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HomeMy WebLinkAbout2000-08-17 - Minutes• • • MINUTES OF A MEETING OF THE SUBDIVISION COMMITTEE A regular meeting of the Subdivision Committee was held on Thursday, August 17, 2000 at 8:30 a.m. in Room 111 of the City Administration Building, 113 W. Mountain, Fayetteville, Arkansas. ITEMS CONSIDERED AD 00-29.00: AD 00-30.00: LSD 00-25.00: LSD 00-20.00: Administrative Item (Arkansas National Bank, pp 401) Administrative Item (WRMC, pp 212) Large Scale Development (Air BP, pp 795) Large Scale Development (Bradley, pp 177) MEMBERS PRESENT Bob Estes Conrad Odom Lee Ward STAFF PRESENT Tim Conklin Sara Edwards Ron Petrie Chuck Rutherford ACTION TAKEN Approved Approved Approved Forwarded MEMBERS ABSENT Lorel Hoffman STAFF ABSENT Perry Franklin Kim Hesse Kim Rogers • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 2 AD 00-29.00: Administrative Item (Arkansas National Bank, pp 401) was submitted by Don Cobb of d -sign Inc. on behalf of Arkansas National Bank for property located at the northwest corner of Salem & Wedington. The property is zoned C-1, Neighborhood Commercial and contains approximately 1.61 acres. The request is for a monument sign, an amendment to the conditions of approval for LSD 98-8. Estes: Now that we have three Commissioners present let's go in the original order of the agenda. Item number one is an Administrative Item for Arkansas National Bank, pp 401. It was submitted by Don Cobb of D -Sign Inc on behalf of Arkansas National Bank. The request is for a monument sign as an amendment to the conditions of approval for LSD 98-8. Tim, is there anything we need to know about this? Conklin: They are requesting a monument sign. The monument sign was not approved as part of this Large Scale Development. Staff is in support of this. It does meet the ordinance that we passed to allow monument signs outside our overlay district ten feet back off our right-of-way, maximum height six feet with seventy-five square feet. Their sign is proposed to be four feet by twelve feet with a two foot by twelve foot base. I think it is appropriate in that area to have a monument sign. Estes: Rutherford: Estes: Petrie: Estes: Conklin: MOTION: Ward: Estes: Chuck, is there anything you have for us? No. Ron? No sir. Is the applicant here? Do you want to come forward and tell us who you are? Tell us anything you have to say. I don't believe the applicant is here. I would still recommend that you act on this and approve it. I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve AD 00-29.00 for a monument sign located on Arkansas National Bank at Wedington and Salem. Before I second that I think Commissioner Odom has a question. • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 3 Odom: Is this blank over here because they might add a tenant or something? Conklin: I believe that's a reader board. Odom: What do you mean by that? Conklin: You know where they say "6% loan", "CD 7 1/% 6 months" and whatever. Odom: Okay. I got you. Good enough for me. Are these just concrete cylinder blocks or is that decorative type? Conklin: For the record let's say it is split -faced block because I'm not clear on that. Odom: Alright. Second then. Estes: I'm okay with that. I concur. • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 4 AD 00-30.00: Administrative Item (WRMC, pp 212) was submitted by Washington Regional Medical Center for property located on Milsap Road. The property is zoned R -O, Residential Office and contains approximately 45.47 acres. The request is for less greenspace between the street and sidewalk, an amendment to the conditions of approval for LSD 98-36. Estes: Conklin: Rutherford: Conklin: Ward: Conklin: Estes: Jones: Estes: The next item is item number two, it also is an Administrative Item submitted by Washington Regional Medical Center for property located on Milsap Road. The request is for less greenspace between the street and sidewalks which would be an amendment to the conditions of approval for LSD 98-36. Tim, what is this all about? I'm going to let Chuck Rutherford give that report this morning. Well the applicant is asking to, I think they are asking and they can correct me if I'm wrong, I think they are asking to not build a sidewalk on Futrall Drive because this development has three street frontages and I think they are willing to move the sidewalk onto their private property and connect back up. Is that correct. Chuck, why don't you, if you can come over here for the Commissioners. Is this the drawing that you submitted? No. This is the approved Planning Commission Large Scale. What was agreed to was a sidewalk on Futrall. This is a collector street. Six foot sidewalk, ten feet back. This is what we approved on October 11, 1999? We have a sidewalk on North Hills and we got a sidewalk on the north side of Futrall. Is that correct? South side of Futrall. One of the issues of the sidewalk on Futrall is that that's actually part of the Highway Department's controlled access. I've spoken