the top
of the berm at that point. We will just have a slope, 3 to 1 slope up to the top.
I'm just giving you this information that we found. It's not shown on the
drawing.
Right.
Where are you concerned at, Ron?
Right here in this corner.
That building is going to be moved.
Right. So a lot of this won't apply if you are going to move it.
The building has to be moved out of this 20 foot easement.
Right. I'm Just telling you what I saw on this one.
Sure. I just wanted to make sure I understood.
On this checklist, you can just go down the items. I don't see a need to go
through all of it. There's not a whole lot anyway. For drainage, make sure you
correct that this is not a retention pond it's a detention pond. That does have an
effect on the required setbacks. Setbacks for a detention pond are 20 feet from
your 100 year water surface elevation to a building.
Do they need to show the 100 year water surface elevation on this?
Yes. It's Crafton & Tull. What's shown on the plat gives you a water surface
elevation of 1275.5 so that's what you need to make sure you are 20 feet from on
that building. I think you will be okay with that utility easement back here.
Okay.
What was submitted for the preliminary drainage was fine. We won't need any
revisions on that. Just the grading. That's all I have
Any other staff have comments?
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Rutherford: No comment.
Hesse: No comment
Rogers: No comment.
Franklin: No comment
Conklin: Would it be beneficial for the utilities to comment now or would you like to see it
redesigned and make comments later at next Plat Review?
Lefler: Personally that was our only comment, that utility easement.
Phipps: Right. That 20 foot UE. Everything else is fine.
Conklin: We will schedule this back for another Plat Review once you redesign it. Thank
you very much. Kirk, are you going to sell these buildings separately? Is that the
idea?
Elsass: Yes. There will be a share on the driveway.
Conklin: That's what I was going to ask.
Elsass: When we sell it, we will do that but right now we are going to build this building.
We wouldn't be able to sell it unless we did.
Conklin: Okay. I was going to request that an access agreement between the two properties
for that drive going in be shown. I'd rather have you show it now since it is two
properties. We don't know when the property is going to sell and we will know
for sure that we do have that access easement shown on there.
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LSD 00-19.00: Large Scale Development (Bradley, pp 177) was submitted by Don Hunnicutt
of Hunnicutt Construction on behalf of Jerry Bradley for property located on lot 1 of Millennium
Place. The property is zoned C-1, Neighborhood Commercial and contains approximately 0.75
acres. The request is to build a retail store.
Conklin: The next item is a LSD submitted by Don Hunnicutt on behalf of Jerry Bradley
for property located on lot 1 of Millennium Place. The property is zoned C-1,
Neighborhood Commercial and contains approximately 0.75 acres. The request is
to build a retail store. Good morning. I apologize I don't have you a copy of
these, but I'll make you one.
Edwards: The trails shall be shown continuous through the driveway and the curb and gutter
lines need to be removed for the trail. A detailed landscape plan is required prior
to building permit approval by this office Please review off-street parking lot
ordinance for landscape requirements. A continuous planting of shrubs will be
required between the parking and the right-of-way. Some form of irrigation is
required for new landscaping. Water spigots placed at 100 foot radius intervals is
the minimum requirement. Per the covenants of the subdivision, 4 inch caliper
trees are required at 30 foot intervals along Joyce Boulevard. Please include all
applicable details and notes required for landscape installation. See off-street
parking lot landscape ordinance. With regard to your ADA spaces, they must be
in front of the building. One must be van accessible. Also, your access ramps
will need to be relocated. Bad dumpster location. Solid waste trucks can not back
out of parking lots or they do not. She was thinking some sort of location maybe
on both properties above this drive.
Franklin: Sara, can I make a comment about the ADA spaces? Kirk, the reason that I made
that comment is that you have those three spaces in front of the building. If they
weren't there, then you could have ADA spaces across, in an aisle to it. Anytime
you have parking next to, in other words, the ADA spaces have to be the nearest
closest access like everybody else has. By virtue of those three spaces up against
the building, that's where the ADA spaces are going to have to be. That's the
reason I made that comment.
DeNoon: Those spaces are 8 x 15. That's all we could get in there.
Franklin: If I can park there, an ADA person has to be able to park there too. That's the
way the ADA act is written. That's why Wal-Mart got away from any up front
parking against the building. Now they are all across the street and all of the
ADA spaces are striped across the front of the aisles. I just wanted to tell you
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Edwards. With regards to that dumpster comment, you need to contact Cheryl Zotti. The
Fire Chief has made a comment that he would like for you to consider sprinkling.
DeNoon: The building is not required to be sprinkled by code.
Edwards: Right. He just wants to suggest that you look into it.
Conklin: He is encouraging people to sprinkler their buildings. To consider that and look at
their insurance rates and see if over time it would be beneficial to you.
Petrie: You have no plans to sprinkle?
DeNoon: No.
Edwards: We had a problem with the CD you dropped off. We couldn't read it. I don't
know if it was just a bad CD or what, but we could not read it. I do need a new
one submitted with the revisions anyway. We do want color elevations of all four
sides. We need you to add adjacent zoning. Add plat page 177. Again, I need
you to show the subdivision, lot and street in the vicinity map. I need you to
reference the more current floodplain map. I need the dimension right-of-way
from centerline and you need to show all of the easements that are being dedicated
by the Millennium Place final plat. You have 15 foot street easement.
DeNoon: That's the dedication?
Edwards: That's what we would like for it to say. Right-of-way dedication.
DeNoon: So now we need to show a 55 foot?
Conklin: 55 feet from centerline.
Edwards: Dumpsters, when you do relocate them, is required to be screened. Your revisions
are due Wednesday, July 26th by 10:00 AM. We need 37 copies.
Petrie:
For water and sewer, it appears like you will have to adjust at least one sanitary
sewer manhole. That will be completely at the developers expense. Do you know
where the existing water meter is to this lot?
DeNoon: There's a tap almost to the center of where this is.
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Petrie:
That's sewer. What about the water meter? I bring this up because we changed
that lot line when this came in as a final plat so you don't have a water meter on
this lot. That's something that will have to be corrected before we can sign the
final plat. You just need to relocate that water meter onto this lot. For grading,
you have the check list items, so I won't go over that. Just some of the highlights,
retaining walls are required to be setback five feet from property lines unless you
get written approval from the adjacent property owner. You may have to
incorporate that retaining wall into your curb. If you do that, you have two
options. You can raise that retaining wall and make it a little higher, or put in a
traffic rail through there. You don't want that traffic right up against that
retaining wall. In the north east and also the south east corners you have these
elevations tying in incorrectly. You have 100 contour tying into a 96 contour and
a 100 contour tying into a 94 contour. It looks like you will have to wrap this
retaining wall around to make this elevation grade work out. You really need to
look at that.
DeNoon: Once we get that information from Crafton & Tull on that drainage pipe that goes
in, then I know we will have to go back and refigure the grades in that area. Once
we get the size of the box and everything. This was our attempt just to show you
the direction of flow of the water and how we propose to take it. We understand
that we will have to shoot additional grades or take additional shots in this area
after we get their design.
Petrie: You will have to revise that retaining wall.
DeNoon: Right. We will be happy to get that information to you just as soon as we get it.
We are just proposing to split the flow, basically. Half north and half south.
Petrie:
That's fine if this can be designed correctly. That's one of my other comments.
The last comment on grading, the whole final plat that has a minimum finished
floor elevation for this lot shown?
DeNoon: Pardon me?
Petrie: From the final plat they show a minimum finished floor for this lot of 1263. My
question is how does that compare with the elevations you are using?
DeNoon: I'll have to go back and tie them in, probably, to that existing manhole. They
should have some permanent elevations for that by now That's our assumed
ditch mark so I'll just convert it and interpellate and see how it comes out.
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Conklin: Those elevations are designed to make sure the building is high enough over the
100 year flow?
Petrie. Right.
DeNoon: We will just get the information off of that manhole 2-1 and make sure we are
above that finished floor before we submit that to you.
Petrie:
Okay. Let me make this comment, there's a concrete swell on that north end of
this site that contains this dumpster pad location and won't effect it. I just want to
make sure that this pad is not going to interfere with that existing concrete swale.
The drainage report in regards to this pipe, when they put in this concrete swale
and everything else, we really had to study this area and how it effects the
adjacent property. By putting this into a pipe, you are damming this up. We have
to make sure we have large enough pipe to get what was originally calculated
through this lot without effecting this adjacent property. Before Subdivision, we
would like to make sure that can be done.
DeNoon: It's the same size coming in down here.
Petrie: Is it?
DeNoon: It will be.
Petrie: The one up the street wasn't designed for 100 year storm. This one will have to
be designed for 100 year storm.
Bradley:
Petrie:
Well, it's the same. It's 36 and what hits the street is what we are going to take
through.
When it floods the street it just floods the street and it spills over into this open
swell. When this floods right here, you flood the carwash. It's two different
things. So this pipe has to be bigger than the one upstream because there is no
open swell here. You blocked the whole swell. This will have to be designed for
100 year and then it will have to have some way for the water to get out of the
system into Joyce Boulevard. You need to make sure this can be done before
Subdivision, before we get into the middle of this just like we did on Millennium
and find out something won't work.
