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MINUTES OF A PLAT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING
A meeting of the Fayetteville Plat Review Committee was held Thursday, August 29, 1974,
at 9:15 A.M. in the Directors Room, City Administration Building, Fayetteville, Arkansas.
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PRESENT: Bobbie Jones, Charles McWhorter
UTILITY REPRESENTATIVES PRESENT: Clyde Terry, Roy Hawkins, Frank O'Donnell,
Randy Schneider
DEVELOPERS and/or ENGINEERS PRESENT: Ervan Wimberly, B.A. Shamblin, John Box
The first item for discussion was the Wal-Mart Properties, Inc., Large Scale
Development Plan to construct a Shopping Center on Highway 62 West.
Mr. Ervan Wimberly, Engineer, was present. Comments were as follows. WAL-MART
Highway 62 West
1. Charles McWhorter,(Fire Chief): They will have to sprinkle L.S. Development
the building and they have plans to do this. I believe the main
water line is across the highway.
2. Clyde Terry(Warner Cable): Will there be a utility room in the. building?
Ervan Wimberly said the entire back side from the center to the Northwest Corner will
be a utility room (about 15 Feet). Utilities would have to come in from the West of
the building. We will come in either underground in conjunction with the telephone
or overhead with the power, so I need to wait and see whether or not they build a line
underground. We would need an entrance to get into the utility room alongside the
telephone and power. If SWEPCO goes underground instead of setting poles, then we
will have to go underground also using a two (2) inch plastic conduit.
3. Ervan Wimberly: One thing I need to straighten up with everybody and that is in
the dead center behind the Gulf building there is a riser box, T.V., telephone, as
well as power pole and we will have to work this out. You have got to have the riser;
but we will have to protect it because they have worked out a tentative agreement with
Gulf Oil to have common ingress and egress because the back will be one big parking
lot. We have to put some pipe in there to protect the risers. Mr. Hawkins said he
would like to reserve the right to check further into this to accommodate them as
much as possible..
4. Frank O'Donnell (Ark. Western Gas): Gas service is available along Old Farmington
Road and Ervan and I have talked about our mutual potential problems and are pretty well
zeroed in as far as lines are concerned and we will just stay together as he progresses
with the project. No other comments.
5. Roy Hawkins (Southwestern Bell Telephone): Telephone Company will be going under-
ground. On sheet one you are showing a 25 feet service drive. Will it be paved?
Ervan Wimberly said not if he could get by without it. Mr. Hawkins commented: We will
have to come in from the back. There is no charge to put cable into the building but
since we are crossing this service drive and it has a chance of being paved, we will
need a 2 -inch conduit coming out. Since you are showing 4 different buildings on this
thing, I prefer conduit to some central location in each building where we will have
space available. We can work out the details at a later date when you can give us a
location where we will be able to make the shortest run possible. It would be to the
advantage of the Wal-Mart store and the telephone company if some kind of a conduit
arrangement is provided in the building. It makes their store look so much nicer
because we have no choice when we have no conduit but to do the best we can and sometimes
this doesn't look too good.
6. Randy Schneider (SWEPCO): Are you building all of the buildings at once ?
Ervan Wimberly: Wal-Mart will be first. Mr. Schneider then commented: We can go
several ways on this, as far as putting in transformers. We can put in one transformer
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to serve Wal-Mart and future retail to the West and possibly another transformer for the
grocery and future retail to the East. It would look better to go underground because I
know for the Wal-Mart store we will be using four (4) large cables and it won't look real
nice going across the road, plus we would have to put in some other poles on the other
side of the road. The cable is too heavy to come in from the existing pole. If you go
underground the policy is that we will furnish the cable and the transformer but you would
have to build the concrete pad and furnish two (2) four (4) inch plastic conduits, plus
also cut across the road and back fill and we would pull the cable through it. It would
probably be better to put concrete on top of the plastic where you go under the road, and
going into the transformer pad we would require four (4) inch rigid steel ninety degree
(90) angle. Do you know what voltage they will be wanting? Will they be going 120-240
or 120-208? Ervan Wimberly: I really don't know. Mr. Schneider: What about the lighting
you will have on the parking lot? Wimberly: They will furnish their own. Schneider: If
they do decide to go underground the only way to get 3-phase, pad -mount transformers is
with 120-208, and there will be some underground contracts to be signed. We can either
build them and serve each building across the road and let each one pay for it or come in
there and put in a large enough transformer to take care of both. Wimberly: I feel that
they will want to go overhead Schneider: We will just build in to serve each building
then
7. Bobbie Jones (Planning Administrator): Some of the parking spaces drawn in are
on the property of Gulf so we will need an agreement in writing on that and the
Planning Commission will have to approve it as off-site parking. You need 773
parking spaces and I counted 779. You have sufficient right-of-way on Highway 62, but
we need an additional 5 feet on Old Farmington Road and that affects your setback.