to the Highway Department, they said that they don't have anything that strictly prohibits the construction of the sidewalk along Futrall but one of the issues is that they did say that they will not allow their controlled access to be compromised in that area. There is a right-of-way fence. There would not be access to the sidewalk along the frontage of the hospital You can get to the sidewalk by coming down North Hills or you can get to the sidewalk on... • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 5 Jones: ... and wherever your control of access ends. There was some question, they never did get back to me as far as where it ended. They thought it probably ended somewhere passed the hospital property but it doesn't go all the way to Gregg Street. Estes: Let's see, on Milsap we have got sidewalks on the south side of Milsap. Is that right? So those two sidewalks will connect? Rutherford: The sidewalk on Milsap is on the north side. Estes: It's on the north side. Jones: I talked to Mike Pickens yesterday at the Highway Department he was back off of vacation. He pretty much said the same thing that Curtis said. He didn't know for sure if this was controlled access. Mike did say if it was controlled access, and this would be one of a very few places in the City of Fayetteville that would be controlled access along I-540 or the freeway. On the north/south corridor they don't have controlled access but on this piece it could be. Estes: Simply stated, what is the problem with putting that sidewalk in? Jones: There's a couple of issues. One, the fact that the hospital is interested in putting a sidewalk along the property that they have use of. Estes: That will be around the north perimeter? Where will that be? Jones: We've got a printing right here that shows what we are proposing. Ward: They are actually going to put in twice as much sidewalk as what was proposed. Jones: It would come along the inside of the right-of-way fence and then wrap back around and then up along the drive and tie in to North Hills Boulevard. We feel like, to be honest with you, that this location would provide a more used. Ward: Estes: They are putting in twice as much sidewalk as what was required. Let me tell you what my concern is and let me tell you why. I'm very familiar with that area that's one of my running routes. As I run down Appleby there's a beaten path in the grass and I know children shouldn't use that for bicycles and I know people shouldn't but I know there is people that regularly use that in the morning and in the evening for their exercise. I go down Appleby sometimes and • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 6 Odom: Jones. come back up Gregg and come up Futrall then to Milsap and back up. This is dangerous coming up that hill there past this stop light. There is also beaten paths there where people have to jump off of the street and get up on the grass for a while. When you get up here on Milsap you have got some sidewalks. It's just as dangerous as, I do this sometimes too and I probably shouldn't, but I come up Milsap and I tum and go north on 71 and run with the traffic until I can get into a parking lot and I come up by Jones Oldsmobile and so on and you see the same thing. You have to jump off in the grass to get out of that traffic and there's a beaten path. You are putting in the sidewalk on Appleby so that solves that but if there's an opportunity to put a sidewalk in on Futrall, I do not disagree with that at all but I see that as a landscape feature. Serpenting in the sidewalk through the Large Scale Development. You are going to have to persuade me to give that sidewalk up on Futrall. Can you explain to me a little more detail what you mean by the controlled access. I don't know really what you are talking about. What I'm talking about when I refer to controlled access, it's basically what it sounds like, they control the access to that portion of the highway. If indeed it is controlled access. They have a right-of-way fence that runs along their right-of- way in that area along the front of the hospital property there. They will not allow that fence to be broken. In other words, the sidewalk cannot go in and out of that controlled access. You can't have another sidewalk on the hospital side tying into it on the controlled access portion. You can only access the sidewalk from the ends of the controlled access which would be North Hills Boulevard and then wherever it ends over on this end. Conklin: What kind of fence is it? Estes: It's just a barb -wire fence right now. Let me ask you some questions. Over here, what are the elevations like? I remember there is a pretty steep drop-off because I have had to jump out of that road and run in the grass up in here. Jones: That's a fairly steep drop-off. We are showing the sidewalk being down at the bottom of the hill at the bottom at that drop-off. The road slopes off probably somewhere in the neighborhood of three-to-one/four-to-one. Harris: In order to build it up, Futrall