Conklin: So, this is going to handle the 100 year storm basin ultimate filled out. It's going
to be entirely coming through the parking lot underground?
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Petrie: Right. The pipe.
Bradley: So what is it handling now? This is not 100 year now?
Petrie: Yes in this open concrete ditch.
Bradley: So it spills over, that's what you are talking about. So we would have to, say if
we spill out into this parking lot, is that what you are saying? To keep from the
adjacent property owner?
Petrie: Right.
Bradley. So, we have to spill over into this area rather than over here?
Petrie: If you can get into the pipe, then you can spill over into Joyce Boulevard. That's
the way the system was designed. You can get 100 year through here. This pipe
system can only handle only so much flow and when it floods it floods here onto
Joyce and not onto the adjacent property.
Elsass: So, in other words the car wash is not properly designed?
Petrie: I'm not sure I can agree with that or not.
Bradley: It floods both of the properties if that happens. It wouldn't be just the adjacent
property?
Petrie: It wouldn't flood this property because it's four feet higher than the car wash.
Bradley: It would hit the parking lot. But I don't think it would hit there, the building is
probably lower because it's a car wash than it would be if it was an occupied
building. It's street, parking lot level, that's one reason.
Petrie:
I think it can be done, they just need to realize this needs to be designed for 100
year instead of a 10 year like the upstream pipe was. You need to make sure it
can be done before Subdivision. If for some reason it can't, that could cause a lot
of revisions
Bradley: Crafton & Tull is getting all of that. They are the ones that designed this one.
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Petrie:
Conklin:
Phipps:
Conklin:
Phipps:
Conklin:
DeNoon:
Phipps:
Petrie:
DeNoon:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Bradley:
Phipps:
Conklin:
Phipps:
They should be able to put a design on that fairly quickly. They have already got
all of the flows calculated and everything else. I wouldn't think that would be a
problem getting that designed. That's all I have.
Utilities?
Mike Phipps with Ozark Electric. Any relocation of existing utilities will be at
the developers expense. We have this dumpster in the utility easement up on top.
They will need to relocate that.
We have a 4 foot retaining wall along the east property line. We would like it to
stop short of that utility easement or conduits put under it at the northeast corner
that goes all the way to the property line.
They are showing it stopping right here.
It stops at the 20 foot setback.
That's fine.
When they get this redesigned, it will have to tie into those wing walls on that
pipe.
It will. Actually, it's going to wrap around and tie into that box.
Right. You just need to provide conduits.
So within that 20 foot utility easement you are going to have wing walls and a
culvert?
It's there now. It won't be any lower than it is now. The pipe will follow that on
through.
Up front where Bill Britt's power line is, we have a 15 foot street easement. I also
have a 15 foot utility easement north of that power line too.
On the final plat they are dedicating the right-of-way. There's a 10 foot.
We don't plan on widening Joyce any more, surely?
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Conklin:
Phipps:
Conklin:
Phipps:
Elsass:
Phipps:
Conklin:
Elsass:
Phipps:
Elsass:
Phipps:
Elsass:
Phipps:
Not in the near future. Mike, dust so I'm clear and the record is clear, when you
said you wanted some conduit back up there in the 20 foot north utility easement,
do you still want conduit up there?
Well, if we go through there. I don't think we called for it on the final, or on the
preliminary, it being that concrete drainage, but if we have to tunnel under it there
will be an extra expense when we have to tunnel down. I have to maintain 42
inches of depth with my primary. When we get to that point and I have to tunnel
through it, that will be an extra charge for that.
So, if we don't put it in today you will charge them tomorrow?
Yes. Either you can put it in or we can do it. I would need an 8 inch sleeve under
there. We probably need three 4's and one 8 inch to go under there.
Can I ask a question? Before we put that concrete swell in there, why didn't you
ask us to put that in there. Now we are asked after it's in?
I can't see the final plat. On the preliminaries.
I don't have a preliminary.
I checked all the preliminaries and there never was a mention brought up about
that until the very end.
Well the preliminary didn't show anything like it. They don't show the concrete
drainage. Same thing has happened to us everywhere we go. It's concrete. Then
we need to go under these things. When we get a preliminary we want to see if
it's going to be concrete or it's going to be tile. We want to know. I can't ask for
crossings if I don't know it's concrete. I can go through there if it's just grass
drainage but we have no idea. We all missed it telephone, gas, electric and cable.
We thought we would have no problems putting it in there.
When 1 saw that 1 went "Oh man there's no conduits under there".
Extensive costs versus putting pipe down.
Well if we can dig down and stick the hog under there you are looking like maybe
$200 instead of $400.
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Petrie: You will have to tear that concrete swale out Kirk
Bradley: Trying to leave the same drainage. It slopes down and we were just going to try
to leave it and cushion the pipe on gravel put around it.
Petrie: It wouldn't hurt you to tear it out.
Bradley: We may have to to get the head -walls in there anyway.
Petrie: It wouldn't hurt.
Bradley: Lay some conduit across the apron of the entry if we aren't going to tear it out.
Petrie: Or Just take out some strips so they can get their utilities across there.
Bradley: That could be done but we would have to put a footing down or get down lower
than the drainage to get the head -walls in.
Petrie: Probably no need. We have a four in there that you're not going to use.
Bradley: We can lay it in there. Just take it back to the property line and say that's good.
To get everything in you probably need to cross the whole easement to get enough
of them in there.
Phipps: Yes.
Bradley: You have separation from your ditches you will be digging later.
Phipps: Yeah we could lay side by side with four foot Johney?
Boles: At least.
Phipps: I have no other comments.
Conklin: So are you going to do it or are you going to wait?
Bradley: We'll get the design on this. This drainage is a bigger thing right now to look at.
Conklin: That's fine.
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Conklin:
Bradley:
Conklin:
Bradley:
Phipps:
Lefler.
Bradley:
DeNoon:
Bradley:
Phipps:
Bradley:
Phipps:
Boles:
Just want to make sure everybody is clear
If he can't get that we may have to have a 6X6 culvert through there to carry that
flow.
Then we won't have to worry about this discussion. That's fine. I just want to
make sure we are going to require a conduit or not.
We will get with the engineer from Crafton & Tull on that. We will be tearing up
this end of it one way or the other so we can probably put in sleeves.
We could do that.
Kevin Lefler with Cox Communications. The only comment that I have is we are
on this pole right here that is going to be relocated also. Depending on where that
relocates, there may be a charge for that. To have our stuff put on a new pole.
One comment, when we were getting these elevations to get the building. That
pole may not be exactly right there. We may have missed that with the drive.
What is the distance we can miss it?
How far can that pole be from the driveway?
About 2 or 3 feet?
I would really rather have it back about 8 feet.
We did this property line stake off here because it wasn't surveyed in to shoot
these elevations. And it looked like with the drive there that the radius might miss
farther out than from that pole. We will just have to survey it again.
That's all I have.
Johney Boles, Arkansas Western Gas. We have existing facilities in front of this
property. Before we would put in a conduit on the back for our company I might
say this is out of my work area. Joyce Street is our dividing line and the north
side of Joyce is in another gentlemen's work territory. Let me give you his name.
His name is Derry Birdsong. He's designed this and I think has submitted this but
I don't know what route he's chosen for the north property line. His number is
582-8631.
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Conklin: Any other staff or utility comments?
Rutherford: No comment.
Hesse: No comment.
Franklin: No comment.
Rogers: No comment.
Conklin: Just one thing with regard to ownership, we need the owner L&E Equity
Investments, LLC to sign this application. The final plat has not been recorded
yet.
Elsass: I'm the owner today but I'm selling it.
Conklin: I need the owner of record of this property today to sign this large scale
development application. If you want to come over here and sign it. I don't want
to make a big deal about it but we need a signature of the owner. Thank you Kirk.
Bradley: I thought we had the signature.
Conklin: With regard to your elevations. We need to see color elevations of the other two
sides and the back elevation. Can you kind of go over what you're proposing on
this site?
DeNoon: Right now it's a factory engineered building. We are proposing to go with dry-vit
for this exterior. The columns will be dry -vit. Dry-vit on both the east and west
sides. Possibly metal on the back, the north side. Then the little area in the
middle here that's standing seam or metal roof sloped over between the two
entrances. There are separate entrances on these. East and west. One is for the
furniture and one for the retail store. The elevations we brought are not absolutely
correct.
Conklin: This is going to be like a furniture showroom or sales?
DeNoon: Sales. Mostly antiques.
Conklin: It's not going to be warehouse. You are going to walk in and everything is for
sale?
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Bradley. It's consignment.
Conklin: It will have a retail appearance?
Bradley: Yes. That will be rented out.
Conklin: And Kirk we'll talk about this too and figure out what the common themes are.
DeNoon: I'll pick you out some samples this afternoon of the block and brick. I'll call you
first and if you have time I'll bring them up to you.