Mr. Wimberly: This is the one thing they would like to discuss. They will give the
5 feet if you take the setback from the existing right-of-way. Mrs. Jones: That would
involve a Board of Adjustment appeal. It might be possible to work that out. I am
not going to say whether it will or will not. Can the semi -trucks get into this loading
area without either having to back onto or off of the street? Wimberly: No problem.
Mrs. Jones: Is this a street almost opposite the most western driveway off Old Farmington
Road? Wimberly: There is a gravel road that goes up the side of the Fayetteville
West Campus and it goes up to a house. Mrs. Jones: I don't believe this meets the
minimum separation between the driveway and the intersection. This is in Clayton Powell's
field and I assume he will cover it. (Mr. B. A. Shamblin was present to represent
another natter and, ,; arrived early. He stated that this legal description made no
rererence_toRoot Avenue.)Mrs. Jones: I need a confirmation on the date that Gulf
purchased that portion of the property. There is a memo from Wally Brt of the
Sanitation Department that needs to be put into the minutes. It is as follows:
"I may not be able to attend the Plat Review Committee Meeting on 8-29-74. My
comments on the proposed Wal-Mart building are:
Locate at least one Lo -Dal container (they may need 2) where it is easy for us
to get to. It requires about a 75 ft. radius to turn the tender truck around in. We
require up to 21 -ft. overhead clearance while dumping. This should be clear of wires
or overhead obstacles of any kind.
The pad site should be in an area which is not blocked by parking. It can
be in a loading area if we can get into it.
The containers should be set on pads 8 ft. by 10 ft. and the pads should be either:
4 inches reinforced concrete
or
6 inches un -reinforced concrete."
Mr. Wimberly then commented: Wal-Mart will not use any kind of local garbage pick-up.
They have a trash bailing machine and they bail everything that comes out. The other
stores we will just have to wait. Mrs. Jones: There could be one pad put behind each
building and come in that way. Mr. Wimberly: With a 25 foot drive there should be
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plenty of room to put a pad at the corner of each building. Mr. McWhorter then
commented: I don't think they will want to put in a burner because it costs too
much. They can't burn their trash unless it is a pollution -free method. Mrs. Jones:
I have -one more point. I don't have a Plat Book with me that shows the Bypass, but
:there used to be a street called Root Avenue that I believe runs along the West side
of this property. Mr. Wimberly: That shows up on one Plat Book somewhere, but any
record of dedication I have not been able to find, it isn't even used. Mrs. Jones:
Let me check with the City Attorney; he may feel that to avoid any kind of a future
cloud on it we may want to close it. I don't foresee any problem in getting it closed,
but of course, I don't have any authority to say whether it can or cannot be. I think
those are the only questions I have. The setback from the West property line is
sufficient regardless. (In answer to a question asked by Mr. Wimberly, Mr. B. A. Shamblin
stated that the legal description made no reference to Root Avenue.) Mrs. Jones: As
soon as I hear from Paul Mattke I will send you a copy of his comments.
Randy Schneider: If Root Avenue does not turn out to be a road, we will need a utility
easement.
7. Larry Wood (Planning Consultant) (Not present, but submitted comments later):
Sufficient right-of-way should be dedicated to meet the Major Street Plan. It looks
as if the Westernmost access point onto Old Farmington Road might conflict with the
traffic from West Campus. I feel the curb cuts onto Highway 62 are spaced too tight
(too closely together).
8. Paul Mattke:(City Engineer) (Not present, but submitted comments later).
The water main shown along Old Farmington Road stops at the fire hydrant which is
about near the Vocational West Campus. As far as lowering lines, we will be happy
to lower them at the developers cost. The sewer line --there is not much that can be
done about it. Our mapping does not show it running quite where they show it. We do
not like the idea of them paving over it. If they have to pave over it, we want a
written agreement from them that they will bear any increase in cost due to us having
to remove and replace asphalt if the line has to be repaired or replaced. We need
to take a 24 -inch water line down the East line of this property. We would like a
25 -ft. wide easement down the East side of this property.