would have to be up against the curb. There's a steep drop-off. • Jones: There is probably about a five or six foot berm back behind the curb. You are • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 7 probably more familiar with it. There is a flat area back behind the curb right now. Ward: Chuck, what do you think about this? Rutherford: Kurt is a little bit right on his definition of controlled access. To simplify it a little more, if that is a controlled access and we don't know for sure if it is or Mike Pickens said he didn't know for sure if it was. It means basically the same thing as I-540 or the freeway. In other words, no pedestrians, bicycles allowed in that right-of-way. Estes: I'd like to know if it's controlled access, both before I make a decision and if I'm out there running somewhere I shouldn't be running, I need to know that. Ward: There's no doubt that you are. Jones: The Highway Department also has something else called "Partial Controlled Access" I have talked to Joe Shipman a couple of times about this. I talked to Mike Pickens about it too and Mike pretty much told me the same thing, that he didn't know and he was going to get with Joe. I never have gotten a definite answer. Joe said he thought it was. There right-of-way plans actually show it as being controlled access, I believe. It's just a symbol that they use to designate the right-of-way and that's kind of what we are going by. Mike originally told me that if it was controlled access, they wouldn't allow a sidewalk but when I talked to Joe Shipman he backed off that a little bit and said that they didn't have anything that specifically prohibited it. He did try to indicate that they certainly didn't encourage the construction of a sidewalk or anything on their controlled access that would put pedestrians out there. Conklin: Joe Shipman, his title is the District Engineer? Jones: He's the Assistant District Engineer. Harris: On the Plat Review minutes at the previous Plat Review was a comment from SWEPCO said that it could never have street lights along their because it was controlled access. That would be one problem to have a sidewalk over there if we have no chance of ever putting lights on there. Jones: That was discussed at Plat Review and apparently SWEPCO had done some inquiring I'm not sure what Dennis had done or how he knew that but he said that there had been a discussion of putting some street lights along that street at Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 8 one time and the Highway Department would not allow it. Ward: Are you going to put a sidewalk on this side no matter what happens? We have the necessary six foot sidewalk. Jones: I'm not sure. Estes: Help me out but I see that as a landscape enhancement feature. Jones: It certainly is but it can serve street functions. It can enhance the landscaping of the hospital site while also providing an connection for a sidewalk from Gregg Street over to North Hills Boulevard. It would basically get the pedestrian traffic off Futrall and the access road. Ward: I think we need to find out for sure if it's a controlled access. Estes: That will self solve if we have the answer to that question. Ward: Can we move for approval subject to the receipt of a letter that's controlled access. Conklin: I'm not sure where they are at on their need for an answer on the sidewalk issue but they will be back before you at the next Subdivision Committee with a request for an additional expansion in square footage. Estes: Can we put it together? Conklin: I guess my statement is, do you need this decision today or can we wait until the next meeting August 31" when we are going to bring forward the additional square footage? Tenpenny: Can we get an answer on this the 31"? Conklin: Yes. Odom: I would say that if you had a letter from the Highway Department... Jones: We'll continue to pursue that. MOTION: • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 9 Odom: In fact I don't have any problem moving for approval today subject to the receipt of that letter. That way that gets one item off of the agenda. Ward: I would second that. Odom: Is that okay Bob? Estes: Yes. I would concur with that. Without the letter we will see it again, I guess. Jones: If we can't get the letter by the 31" we will... Conklin: Subject to them building this sidewalk through their project? Chuck, I want to make sure everything is being approved. They are also taking the sidewalk on Appleby Road and putting it onto their property. There is a ditch right here and it's difficult to build it along the street so it's going to come up onto their property and then back over. Rutherford: Also, there some large trees out there. The sidewalk may or may not be adjacent to the curb. When they start construction we are just going to have to see how it will fit might go behind some of those big trees or out in front. We will have to work with the Tree and Landscape Administrator on that. Jones: But you are not opposed to moving it to preserve? Rutherford: No. That was in my comment letter originally. Estes: Anything else? Are we done? Conklin: We're done. • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 10 LSD 00-25.00: Large Scale Development (Air BP, pp 795) was submitted by Kenneth Schossow on behalf of Air BP for property located on 71 South (airport). The property is zoned I-1 Heavy Commercial/Light Industrial. The request is for an above ground fuel tank. Estes: The next item is number three LSD 00-25.00 a Large Scale Development (Air BP, pp 795) was submitted by Kenneth Schossow on behalf of Air BP for property located on 71 South (airport). The property is zoned I-1 Heavy Commercial/Light Industrial. The request is for an above ground fuel tank. Why are we looking at this Tim? Conklin: You are looking at this because a couple of years ago our Fire Chief proposed an ordinance to require all above ground fuel tanks to go up to Large Scale Development approval. Typically, a project of this size would not be before you but we do have that ordinance and we are following that ordinance. This is an above ground fuel facility. At City Council on Tuesday they considered the lease agreement that still hasn't been approved. Approval of this project today would be subject to the City Council approving that lease agreement. They are also requesting a waiver of the $100 Large Scale Development fee and the Council seems to be in support of that also but that's by ordinance and so they are going to have to pass an ordinance to waive that fee. Odom. They are going to pass an ordinance? Conklin: Yes. To waive that actual fee. I'm trying to find the site plan. This is on the runway side of the airport. Greenland is going to be down this way. Fayetteville is over here. It's going to be out in this area. It's basically an above ground tank that's also going to have a concrete base inner vault designed to hold any fuel that may spill if it's ever punctured or anything at 110% that's partially above ground and below ground. Over all there is really no issue with regard to planning. Sidewalk and Trails Coordinator is asking that the airport and the applicant get together and make a contribution to the Airport Sidewalk Fund We do try get a contribution for each project that goes out there to eventually put sidewalks along School Street or Highway 71. Out in that area. That's all we have on this project. Odom: How much contribution are we talking about? Conklin: Well with the T -hanger we ended up with $500 I can expect with an above ground fuel tank it's going to be substantially less. Odom: $50,000. Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 11 Conklin: Odom: Estes: Rutherford: Odom: Schossow: Odom: Schossow: Ward: Schossow: I'm not sure. The way I look at this, I'm trying to be fair that every project that comes through we consider sidewalks. This is a City project. If the City wants to build a sidewalk the City Council can appropriate money and build a sidewalk out at Drake Field but we are trying to at least set up some type of fund. We'll work with Alett Little and they will report and see what we come up with. Sure. Chuck, anything other than what Tim said. No. Alett has informed us of a formula she is using for the contributions. I'm surprised you can have an above ground fuel tank at the airport. They must be probably everywhere. I'm Kenneth Schossow. I'm sorry I thought the meeting was going to be at 9:00 a.m. I've got my times inverted here. We just started on yours. I think I can answer that question. This concept has been going around the country for quite some time. We went through the State Fire Marshall's office who basically had to restructure their guidelines as far as above ground fuel storage. The State Fire Marshall during the period of last year we worked with the Arkansas Airport Operators Association to help restructure the guidelines for these self -serve above ground fuel facilities. What this does is, it allows people with aircraft that uses 100 low lead fuel to serve their own needs. You have to wait for the truck to come around and fuel you up? That's right. So you have a 24 hour 7 day a week facility here. As we were going through this process we found out later that the City of Fayetteville's ordinance was more restrictive than what eventually the State Fire Marshall had come up with to the degree that the ordinance provides that you have a two hour bum rate on the tank. It has to literally be bullet proof. It's a double lined vessel to where you have an outer metal containment area, then you have a filler concrete like substance, then another vessel that is metal inside that. BP goes above that to the extent that they built a containment area around it which has a filtering system on it that if there's any petroleum residue in it then it won't allow it to go through the filtering system. The capsules in this filtering system swell up when petroleum touches it and it won't allow any flowage through it at all. So, the people that are • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 