Conklin: I can see similar features. The windows that you're showing, and we can talk
about this on Friday but they have the divide lines in both the buildings? I'm just
picking out things that we may be able to use in this development. The columns,
your half circles, arches, those type of things. Just throwing that out there. We'II
work on it.
DeNoon: We don't have any masonry on that proposal
Conklin: Anything else Sara?
Edwards: No.
Conklin: Just get with me later on the Submittal.
DeNoon: Thank you.
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LSD 00-20.00: Large Scale Development (Cornerstone, pp 402) was submitted by Dave
Jorgensen of Jorgensen and Associates on behalf of Lyndy Lindsey for property located at Futrall
Drive north of Hanks Furniture. The property is zoned R-2, Medium Density Residential and
contains approximately 7.47 acres. The request is for an apartment complex.
Conklin: The next item is LSD 00-20 for Cornerstone submitted by Dave Jorgensen of
Jorgensen and Associates on behalf of Lyndy Lindsey for property located at
Futrall Drive north of Hanks Furniture. The property is zoned R-2, and contains
approximately 7.47 acres. The request is for an apartment complex. Good
morning Mr. Jorgensen.
Jorgensen:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Rutherford:
Conklin:
Rutherford:
Jorgensen:
Rutherford:
Jorgensen:
Rutherford:
Jorgensen:
Rutherford:
Good morning.
We will start with Sara.
Futrall Drive is a local street requiring a 6 foot greenspace with a minimum 6 foot
sidewalk Along the west property line a 14 foot wide access easement for a
future trail is shown.
Can I comment on that Sara? A couple of things come to mind that we talked
about yesterday in Preliminary Plat Review.
This is Chuck Rutherford our Sidewalk and Trails Coordinator.
Dave, we are showing the 14 foot up here. Would it be possible to get the 14 foot
to connect in here?
I don't see that to be a problem. There's no difference.
If we could do that it would be great. Then also, you are showing, and again, this
is a request, you are showing the sidewalk existing but you don't show a way to
get to this over here.
Okay.
Just a suggestion, you might want to look at connecting this. People coming from
here are going to have to get out in the parking lot or street to get there.
Okay. I think we could do that.
Thanks.
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Edwards:
Franklin:
Jorgensen:
Franklin:
Jorgensen:
Franklin:
Jorgensen:
Franklin:
Jorgensen:
Edwards:
Jorgensen:
Edwards:
One street light is required at the end of the street. One van accessible space is
required in front of each unit and pool. Perry wanted to elaborate on that. I'll let
him do that.
Dave, as far as the ADA goes, you calculated these ADA spaces by the number of
parking spaces that you have. In the ADA they consider this as a parking lot, this
as a parking lot, this as a parking lot, etc. Each one of these parking lots have to
have ADA spacing for this building, this building, that building, etc In other
words, you are showing some spaces down here, well this one is in front of that
building, but, let's see, this building right here, there is no ADA. It's just a ramp.
Maybe they just didn't draw the space. There's a ramp there and there and there
but there is no space. No ADA space.
Okay.
Really, it ought to be at the entrance. If you do that then you can eliminate a
bunch of these out here.
Okay.
This pool, since it's really a separate entity, and this is a useable space by
everybody, there should be an ADA space here somewhere.
Okay.
That's just a general comment, in these types of situations you can add them all
up and you come out with 10. My comment is this, the ADA considers each
separate parking lot as a different entity.
We can solve that problem.
Parks fees have been assessed at $45,000.00.
Before you go any further, this item 3, did you ask that question?
We pretty much answered that. We know it won't have another ingress, egress
Jorgensen: Okay.
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Edwards:
Jorgensen:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Jorgensen:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Jorgensen:
Edwards:
Jorgensen:
Edwards:
Petrie:
Jorgensen:
Petrie:
Jorgensen:
Petrie:
The packet includes the minutes of the Parks Board. I need adjacent zoning and
plat page 402 added. I see the sign elevation here but didn't see where it's
located. Is it on there and I'm missing it?
It's located here and here.
Okay. All utilities will be underground. Dumpsters are required to be screened.
Cheryl Zotti did have some comment with regards to her trucks being able to get
in and out. She wants a couple of these landscaped islands cut down or reduced
so they can get around.
For this one and the north parking lot.
Okay.
Is that the only one? I thought this?
Yes. She talked about this one on the south end and possibly if you can look at
your radius on the drive coming in. If you could make that turn not as sharp
somehow so she can get a truck in there.
We can cut this one here down a little bit.
I would advise you to call her and go over that.
I will do that.
That's all I have.
Dave, for the water, you show this water line to be existing along Futrall. From
what our plans show, it ends at the fire hydrant just to the north of the Hank's
driveway. The plans we have show that it ends at that fire hydrant.
I think there was a question about where we thought it ended too. We show it
going across Futrall.
We have no as -built for water and sewer.
The sewer is right there at the fire hydrant?
That's what the construction plans show. We have no as -built.
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Jorgensen:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Jorgensen:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Jorgensen:
Petrie:
Edwards:
Okay. We can find out.
For sewer, we will need Corp. of Engineer approval for the sewer that is going to
be constructed in the floodway. We need a 20 foot utility easement for the
existing sewer along the south side of the site. You may have to shift the building
a couple of feet. You don't need that building to be closer than 10 feet from the
sewer lines. I don't know if you are going to shock that sewer in, how you
located it or what. We don't have any record of that sewer line.
This one down here?
On the south side, I think we shot that in. That is actual location.
All right, we need it 10 feet. Just that one corner there. On grading we had some
minor revisions. Just real quickly, a construction entrance should be added. Cut
and tail slopes are required to be setback five feet from the property line. I think
they are right on it on the east side. You may want to look at that a little bit. You
need to label your cut and fill slopes that you are proposing. These are the
revisions we will need for preliminary plan. For drainage, the plan was
acceptable at the preliminary. If you can just provide a summary table with the
calculated flows in the report. For streets, as you are aware, Planning
Commission will have to decide the required off site improvements to Futrall.
What I've done is supplied you with information that we have on that Futrall
existing right-of-way and also what was required of Hank's. We have projected
traffic and I can provide you a copy of that. That projected traffic would require a
local street.
We are looking for street improvements to Futrall off site.
The engineering department will have to make a recommendation to the
Subdivision Committee and Planning Commission and the Planning Commission
has to make the decision. I'm really giving you the information on the right-of-
ways. If there are any outstanding issues or reasons why the 28 foot street can't
be done, we really need to know that so we can make a recommendation to the
Planning Commission.
Okay.
That's all I've got.
Kim, did you have anything to add on this?
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Hesse:
Are you going to recalculate, Dave do you know when you recalculated the
canopy percent, did you take into account the sewer main line running along the
east property line?
Jorgensen: I don't know that. I'll have to find that out.
Hesse:
Jorgensen:
Hesse:
Conklin:
Hesse:
Jorgensen:
Conklin:
Hesse:
Conklin:
Hesse:
Jorgensen:
Hesse:
Hesse:
If you would, find out about that. The tree protection fencing along the limits of
that construction, have you checked the depth of that?
I can't recall. It seems like it's about 7 feet.
I'm just curious.
Kim, if they did include it in the tree preservation calculations in the utility
easement, we will not allow that, right? Because that has to be cleared')
Right.
I don't think that they did include those knowing those have to be cleared.
And that 14 foot trail easement, I don't want to penalize you for giving us a trail
easement, but is that included in the preservation calculations? What about the
new planting?
We've been there. I think we can make it work.
Okay. That can work.
Yes. I think we can leave that tree canopy. Certainly when they clear for that
sewer there is no way. Show trees in the parking islands. Then our standard
comments on the detailed landscape plan. I will get you written comments, Dave,
later today.
That's what I was looking for.
They are not there.
Screening, I don't see any screening along that south property line next to the
houses. All of the cars are basically going to be driving right towards that house
and lose a lot of privacy. It will require some evergreen screening along that road.
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Conklin:
Hesse:
Jorgensen:
Hesse:
Jorgensen:
Hesse:
Conklin:
Hesse:
Jorgensen:
Conklin:
Jorgensen:
Edwards.
Jorgensen:
Hesse:
Is there a fence proposed? I see a wrought iron fence? It may be beneficial to put
a privacy fence if you're going to be putting a fence up. What do you think Kim?
They're showing a new wrought iron fence along that property line also. It may
be more beneficial to put a wood board fence plus landscaping.
That or, I think Lyndy likes to use pines. If you could put them in thick enough
you would get a screen in a couple of years.
The discussion I heard was the wrought iron fence with real closely spaced
evergreen. You won't see who's in there.
I have seen them do that.
Like pines.
Those work pretty good. That's basically the comments. I'll get them all to you.
The standard irrigation installation.
Kim, just so you are aware, I count 16 spaces in one of these group of parking
spaces. The fourth building to the north on the east side of the project. I counted
them there are 16. I'm not sure what you are going to recommend on that but
what is the standard 1 through 12?
1 for 15 if they go with large species. If they have the room to provide for them.
I don't know if they have the money to do that.
This is where we show 22 spaces?
No. Right up front.
Oh.
It says 14 but it counts out at 16. You need to revise your numbers right over here
on the parking requirement.
Yeah. Okay. So what you are saying is we ought to have an island in there with a
tree?
Yes.
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Conklin:
Hesse:
Conklin:
Jorgensen:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Campbell:
Jorgensen:
Campbell:
Jorgensen:
Campbell:
Jorgensen:
That's what I'm saying. I was asking Kim to make a statement on that. Kim they
are showing, for the record, 20% tree preservation. That's the idea that they will
meet the tree ordinance requirement at 20% canopy.
That's what was in their application.
Dave, you are going to recalculate that and make sure the utilities not in there?
Yes.
Okay. Ron, I'm not sure but from your comments, you mentioned the floodplain
development permit?
I think I did. I think I skipped over it. You go ahead.
Okay. Floodplain development permit for any activity in the floodplain. With
regard to your buildings, we would like you to put, I guess you do have your
finished floor elevations in there. We'll check that. I think you have our most
current data from FEMA on that. Those buildings will require floodplain
development permits. We will only issue footing foundation permits first. You
will have to establish a slab. Once the slab's poured, survey it, shoot it in, get us
those elevations and bring it back and we will sign off on the rest of the permit.
Then the new sewer line will need to be permitted also. Should we take utility
comments now?
Yes.
Michael Campbell with SWEPCO. We have an overhead single phase line that
stops at the edge of the pavement on the east side of the road. It's our intention to
dig and go underground to this development so I'm going to need a crossing from
that pole across the extension of asphalt.
Is that Futrall?
Yes sir. I think the other utilities are planning on using it too.
An east -west crossing?
Please
Okay.
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Campbell: Right now your hole is on the west side.
Jorgensen:
Conklin:
Campbell:
Conklin:
Campbell:
Conklin:
Campbell:
Conklin:
Campbell:
Phipps:
Jorgensen:
Phipps:
Jorgensen:
Phipps:
Edwards:
It's somewhere about where that big black dot at the end of 19th. On the east side.
East side. The quad crossing you're looking for will be located on this property
across that drive going east -west. That's 4"?
Right.
That's 4"?
Yes. Street lights in the development. If you want us to put them in it will be at
$1,100 plus tax. The city will pick up the labels on those.
Not on the street light.
That's right. It's a private street.
What a bargain!
We will need the information on someone to build the set up and maintenance on
those lights. We can coordinate for you the locations with the engineering
department for those buildings. There is a possibility the developer will have to
pay a contribution to native construction to start this development underground.
That will also need to be coordinated with the engineering department.
Mike Phipps, Ozark Electric This is not in my service area but I'm just looking
at the trees here. We have 25 foot utilities with setback and we are trying to
preserve a walnut tree right in middle of it. How do we do that? Right back here
in the back. This walnut tree right here.
How do you do that?
Well, yeah.
You need to arm wrestle with Kim. That's what you need to do.
That's going to be hard to do.
Did you hear the question?
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Conklin: No. I didn't hear the question.
Edwards. There is a 24 inch walnut right here in the middle of this area.
Phipps: You said to preserve it, so?
Conklin: I guess we can move the utilities around it.
Phipps: You would have to bring it around it enough to get outside that canopy and then
you are inside the sidewalk. You are putting trees in there..one, two, three or four
trees existing there now that we would need to move those around.
Conklin: Do you see that Kim9
Hesse: Yes.
Conklin: Why don't we just get easements around them? Is that a problem?
• Phipps: No. But you have to readjust the building, sidewalks, everything else.
Conklin: Well the sidewalk can go over the easement. Right?
Phipps: Yes.
Conklin: You want a conduit underneath that sidewalk?
Phipps: That would be up to SWEPCO. It's not my area. I'm just seeing this.
Conklin: Okay.
Boles: I think we need landscaping easements and utility easements separate.
Conklin: You are not going to have anything left to develop. I think we can work together.
Lefler: Kevin Lefler, Cox Communications. Same comments as the electric company. I
guess I'm concerned about the new trees that are going to be planted too, Dave. It
looks like they will be on top of all of our cables back there. Is there any way to
bring them out of that.
• Jorgensen: We are going to move those trees to the east but they will still be on the edge of
that 25 foot setback in utilities.
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Lefler:
Jorgensen:
Lefler:
Boles:
Conklin:
Boles:
If we could coordinate being on the west side as far as we can and all the trees be
on this side to try to avoid growing into the cables.
Yes.
I guess that's all I have.
Johney Boles, Arkansas Westem Gas. Dave I think we visited earlier about those
existing lines coming down Futrall. They extend due north and go right through
the middle of this complex and then it goes west underneath the Fullbright
Expressway over to Giles Road. That will have to be relocated at the owner's
expense. We would relocate it to this south and west utility easement.
Where does it go under the expressway? Is that shown on this?
I don't find on there anywhere where it's shown. If it's on there, I'm overlooking
it. It connects right up past Hank's.
Jorgensen: It kind of goes like this then it comes across
Boles:
Conklin:
Boles:
Conklin:
Smith:
Conklin:
Phipps:
It was intended to serve houses that were going to be built in the future and I
guess they never did materialize. So we will have to tie on back here.
You are going to come around this utility easement?
And tie it back in where it goes under Fullbright. That's all I have.
Does anybody have anything else?
Bill Smith, Southwestern Bell. I think I'm going to have a hard time putting gas,
electric, phone, and cable all on that easement will all those trees. May have to
move those trees a little farther from the easement.
Right. I think the agreement is to put all those trees on the eastern edge of the 25
foot utility easement and put the utilities towards the western edge. Will that
work for everybody?
It'll get around that walnut.
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Smith:
Conklin:
Smith:
Conklin:
Smith:
Conklin:
Smith:
Conklin:
Smith:
Conklin:
Smith:
Conklin:
Rogers:
Jorgensen:
Rogers:
Jorgensen:
Rogers:
Not only get around the walnut but then get down to the last building we have
those three hackberry trees. I probably want a conduit under the comer of that
parking lot going to that building. An easement going over toward the building.
You want a conduit underneath the north parking lot?
Yes.
Because of that corner?
Yes. Wherever that easement just take it directly to the building. Put a 4"
conduit under that parking lot. Also need one down in front where SWEPCO is
going to do a utility crossing at Futrall there.
There's that quad going underneath there. We need more than a quad?
No. A quad will work.
A quad will work. Okay that is what has been proposed.
We come bearing down that west edge and get to those hackberry trees. I need
something to cut across that parking lot.
Okay.
The rest looks okay.
Anything else? Kim?
Kim Rogers, Parks and Recreation. Dave, I just want to confirm, is the number of
units 120 still on those?
Yes.
Okay. Can you put that on the plat also Jorgensen's phone number and Lindsey's
phone number?
Okay.
The basketball court is missing from the original thing that went to the parks
board. I think Eric asked you about why that had been removed.
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Jorgensen: I'm not sure. It's that or the fact that we were getting so close to that floodway.
Conklin:
It's in the floodway, I believe.
Rutherford: What was the comment that Eric made yesterday?
Rogers:
Conklin:
Jorgensen:
Rogers:
Conklin:
Rogers:
Jorgensen:
Rogers:
Jorgensen:
Rogers:
Jorgensen:
Rogers:
Rutherford:
Rogers:
I talked to him briefly about it this morning and he was saying they needed to
save the trees and it was going to be under water when it floods.
Floodway and tree issue.
I think it was a combined problem right there. Do you want me to get with Eric
on it?
No. It was my question.
Is that a problem, Kim?
No. I just wanted to be able answer the question of the Parks Board, for why? If
they did come back and ask. Because that is a Parks consideration on pouring the
basketball court.
They are going to still put the court in if they can somewhere but I'm not sure
exactly where. As you can see the site is pretty well taken up.
If it does come back or there is a possibility it would, I would appreciate it.
Okay.
Another thing, regarding putting the 120 units on there, also the dedication of the
14 foot access for a future trail, I have a question about the keystone wall. How
would you get from one end to the other?
What was that now?
Chuck, did you two talk about that?
No, we haven't discussed it.
We are going to put a keystone wall here with a 14 foot access for a future trail.
I'm just curious how you are going to get across that keystone wall.
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Conklin: I think that is something the City is going to have to design.
Rogers: Okay. Also if you could put on the plat, I really need it to state that this 14 foot
access easement for the future trail is dedicated to the Sidewalks and Trails
Division please. That's all.
Jorgensen: Do you have that on a comment sheet somewhere?
Rogers: I can fax that to you.
Jorgensen: Can you do that? I appreciate it.
Conklin: Everybody done? Okay. Moving right along. Thank you Dave.
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LSD 00-21.00: Large Scale Development (First United Presbyterian Church, pp 407) was
submitted by Carter & Hodges on behalf of First United Presbyterian Church for property located
at 695 Calvin. The property is zoned R-1, Low Density Residential and contains approximately
10.33 acres. The request is to build a church.
Conklin: Next is LSD 00-21.00 for First United Presbyterian Church submitted by Carter &
Hodges on behalf of First United Presbyterian Church for property located at 695
Calvin. The property is zoned R-1, Low Density Residential and contains
approximately 10.33 acres The request is to expand an existing church and
parking lot. I'll start with Sara.