12 Ward: Schossow: Estes: Petrie: Estes: Schossow: Estes: Schossow: Estes: Conklin: MOTION: Estes: flying over the state of Arkansas now in route to get fuel in the middle of the night, we will be advertising through the various publications. The trade journals etcetera and they will know that this is a place they can get fuel. Plus, you will have an advantage also that the overhead will be less. We possibly will be able to sell the fuel for a little less per gallon that way. The City of Fayetteville asked for a two million dollar general liability policy which we will provide Then BP backs that up with their product guarantee of fifty million dollars. This is a project that has been well thought out Air British Petroleum is one of the biggest in the world as far as aircraft fuel is concerned. They go over and above to get things done. How big of a tank is this? Five thousand gallons. Ron, did you have anything? No sir. What regulatory approval is required if any, FAA, EPA, the State Fire Marshall? The State Fire Marshall. We have that already and of course Chief Jackson had to sign off on this prior to us submitting that permit and now we will submit the State Fire Marshall's approval to the EPA along with a set of the plans and they will give approval on the specifications. Anything that they see that we have missed here then we will comply with that as well. How about any FAA approval? Not that I know of. This is done all over the country. The height of the sign would possibly be something to be considered but the sign that we will ask for will be no greater than the sign that's already in place for the other FBO there. Tim, is this something we can approve at this level? Yes. I would move that we approve LSD 00-25.00 subject to all regulatory approval and specifically FAA, EPA, State Fire Marshall and Fayetteville Fire. • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 13 Odom: Estes: All that are required. That are required. Any other regulatory approval that is required. Don't want to be approving something and find out later that we don't have FAA approval or EPA approval. We have no superintendency authority over those agencies. What we say or do here has no effect on what they do or don't do. Schossow: We in turn are going about it the very same way as far as being licensees. Our lease depends on approval of everything all the way down to the insurance company approving the insurance that's required by the City as well as Air British Petroleum to the exception that there is no exceptions or exclusions. We are trying to cover all of our bases here. Odom: I second your deal or whatever. Estes: Motion. Odom: Motion. What benefit does the City of Fayetteville have for us to have anything to do with the process? Just a general question. What benefit does the City of Fayetteville have by attracting private or commercial people to come in and fill up at this thing? Do we get adoptive fees while they are here? Schossow: You get flowage fee and as well as general turn back on your tax. Ward: You are going to have to pay a lease on this too aren't you? Schossow: Yes. The lease in nominal but one of the main things, pardon me for interrupting, but one of the main things that I think as being, we already have an avionic shop on the field. If you know where Drake Field stands today with the air carriers leaving, we are in dire straights as far as air traffic is concerned there. The FAA basis, to my understanding, funding on the amount of take -offs and landings that you have there. Odom: That's kind of what I was wondering. So we can get more FAA funding by attracting people just to come in and buy gas. Schossow: We need not only that but the long and the short of it is, in my opinion as a businessman, we need to do everything that we can to keep this beautiful facility that has been paid for for years by virtue of the fact that we did have the airlines there. We need to keep it in tact and grow it. Business gets business in my opinion. Everything that you can do to encourage business to come there. If you • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 14 Estes: see another business go in there then possibly others will follow. If you want to take a look at the situation out at Drake Field I would invite you to go out there and just look at how dead it is. Most of the people that come into Drake Field, I would say without having exact figures... Let me just restate that. A high average comes from out of state and comes to our avionics facility there. We are doing everything that we can. Our proposal here is that we have chosen Drake Field to establish our avionics business and we need to grow it in order to make it a viable business. This is just one of the next steps to grow our business. Are we getting any military refueling traffic of any kind? Any efforts going on in that regard? This is way off subject. It's a topic of interest. It seems to me we ought to even be offering to cater ribs from Penguin Ed's out there just