Edwards. A four foot sidewalk exists along Knox Drive and I'm assuming we are not
requesting any additional A detailed landscape plan is required prior to building
permit approval by this office. By the Landscape Administrator's office. Please
review off-street parking lot ordinance for landscape requirements. Some form of
irrigation is required for new landscaping, water spigots placed at 100 foot radius
intervals is the minimum requirement. Please include all applicable details and
notes required for landscape installation, see off-street parking lot landscape
ordinance. Please provide a written explanation for the rare trees that are to be
removed based on the plans. Some type of buffer landscaping may be required
between church and residential areas. Do you need to add anything?
Hesse:
When we get to Subdivision and we get comments from the public we'll
determine if any buffer is needed. And Kevin, remember when we talked about
some sort of written explanation?
Hodges: Yes.
Hesse: That's what I'm talking about.
Hodges: Just put it on the plans itself or use a separate page?
Hesse: A separate sheet to give to the Planning Commissioners.
Hodges: Okay.
Hesse: It's a diplomatic process deciding which trees have to be removed. We talked
about which ones were unhealthy and could be removed.
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Edwards: Just looking at this and she did make a comment to read our parking lot landscape
ordinance, I see a couple of spots here you really need islands. Because it's such
wide expanses. I need you to take a look at that. To meet our ordinance I think
you will have to upgrade.
Conklin: The entire parking lot.
Edwards: Yes.
Conklin: Anything over 45 percent?
Edwards: Yes.
Hodges: So the entire parking lot is going to have to be landscaped.
Conklin: It looks like you are pretty close.
Edwards: You are pretty close. We would like for you to move one ADA space to the new
youth building up in here so we can access that building. At least one of your
ADA spaces must be van accessible. Water supply and hydrant spacing are poor
in this area. Owners should consider sprinkler protection. Water main would
have to be extended and an additional hydrant added on the west drive parking
area near the middle of the complex.
Petrie: What the Fire Chief requested was to add a fire hydrant and extend that main to
that island right there. He recommended it being sprinkled.
Hodges: Does the main need to be extended under the parking lot or out of the parking lot?
Petrie: To get to that additional fire hydrant, the Fire Chief has requested it be a public
main. That's a 20 foot utility easement.
Edwards: We researched our files and we do not have a conditional use for a church in a
residential district so we are requiring that you go ahead and apply for one. That
application is due Monday by 10.00 am. We are having some difficulty telling, I
see where it's labeled existing and new, but we are having difficulty determining
the boundaries of what is existing and what's new. If you could find a way to
shade it. Please add adjacent zoning, add plat page 407. On Calvin, we need that
dimensioned from centerline.
Carter: It's 31.62 on the plat.
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Edwards:
Conklin:
Carter:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Hodges:
Edwards:
Hodges:
Carter:
Hodges:
Conklin:
Carter:
Conklin:
Right here?
I thought that might have been the another dimension.
And the plat page, we put plat page 407 right there.
Okay. That works. This parking is not going to work backing out into the public
right-of-way. Also, besides that, you have to have 15 feet of landscaping between
the parking and your property line on this side and over here.
On this one, Sara, probably, since this is not a public street, we need just the 5
feet. On this one you will need 15 feet under the Commercial Design Standards.
I'm very concerned about backing these parking spaces out onto Calvin Street and
eliminating that tree area. You are using public property as your aisle to get your
cars in and out.
Is there any way? Because there is the church on one side, I had talked to my
client about this and mentioned if there was any way we could not continue the
street but somehow abandon it?
Vacate?
Vacate it.
How far does the street go?
To the property line.
I'm assuming this is street right-of-way you are showing unless there is another
property owner. We typically don't allow parking lots to back their cars out into
public right-of-way. You have to figure it out, as you just mentioned. You say
that street is not needed and you vacate it and the church gets half of it and this
property owner gets half of it. Even in that case we would have to take a look at
how you are designing that. Under state law they would get half. Typically you
would have your parking lot all contained on your property with landscaping 15
feet in-between that curb and your parking lot.
15 feet of greenspace?
Yes. Landscaped area. It's not your typical situation up there either. I'm aware
of that.
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Hodges: If we do that, that's going to really mess up the parking right there.
Conklin: You would lose this row of parking.
Hodges: We will have to look at it more.
Conklin: 14 spaces.
Carter: We didn't want to put parking extending over the sewer line down there.
Although I guess it could be.
Conklin: You are going to write that letter about the trees? That 24 inch post oak
apparently has some health issues that you are eliminating? These existing trees
in this landscaped area need to be taken out? I'm not the landscape administrator.
I'm Just concerned that you have a house right here and now you have cars. Am I
reading this right? This is your edge of pavement, correct? I'm trying to figure
out if this is all asphalt out to the street?
Carter: No. That's existing. This is all green up to here.
Conklin: Then you are going to do a 20 foot aisle coming around this and back up to,
what's this thing?
Carter: I see. What we had was the curb going like this. This is an island right here.
Conklin: And this is all pavement out here.
Edwards: I drew in the lot split line.
Conklin: I really think you need to get your landscaping in there. We need to redesign this
comer, in my opinion.
Carter: What about the abandonment of Calvin?
Conklin: I can look at it. I can't give you a recommendation at this time. I can tell you that
the street vacations that I've brought through in the past year, none of them have
been approved.
Hodges: That's a pretty good indication.
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Conklin:
Hodges:
Edwards:
Hodges:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Carter:
Conklin:
Carter:
Conklin:
Edwards:
You know I have made recommendations for approval and they haven't approved
so I can't, I don't have a good track record or vacating a right-of-way. I think it
would be beneficial to the neighborhood.
I think it would be a nice as well to save those trees up in there instead of taking
those out. Keep the appearance.
Your dumpster location, I know Cheryl Zotti has some issues to face with you.
She says she is not going to able to get in and back out for that so she needs it
relocated. I just suggest you call her. I don't remember right now what exactly
she suggested but I think you need to contact her on that.
Is it because of the angle? Or do I need to just get with Cheryl?
I think it's because it's too far for them to drive. Is this an entrance drive?
No. They are eliminating that.
It's not right? Getting rid of that? She is going to want it closer. Like she was
thinking off here somewhere?
Something she can head directly straight into it.
That's our line, the edge of pavement coming down. If we can just turn it around
so it lines up with that they can pull straight into it and then they can probably
back up into here and here.
Let's put your dumpster further back away from those residences. I don't know
for sure what time they pick up that trash but I would like to just see it back not
across the street from a house. Five in the morning. You have got a lot of room.
If you can look at a different location.
We might be able to square this up and put it right in here. You are on private
property up in here and this is back out of the way, away from this residence up
here. A lot better than this I would say.
I think it would be beneficial to look into working something out with Cheryl on
that.
And I'm seeing some overhead electric.
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Hodges: That's existing.
Edwards: Do we require it underground?
Conklin: If it's under 12KB we require it to be placed underground. Who's is that?
Campbell: It's ours.
Conklin: Mike's? SWEPCO's?
Campbell: Are you talking about the portion that's affected by the expansion itself?
Conklin: How much do we have on this site?
Campbell: Basically, it extended all the way up to right here where it dead -ends then it comes
across. Which this piece here will have to come out anyway because the service
that's existing now is inside the expanded area of the new expansion.
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Campbell: We will have to at least go to here which is on the edge of the street depending on
where that street is, they go underground and serve both the existing and the new
facilities.
Conklin: Okay. That would be a requirement.
Edwards: We have got one down here as well.
Campbell: That's a light in the parking lot and I'm not sure at this time what their plans are
to do with lighting in the parking lot, if they want us to maintain that or..
Conklin: The light in the parking lot? What parking lot?
Hodges: This pole here?
Conklin: We'll have to figure out what that is. If you could let us know what you find out
on that.
Hodges: Which?
Conklin: Southeast pole.
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Campbell: More than likely it's a light also.
Conklin: There's nothing out there. Maybe a playground.
Carter. The playground is back over here. I don't know if there is lights up there or not.
Edwards. That's all I have for them.
Petrie. Real quick. Under water I have a note about fabrications. You got the Fire
Chief's comments with that additional fire hydrant. Number 2, there is an
existing 2 1/4 inch high pressure water line along Cox that will be located under
this proposed parking lot and very near this entrance. I think I have included a
copy of what our records show. You don't show it on your plan. Last page.
That's that 2/14 inch. Really cuts back to the width. Actually may have a conflict
with this drive-through or whatever it is that your planning.
Hodges: So it goes right up here across this parking lot here in front of the church? Okay.
Petrie: You may have some conflicts with one, your grading proposed for that parking lot
and also that drive-through entrance or whatever you want to call it. You need to
look into that. If you have got to relocate it, of course that's a possibility, there
shouldn't be any problems. That will be completely at their expense to relocate it.
That's the high pressure line.
Hodges: Okay. Can we get that located?
Petrie: Should be able to.
Hodges: We'll get that located and see what we need to do.
Petrie: Are there any plans for new water meters, new sewer connections or anything at
this time?
Hodges: I mean the service from the buildings to that existing sewer line over there that's
where they have been.
Carter: So we will have to show a service.
Hodges: Yes.
Petrie: You will have new?
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Carter:
Petrie:
Carter:
Hodges:
Carter:
Petrie:
Carter:
Petrie:
Carter:
Petrie:
Carter:
Petrie:
There is a service going from this manhole going somewhere to the church. There
is a new building right here so obviously there will be a new service.
Yes. Connect to it. My next comment is, is this sewer line a public line? Is that
their private line?
I guess it is. It's not on your map that I have from the City but it's a main. I don't
know if it's private or public. I don't know. I guess we need to research that a
little bit to find out if..
I assumed it was public.
I assumed it was public too. They cleared a right-of-way and ran a line down
through it.
I need to do a little bit more research. It's not showing on our maps. I have been
seeing when the original. We have files for when this originally came in. It could
possibly be in those files We need to look into that. If it is public we want to get
it up to code now and get the additional easements. 20 foot typical easements
need to be covered on that and dedicated.
Looks like it's recent. It's just now grass on that right-of-way. Looks like it may
have been done within the last year.
You won't want to make a separate connection to the public line, if it's public?
No we would just tie it to our service that runs into it.
The same thing would apply for the water. If you have a meter, of course, you
will have to pave all that over your grading. You have a copy of the checklist.
Real quickly, need to complete the application form. The one you submitted and
you signed, Glen.
Yes.
The owner has to sign this. Plus I have a new copy. This is now our new
permanent application.
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Carter: Okay.
Petrie:
It's both permits together. No questions. One other thing, I need you to add the
erosion control. If you could label your cuts and slopes on the plan. Wherever
you propose treatments of slopes and ditches etcetera. I'll let you go through that.
It's fairly modern. You can label your elevations contour line on your proposed
grade plan. It's really hard to see that and find out why the contour line and how
that's all working together. They are not labeled. The grading adjacent to the
new youth building. Under drainage. I need some additional information. When
I looked at the amount of added impervious areas on 1 and 2, I compared them to
what you got added and I went through and highlighted my copy so I could tell. I
didn't agree with the amount of impervious areas. I think one of them have next
to no additional. I think it's this one in the corner and all this. I'm asking you to
go back and recheck your numbers on impervious added areas. Plus you may add
or change this parking lot around. Add some parking lot space. Make sure you
are aware there could be some detention in this, this going back to the west. I've
looked at too many today. There could be some small detention problem for this
going back to the west. We need to see those re -computed flows before we can
make any kind of decision. Any questions or comments? That's all.
Conklin: Utilities?
Campbell: Michael Campbell with SWEPCO. We talked about earlier the electrical service
to this facility is in the planned expansion. We will need to work with the
electrical contractor up front to get that relocated and reestablish the service point
from the church before you can start the expansion. In doing that the service will
need to be underground so we will have to establish a place for a pad mount
transformer. They will need a utility easement to protect our cable from the dip
pole which will be on the north side of Calvin up to where that transformer is
located at.
Carter: Wherever it's going to be?
Campbell: Yes sir. Just need to coordinate that with our insulation department.
Carter: There entire service will have to be shut down and moved?
Campbell: That's correct.
Carter: Okay.
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Campbell:
Lefler:
Boles:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Hodges:
Conklin:
Just coordinate that with us. You will have to supply the conduit, the ditch and
the transformer pad and we will supply the transformer and the line. That's all.
Kevin Lefler, Cox Communications. I don't know if they have service with us
now or not. I know we have service out here on Calvin that comes up and stops.
But for future I would recommend that they do put some conduits in for us, for
data or modem service or whatever. We would just need to coordinate something
and get some conduits placed from wherever transformer we could come in there
and branch off there to the separate buildings. I would Just recommend that some
conduits be placed to those buildings out to wherever they are going to mount that
transformer.
Johney Boles, Arkansas Western Gas. No comment.
Anybody else? I'll be interested to get Kim's recommendation with regard to
these 2 24 inch post oaks that are planned to be removed from this parking lot.
Make sure you coordinate that with her and get her recommendation. Just wanted
to point that out.
Are we adding any metal anywhere? Is it going to all be brick matching?
I believe it's all brick. I don't think there is any metal at all. I'll verify it.
Okay. The same color brick to match what's existing out there. Thank you very
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PP 00-3.00: Preliminary Plat (Palmer, pp 572) was submitted by Carter & Hodges on behalf
of Larry Palmer for property located at 6290 Danita. The property is zoned R-1, Low Density
Residential and contains approximately 1.29 acres. The request is to build 3 lots.
Conklin: The next item is a preliminary plat 00-3.00 submitted by Carter & Hodges for
Larry Palmer 6290 Danita. Zoned R-1 contains 1.29. The request is to split the
property into a total of three lots.
Edwards: Okay. Sidewalks will be required through the driveways on Tots 2 and 3 at the
time of development. We are requiring a street light at the intersection of Danita
and Lewis Wood and 300' back on Danita.
Hodges: What back on Danita?
Edwards: 300 feet.
Hodges: Two street lights?
Edwards: Yes. There are parks fees are set at $940. A fire hydrant must also be placed at
Lewis Woods and Danita. Be sure and correct me if I'm wrong, if it's already on
here.
Hodges: It's already a fire hydrant at the intersection of Highway 16 and Lewis Woods. I
don't know the distance of that.
Petrie: You just need to contact the Fire Chief. That's his comment. If you can convince
him otherwise, feel free too.
Conklin: What's the distance again, for residential?
Edwards. 800
Hodges: Okay we will talk to him and see if he's aware of that.
Edwards. I need you to add the adjacent zoning and plat page Is it on there?
Conklin: You had that on there? Okay.
Edwards. All the utilities will be required to be placed underground.
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Conklin:
Carter:
Petrie:
Carter:
Petrie:
Hodges:
Petrie:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Phipps:
Carter:
Phipps:
Carter.
I would like to make one comment regarding Danita Street. You are showing
16.5 feet with recently paved saying that the City overlaid that. Staff is not
recommending any improvements to widen that just for these two lots. It's an
existing area that's been developed and these two additional Tots should be able to
adequately function using that street. It's two additional single family homes so
at this time we are not making any recommendations to widen that out 14 feet
from center line. Which typically we would in a developing area but since this is
pretty much developed out, this one street, we are not asking for that
improvement.
Appreciate that..
On the sewer you show a 6" sewer pipe that's going to be extended. The
minimum is 8" in Fayetteville. Will there be any grading associated with these lot
splits, I didn't see any on the grading plan. We need to refund that $200 fee that
was paid. There is Just no sense in charging that when the grading would not
apply to these.
Okay. On the sewer line, isn't that an existing six inch? We are going to tie in an
8 inch to it? Okay.
Yes. The minimum size is 8 inch.
That happened in Springdale too. Putting an 8 inch into a 6 inch, but I
understand.
That's all I've got.
Do I need to refund that or are you going to do that?
We will take care of it.
Mike Phipps, Ozark Electric. Glenn, I didn't make it out to this site. Is that
overhead power line on Danita?
I don't think it is. I think the services are underground in the back. The telephone
pole is in the back.
Yes I see the telephone pole in the back.
I was just scratching my memory trying to remember.
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Carter: I really don't but I think it's in the back. I will check that and see. I believe there
is easements back there anyway. We got a 20 foot setback.
Phipps: Yeah I saw the 20 foot building setback.
Carter: I know there is telephone poles because they. There's a gas meter in the front of
it. I'm not sure about electric. I don't remember seeing any overhead lines.
Phipps: If it is existing rear service I'm going to need a 10 foot easement on the west side
of lot 3 to access that streetlight and also on the east side of 1 to access the
streetlight at the entrance off of Lewis Woods and Danita.
Carter: Okay. If there is power right there at the intersection of Danita and Lewis do you
still need the easement?
Phipps. No. Not if I have a clear. I don't need it then. Just want to make a note that
trenches to the streetlights is $1.25 a foot plus $393 for each light. We might look
at making that utility easement in the back if it's. I probably already have one
there now since the telephones been put there. If we are through there I'm sure
it's probably a 15 foot easement. I have no other comments.
Lefler: Kevin Lefler, Cox Communications. No comments.
Boles:
Johney Boles, Arkansas Western Gas. Our existing distribution on this easement
is on the south side of the meter we can make a crossing at no charge to serve
those customers on the north side That's all I have
Carter: Appreciate it.
Edwards: I would like to say Kim did not get her comments in for this project. I believe a
new subdivision will have preservation requirements so you will need to get with
her about that.
Conklin: Is that it? Okay. Thank you very much.
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LSD 00-22.00: Large Scale Development (St. Joseph Catholic Church, pp 373) was
submitted by Cory Phillips of Freeland -Kauffman & Fredeen on behalf of St Joseph Catholic
Church located on north Starr Road The property is zoned A-1, Agricultural and contains
approximately 18.08 acres. The request is to build a church and school.