to get people to come down and go back up. Schossow: That has been my idea all along. Rick McKinnee the President of the Airport Board they have talked to the National Guard about brining in helicopters, training missions, anything we can do to have take -offs and landings there. I have suggested to Dale Frederick, Alett Little and anybody that would listen to me that whatever we can do to encourage business to come there whether it's tax incentives or whatever. If you can get, I keep going back to this and I know I sound like a broken record to the people that has already heard it before but I moved here from Baton Rouge and I worked on a development of a large mall that is there in place now near a subdivision, which I was the President of the Homeowner's Association, one of the very first things that happened during the engineering phase of that as they were laying that out, they went out and they looked for anchors to come into that mall. Once you have those anchor stores then the other ones will follow. You've got a large piece of property out there in Fayetteville Airport that I think that if you get three or four anchor businesses out their in the aviation industry you will see other's follow. Ward: I'll concur. • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 15 LSD 00-19.00: Large Scale Development (Bradley, pp 177) was submitted by Don Hunnicutt of Hunnicutt Construction on behalf of Jerry Bradley for property located on lot 1 of Millennium Place, north of Joyce Blvd., west of Hwy 265 (Crossover). The property is zoned C-1, Neighborhood Commercial and contains approximately 0.75 acres. The request is to build a retail store. Estes: Welcome to the Thursday morning August 17, 2000 agenda session for a meeting of the Subdivision Committee. Because there are only two of your Subdivision Committee members present at this time, we are going to start with items which do not require any dispositive action and that would be item number four LSD 00- 19.00 a Large Scale Development (Bradley, pp 177) was submitted by Don Hunnicutt of Hunnicutt Construction on behalf of Jerry Bradley for property located on lot 1 of Millennium Place. Tim, what do we need to know about item number four? Conklin: Item number four. This has been to the Subdivision Committee before. Since then they have gone back and have redesigned their parking lot. Their parking lot used to be on the east side of their building however there was a storm drainage facility there, a concrete swale. There was a lot of issues with regard to cost and trying to accommodate that underneath the parking lot. They have shifted the parking lot to the west side of the building. That parking lot will share an access drive with the lot adjacent to that actually goes over onto the lot to the west. Overall, it's going to provide better access to another issue that we discussed which was the dumpster. The dumpster used to be located back on the east side of the building. Now it's going to be on the west at the very back. That was one of the issues. Conditions to address and discuss, they are going to be required to put four inch caliper trees along the right-of-way per the covenants of the subdivision. Determination with Commercial Design Standards. You do have elevations in front of you this morning. That all roof mounted utilities shall be screened from public view. We are asking that this be forwarded to the full Planning Commission August 28th meeting and because this is our first Large Scale Planning Commission does need to make that determination with regard to Commercial Design Standards That is our recommendation. Estes: Chuck, do you have anything for us? Rutherford: They have everything correct. Estes: Ron? Petrie: This is a better layout than the other. • • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 16 Estes: Hunnicutt: Conklin: Hunnicutt: Estes: Conklin: Estes: Conklin: Estes: Conklin: Estes: Conklin: If the applicant is present would you identify yourself? Don Hunnicutt, representing Jerry Bradley, the owner, and Steve DeNoon, the architect. We had a discussion about approving it here without going to Planning Commission. We talked about originally taking it back to the Subdivision Committee the end of August. August 31m. We bumped it up. This is still going to get you ahead of time. In my opinion, I think we need to take it to the Planning Commission the 28th. There is an issue with trying to get this building constructed with Don Hunnicutt and Steve DeNoon. We talked about timing. They are still working on their construction drawings to submit to Inspections for a building permit. I don't think this is going to delay them, going to the 28w. From the discussion I had with you two, I don't believe it's going to delay your project. What will you discuss at Planning? Design Standards? Well it's a Large Scale Development Tim, can we approve it at this level? We now have three Commissioners. Sure. If you are comfortable approving it at this level, you can go ahead and do that. This