Conklin: Good morning Cory.
Phillips: Barely.
Edwards: I will start off first with Kim did not have a chance to do her comments on this
one either.
Phillips: I met with her already.
Edwards: Okay. She may just fax it to you.
Phillips: She is going to.
Edwards: Okay. Starr Road is a collector street requiring a minimum 10 foot green space
with a minimum 6 foot sidewalk. The sidewalk needs to be shown continuous
through the driveways, it needs to be shown in the legend and the driveway
purchase shall be Portland cement concrete.
Phillips:
Conklin:
Rutherford:
Conklin:
Phillips:
Conklin:
Phillips:
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We met that requirement.
You are not showing the sidewalks going through the drives though.
You show continuous in your curb and gutter lines starts and stops on this side of
the sidewalk.
When you are on the sidewalk you are never going to leave it. The driveway is
going to come up to the sidewalk. The sidewalk is going to have to come up over
the top. Okay?
Okay.
So eliminate the curbs and show continuous.
Okay.
That would be on all three.
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Phillips:
Rutherford:
Phillips:
Rutherford:
Philips:
Rutherford:
Edwards:
Phillips:
Petrie:
Edwards.
Conklin:
Edwards.
Petrie:
We show accessible ramps are you saying negate those?
That would be your choice or the contractors choice based on construction. If you
would like to remove the ramps, we require 2% above the curb line on through.
But many times that is not allowed to happen because of the elevation of the
parking lot or the driveway or whatever. The sidewalk can go down but it's still
continuous.
But we have the ramps in there is that fine? Is that what you are saying?
You still need to show the sidewalk continuous through the driveway.
Okay.
Not greater than 2 % cross -load.
Okay. Street lights are required every 300 feet. Move ADA spaced to align with
the ADA access ramp and paint access aisle. Check sight distance to the north for
the first entrance to the parking lot. Church and complex should be splinklered. A
hydrant must be added near the main entrance to the church in the nearest parking
lot island.
Is that one hydrant not close enough, right across the street?
If you have to put in the sprinklers, and this is the fire chief's comments. Does it
say it has to be sprinkled? Per code?
Should be.
Per code. Should be. Yes.
Usually he puts recommended if he doesn't require it but he is saying it's required
To put in the sprinkler system, run a fire line, you have to have a fire hydrant on
that fire line. I guess that is where he is coming from.
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Edwards: I will require color elevations of all four sides of the building. You have one for
the front. Add adjacent zoning. Please reference the correct FIRM map and you
got the number and the date there. We need a corrected legal from that provided. I
believe it was on the plan somewhere. Just wanted to remind you about that. And
Starr Road needs to be dimension from center line. You have got 60 feet so I
believe it's 30 feet from center line is what I'm assuming. And we require 35 feet
from center line to be dedicated.
Phillips: Yes. That's shown.
Conklin: You think that's shown on there?
Edwards. You think that's shown? Okay.
Conklin: I apologize. There's so many notes it gets lost. Reiterate it up and down through
there. Okay I get it. Interesting. If you measure that right-of-way from this
property line, Ron, you will get 70 feet total. But he went to center line 35 feet
out.
Petrie: Center line to the existing road.
Conklin: So we are not going to be able to achieve a total of 70 on this one because we don't
have it on this side.
Petrie: Right.
Edwards. Isn't this sidewalk usually moved out to the edge of the roadway like that though?
Phillips: I thought it was still 10 feet and then the 6.
Petrie: You get a wider section of street in there.
Conklin: We would request that the sidewalk be pushed up to the right-of-way line.
Edwards: Yes. Then you just have extra green space.
Conklin: Extra green space.
Petrie: Since you are not putting in a full width collector street.
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Edwards: Okay. You are way, way, way over on the parking as I'm sure you can tell from
Ron's note.
Phillips: Yes.
Edwards: That requires a conditional use. I know you have already got one but 1 need you to
come in and apply for another one. We need the application by Monday at 10 a.m.
Conklin: Did you talk to Janet?
Edwards: For the parking.
Conklin: Yes. I think in her description she put for both.
Edwards: Really? Okay.
Conklin: I've talked to Cory about this.
Edwards: Did you remember?
Phillips: I wrote a letter.
Conklin: Yes. I talked to Cory on the phone about it and we are going to try to put it
together. After this meeting lets all walk over there and take care of it.
Phillips: Okay.
Edwards: So we let him have one for two conditional uses?
Conklin: Yes.
Edwards: Okay. All of your parking aisles should be 24 feet in width. I only see these two
that are extra.
Phillips: Those are main thorough -fairs is there. This one is 30 here.
Conklin: Typically our ordinance is trying to minimize the amount of paving. 24 feet is
typically acceptable.
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Edwards: And your driveways should also be 24. Will you have any monument signs on any
part of the property along the street?
Phillips: None that I am aware of right now. What I have been told is that they are going to
mount a sign on the wall.
Edwards: Really?
Philips: That's the only thing I know of that they are thinking about doing. That's all I
know of what they are thinking about doing. I have no idea. They have not clued
me in on that.
Edwards: All utilities to be placed underground. I can't remember if she had a comment on
dumpster location.
Phillips: Perry was saying he thought she did.
Edwards- Yes. Here is where I think she was suggesting. I would recommend calling her.
Conklin: Get with Cheryl Zotti on it.
Phillips: Not a large enough turn radius?
Edwards: Yes. I think that's it.
Conklin: She told me she can't get her dump truck in. Face it directly into that and back out.
Edwards: Here is what she wrote, "Container pad moved to corner to container 20 feet wide
about 15 feet wide with a 40 foot turning radius total. So you need 20 more feet to
make the turning radius for that.
Conklin: Why is this patch shaded like this?
Phillips: Heavy duty pavement. It was for the trucks that would be coming in there and
turning.
Conklin: This is a drop-off area for people?
Phillips: I'm sorry, sir?
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Conklin:
Phillips:
Conklin:
Phillips:
Conklin:
Edwards:
Conklin:
Phillips:
Phipps:
Phillips:
Phipps:
Phillips:
This is to drop people off up front of the church. What is this designed for?
Just strictly for more additional parking and for that dumpster right there. It's
purely client driven.
That's a lot of pavement for a few parking spaces and a dumpster.
And it's also, as I understand it, there is going to be church offices here and this
allows them to just.. People can just come here without having to park and walk
all the way through the church and just come in and go there.
Okay.
Okay. Contact Cheryl Zotti in Solid Waste. That's all I have.
Let me just make one other comment with regard to planning. With regard to
Arapaho Drive up there, I am going to bring that to the attention of the Planning
Commission Subdivision Committee. It does not directly adjoin this property.
There is a stub -out. Because there is a stub -out I don't believe it necessarily mean
that that street was going to connect directly to the west Starr Drive. They put
stub -outs there for future subdivisions to tie them in together. I will bring this up
at this time I haven't requested that it be brought further to the south and dedicate
any right-of-way but I do need to make the Subdivision Committee aware of that
there is a stub -out there and make a final decision on that.
Okay.
Mike Phipps, Ozark Electric. Street lighting these entrances, I'm going to need
three lights down through there. And I don't have any power on the east side of
Starr Road it's all on the west side. So I'm going to need crossings at these
entrances. One four inch crossing at each entrance.
Can we bring that off of the power we are showing from back here. Bring that up
and around.
Yes. It would have to come through here. I would have to locate a transformer
somewhere down here but it's 900 feet from one side of the other property. That's
too far to run that. If I have to go from this point up to here to this set of
transformers to start a light.
That would be fine.
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Conklin: Which way are you going to come now?
Phipps: We are coming from the back of Barrington.
Conklin: The back of Barrington?
Phipps: Yes. We are coming all down that south side.
Conklin: All underground?
Phipps: Yes. All underground to the church.
Conklin: To the church. You are going to service the streetlights from this property.
Phipps: I would have to have a transformer up in front somewhere to access it.
Conklin: From across the road Okay.
• Phipps: See everything we have is across the road here. SWEPCO's transmission line, all
the cable, telephone, gas I believe is over there.
Conklin: Do you think it's going to be the typical residential subdivision streetlights on the
metal poles?
Phipps: Yes. It will be that nicer light. Whether they want black or silver. I'm going to
take my underground all the way through to Joe Fred access. A little piece we
need to tie in to kind of upgrade Highland Park a little bit. I will access that utility
easement all the way out.
Phillips: You want us to provide the line all the way down?
Phipps: No.
Phillips: Okay.
Phipps: The only thing that we require the contractors do is supply a 42 inch deep ditch,
trench, from the southeast corner of the property, that lot 31 Barrington all the way
to this transformer location.
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Conklin: And they are showing those conduits under the road Telephone, gas, everyone.
Phipps: Yes.
Conklin: They are a little hard to read isn't it? I'm not sure are there three conduits shown?
Phillips: Yes. Going across Starr Road
Phipps: Are those what you requested Johney?
Conklin: He's Just showing them on there. I'm pointing them out to you guys.
Boles: I had the existing gas on the east side of Starr Road also. It's shown.
Conklin: Is that something you are proposing to put in?
Phillips: No. I was under the impression from the survey that all the utilities were on the
west side so I prefer to not go across the road.
Conklin: 1 see it now.
Boles: What are the conduits for? Do we need them?
Phipps: 4 inch.
Phillips: Not a problem.
Conklin: Get that in the minutes? Okay.
Phipps: Through there we are showing a 35 foot setback. We would need a 20 foot utility
easement outside of the right-of-way.
Conklin: Outside of the new dedicated right-of-way.
Boles: Well I'm the only utility that legally within our policy cannot lay a street right-of-
way. I have to lay on private property so every time you increase the street right-
of-way that kind of backs me up a little bit.
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Phipps: We will set a light at 79 and 80. Put the lights on the west side of this road. 79
and 80 then I could come down to 82 and 83. If I can access the light from the
west side.
Edwards: I don't think that matters.
Phipps: Probably would be a lot easier than digging all in through here and setting them on
this side when I've already got four side connection on the other side.
Edwards: 1 requirement is every 300 feet. It doesn't matter what side of the road it's on.
Phipps: I may look at that.
Conklin: That might work.
Phipps The future chapel. I'd like to talk to you about it. It will come back through large
scale though.
Edwards: Yes
Conklin : Yes
Phipps: I will need an easement to get to it.
Conklin: Sure.
Phipps: I have no other comments.
Lefler. Kevin Lefler, Cox Communications. For future service I don't know what they are
going to want or need but we would come with the electric company. Bring
everything down the south side and probably come in through this telephone
service. Then from there I would recommend their electrician get with me and we
will talk about in-house wiring and getting that over to there. That's all I will
need.
Boles:
Johney Boles, Arkansas Western Gas. Our service location would be out at the
road if it's not installed at the service at the building. And if they were planning on
serving that future chapel also set one service, you need to make sure to add it to
that side, the initial yard line with the capacity to serve all that in the future. That's
all I have
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Phipps:
Phillips:
Phipps:
Lefler:
Phillips:
Conklin:
Petrie:
Philips:
Petrie:
Phillips:
Petrie:
Phillips:
Petrie:
Those utility crossings that I requested across Joe Fred at these entrances will need
to be 42 inches deep.
Are you still going to need those even if you put the light on the other side?
Yes. Well I'll call and let you know if I can do that. I don't want to have to dig
too many yards. I don't want to disturb the landscape and everything like that. I
will get with the contractor before he does this.
Let me add one thing to my comments on the cable service. I will probably need a
2 inch conduit out of that room somewhere to the outside of that building close to
where we are going to where Ozark is going to mount a transformer there. I just
need a conduit come out of this building somewhere out here where I can tie in to
it.
Okay.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
I will go over this real quickly. Just feel free to stop me if you have any questions
on any questions. My name is Ron Petrie. Water and sewer, I think we already
covered those two items. Sprinkler systems are a request from the fire chief. For
grading you have a checklist that's included a couple sheets back. Very few
comments. One comment is all cut and fill slopes required to be set back 5 feet
from the property line.
Okay.
I think you have got it a little close on the north end. So you may want to look at
that.
Sure.
If you can add the proposed cut and fill slopes onto the plan. And there are some
additional items that we'll need before you can begin construction but not
necessarily at this time. So you can go back and go through that checklist.
Yes sir.
There is also a copy of the new grading and storm -water permit. We need to make
sure that is signed by the owner.
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Phillips: Okay.
Petrie: It should be included in there.
Phillips: I thought we did this one last week?
Petrie: You have got a grading permit that is signed by the owner?
Phillips: Yes sir.
Petrie: Then you have a storm -water management permit. It wasn't completed.
Phillips: Okay.
Petrie: I knew you would like to get that anyway.
Phillips: Alright. We will get that taken care of.
Petrie: You can do it all on that one sheet.
Phillips: No problem. Is there an additional fee?
Petrie: No. That's all been taken care of.
Phillips: Okay.
Petrie: For drainage what I have in your report concerning detention and whether it's
needed or not. I can't accept that. The reasons why you need a different method
used to compute your flows it's over 25 acres the rational method I can't accept.
There are plenty of other methods. I think you can use that Tellsall software to
compute those. I think that SCS on it too so that can be done. The basins, taken in
as two separate basins. I can't accept that. Because it's not really two complete
separate basins. There is really one basin. If you can provide all of the supporting
hydro -graphs and worksheets and summaries in there so we can fully review. The
bottom line is the location of this site in this area typically would require detention.
Phillips: Okay.
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Petrie:
Phillips:
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Conklin:
Phillips:
And I just can't accept that how it was submitted. We can discuss that later if you
want to. We'll move on right now. Will the storm -water enter the site at any other
location than what was stated in the report? I was referring to right there is a ditch
comes down and enters the site along this boundary. You can look into that.
Okay.
And the last problem. It appears you have all this draining off the parking lot at
one location. Actually, the grading that is shown never enters this ditch on this
site. A couple of hundred feet back to the west of that ditch will actually go onto
the Stanbury's property and then go up to this ditch. That's something else. You
couldn't increase that flow onto his property.
Okay.
The streets. As you know the Planning Commission makes the determination for
off-site improvements. We will make a recommendation to the Subdivision
Committee. I would like to go out and be able to spend the amount of time to
really see what's out there and see what you are proposing. I know you are
proposing to widen it in front of the development.
Yes.
To local street standards at curb and gutter. And then widen to County standards
the rest of the way to Starr drive. I think that is going to be what we recommend
so I think we are okay but I think we will go out and look at that other side of the
street to make sure.
The west side?
Yes.
Okay.
Cory, just north of this property of the part that is in the County, just off the top of
your head, do you know what the narrowest width is that you will be widening to?
I know it varies throughout.
It varies, I think the narrowest it ever gets down through there right now is like 14
feet.
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Conklin: But after your improvements?
Phillips: I think we have 22.2
Edwards: It's the second site plan.
Petrie: It looks like 22.2. That is above the minimum County standards.
Phillips: Every 50 feet station.
Conklin: Last night, at City Council, the annexation was approved. There was quite a bit of
discussion with regard to street improvements and City Council did request that
Public Works Director talk to the County about doing additional improvements
south of the church and cooperate with the County trying to get Starr Road
improved. Planning Commission mentioned it and City Council mentioned it now.
Phillips: South of us?
• Conklin: Yes. But as a City project. Also, with regard to..sorry Ron, taking over your
report here but, with regard to the 14 foot from center line curb gutter storm
drainage in front of the church. On the church property. About taking forward
some type of cost share too to look at the other side on that street.
Phillips: Is the other side in the City?
Conklin: No. It would be with the church. To take a look at that portion across the street
from the church. Ron, once you look at this and we can go out there and we can
have a more better defined recommendation. I think what you are showing is
pretty close to what we will be recommending.
Petrie: Right. I don't disagree with that. Just looking at this, I did have some concern we
are showing to relocate some fences and I have a comment. Do we know if there is
any right-of-way there?
Phillips: Nothing that I have seen shows up as being in the right-of-way. Does the County
even have any right-of-ways on their street?
Petrie: They have a right-of-way easements.
• Conklin: Easements kept with the property owners on the property underneath.
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Petrie: I just need you to research that a little bit to make sure you have the right to widen
that and move that fence. Last comment plus all those road improvements, also
located in the County. It's going to have to be approved by the County.
Phillips: I have already been in touch with them and sounds like this was a first step before I
go to them with anything to make sure we are square here.
Petrie: We have had some meetings with the County, with the Public Works Director.
They know that some improvements need to be done to the street. We are all
trying to get together and find out what the extent of those improvements are going
to be. The County may want a cost -share to have both sides paved or something.
To have both sides widened, I don't know. We are all trying to just get together
and try to extend it a little further.
Conklin: Ben Israel spoke last night regarding the street situation out there. He did bring up
the current situation out there where part of the street in City is higher than the
other part. It's lower 2 or 3 inches and if you are not paying attention and get your
wheel off of it, your car can somewhat get out of control. Something you probably
want to take a look at Ron, before Subdivision Committee and see with regard to
these improvements that you are planning that it's not going to make the road more
hazardous just with the cross-section improvements. I would think that any swells
would have to be redesigned along side of that road. Because if you widen that
road out you may be most likely impacting any existing drainage swell or ditch
along side of that road. It would have to be taken into account also.
Phillips: Right.
Conklin: Do you agree with that, Ron?
Petrie: Yes. Driveways.
Conklin: Just trying to get everything on the record. Anything else, Ron?
Petrie: No.
Edwards: I'm not finished. We would just like for you to submit a list of materials like this
is this color .... this is this color brick. What this big building behind is made out
of. Stuff like that. That's it.
Conklin: Do you know what this tower is going to be, right here? What the purpose of that
is?
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Phillips: No. I think it's just for aesthetics. I don't think it serves any functional purpose.
Conklin: This elevation that we have, is this elevation?
Phillips: Yes.
Conklin: Okay. We will need elevations on the upper end.
Edwards: I already mentioned that.
Conklin: Oh you got that. Okay. This meeting is over.