is our first Large Scale Development in Millenium Subdivision. So we need to look at Commercial Design Standards. Is that about it? Yes. That's about it on this one. Do we have signed Conditions of Approval? We normally don't get those at Subdivision. I know but we are being asked to approve at this level. Are you in agreement with all the Conditions of Approval? Hunnicutt: Yes. DeNoon: Estes: Yes. Let's talk about Commercial Design Standards then, if you want to approve it at • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 17 Ward: Hunnicutt: Ward: Estes: DeNoon: Ward: DeNoon: this level. Commissioner Ward? I'll go ahead and talk my little piece about it. This is going to be located out on Joyce Street and 265 which I think is one of our primary areas out there. I know that the developments to the west of it out there with all the nice brick office buildings and architecture designs things are really looking nice I feel like this particular building, the north elevation and both a part of the east and part of the west elevations have too much dry-vit and not enough articulation The south elevation looks fantastic. The front of the building looks great with all the brick, glass and arches. That looks wonderful with all of it. I don't believe that any of this will pass muster as far as what we have approved in the past, especially in that particular area out there. I can't personally make recommendations. We talked about possibly putting more brick. More brick. That breaks a little bit. You might put some color bands or something on it. I can tell you we have not approved anything looking like this. That area out there is one of our main show places. You are going to be able to see this north elevation. You are going to be able to see the east elevation. It's going to show up the way it's setting there. This is going to be a high end type of retail store which the type of customer you are looking for, you need to have a nice looking building. If I may say this, I agree with everything Commissioner Ward has said. I appreciate and understand because to the east there you have Dr. Ginger's car wash but this does begin the Millenium Place Subdivision as the first project. We are sure not here to micro -manage or design your project but if we can see some split -faced block or if we could see some of the items that have been discussed. Some split -faced block. Is dry-vit another option? Split -faced block, dry-vit with some color bands through it. We have required that everywhere out there where you are at now. In the Spring Creek Center if you will look at some of those buildings, even Old Navy and Wal Mart they have a lot of it. The color choices they have is what we call pearl ash. Which is almost a taupe or a gray but that color combination. That and a not real complete white kind of an off-white. Some split -faced with a little different brick. • Ward: That would be great as far as I'm concerned, but I'm only one member. Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 18 DeNoon: Right. I'm Just picking your brain here. Conklin: You are talking on the north elevation? Ward: Definitely the north elevation. Conklin: They do have brick veneer on the other two. Ward: They could add some brick veneer or add some split -faced block. I don't care. I'm not saying they can't use some dry -vit. Estes: I agree with Commissioner Ward, to keep the expense down, maybe you can think about some split -block what 1/3 the way up or something? Hunnicutt: Masonry like that material and the dry-vit and some kind of design above with different color bands and different arches. Ward. Sure. Odom: You've got these up front and on the side. Make sure they are incorporated into the designs. Hunnicutt: Get away from the blank walls This is roof line. Ward: There are fifty things you can do. Split -faced block, combination of buck, combination of some of your designs, color bands. Estes: It looks like for Commercial Design Standards purposes we are going to have to forward to the full Commission. Conklin: Yes. I don't mind you approving it at this level if it's very clear what he is going to have to do because I'm not going to sit around the table with the owner. DeNoon: We can submit it to you pretty quickly on the revised elevation. Conklin: The next Subdivision Committee meeting is August 31P1. DeNoon: Can we meet on an individual basis? Is that possible? Conklin: I really don't want to be responsible to approve because the last time I had to o • • Subdivision Committee August 17, 2000 Page 19 come up with a list of Commercial Design Standard elements. I spent several meetings to get that worked out. If you want to sit here Steve, you're the architect, and if you want to draw something on here and show six feet high. MOTION: Estes: I'm not prepared to do that. I move that we follow staff recommendation and forward it to full Planning Commission. When will that meeting be Tim? Conklin: August 28, 2000. Ward: I'll second that. Odom: Concur. Estes: Thank you gentlemen.