There were no more comments; therefore, the discussion on the proposed Wal-Mart
was concluded.
The next item for discussion was the proposed Orthopaedic Clinic,
Development, on Township Road. Mr. B. A. Shamblin was present to
Comments were as follows:
1. Charles McWhorter (Fire Chief): Is this a one-story
building? B. A. Shamblin: The entrance will be on
ground level. There will be a basement; the records will
be kept in the basement. Mr. McWhorter: There will have
to be some fire hydrants put in somewhere. It looks as if it could be farther than
about a 1,000 foot to a line. Paul Mattke will have to work that out. Mr. Shamblin:
I'm sure that it would be quite alright to have a fire hydrant in the corner of the
parking lot, it you could come off of Overcrest or back in there somewhere with it.
Mr. McWhorter: Is 25 ft. wide enough for a private drive? Bobbie Jones: I don't
have minimum width.
Large Scale
represent.
ORTHOPAEDIC -CLINIC,` LTD.
Township Rd.
B.A.Shamblin
L. S. D.
2. Clyde Terry (Warner Cable): We already have an easement down the back of the
lots on Juneway Terrace. Do you think they will request T.V. service. Mr. Shamblin:
I don't think so; I don't think they have given any thought to this. Mr. Terry: Let
me leave it this way then. We do have service to the East on that pole line, and if
they do want T.V. service we will have to work out something with them for conduit
to get into the utility room and also a conduit network to serve where they want the
outlet. Mr. Shamblin: If they do want the service they should incorporate this
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into their plan. I assume they will want all of their utilities underground because
they want an attractive place. I think they will want the highest quality at the
lowest cost.
3. Frank O'Donnell (Arkansas Western Gas): We have a service in the in the same
easement. If they go underground I would suggest they make some provisions to use
the PVC and sleeve it where it goes under the driveway or they can go around to make
an entry.
4. Roy Hawkins (Southwestern Bell Telephone): We are quite willing to go conduit.
It would be better to go direct burial. We will need to service this area from
Township Road. They have a great deal of area they they are not putting anything on.
Do you know what they are going to do with the rest of it? Mr. Shamblin: I don't
really know. At the present time they are only concerned with their building, but
in the future other doctors offices or facilities might be located there and this
should be kept in mind when you are coming in with the service. Mr. Hawkins: In
this situation it will be better if we go direct burial off of Township Road and
in doing this I would like to have a 10 :foot utility easement along the East side
of their entrance driveway. Mr. Shamblin: If later on another building is built
on the property and they had to widen the private drive and change it to a public
street instead, what kind of bind would we be in,in widening it to the West?
Mr. Hawkins: If we had to move the cable and are in a utility easement it would
be at the cost of the people. In a case like this what would the requirements be,
Mrs. Jones? 'A'minimum of 50 feet. Mr. Hawkins: As far as going into the building,
we don't have any building plans, but if we supply the service to these people we
will have to have an equipment room of some type. If we have to cross a driveway to
get to the equipment room we will need a conduit under the driveway.
5. Randy Schneider (SWEPCO): I assume they will want underground service. They
have 120 -240 --That's the way underground transformers aremade. Mr: Shamblin':- I
really don't know,. .I assume that they will because they will be having some fairly
sophisticated equipment. Randy Schneider: What size meter loop will they want and
will they want outside lighting? Mr. Shamblin: They will want some type of outside
lighting. Mr. Schneider: I'realiy'don't know how we will come in to serve this.
Our services on Township son't go as far East as their driveway entrance. It would
help if when they decide what they will do with the rest of their property to sketch
it in so that we can see what is the best way to come in and serve it. I was thinking
we might be able to come up from College and get an easement and come up with a pole
line there. We don't serve that end of Overcrest. I'll do some checking to see
which way we want to go and which way would be the cheapest for them.
6. Bobbie Jones(Planning Administrator): This will have to be rezoned. They may
be asked to consider a lesser zone than they have requested. In the R-2 Zone there
can only be four doctors and it is a conditional use. The setbacks are okay. I will
need the parking spaces actually drawn in - one space for each 300 square feet of
building space. In time if they make a decision to divide the property, don't divide
it up without checking back with us. Township Road is a minor arterial street on the
Major Street Plan requiring 80 feet of right-of-way. There is presently 40 feet. An
additional 20 foot of right-of-way is needed. This property may be in an area where
they have low water pressure. I don't have Mr. Mattke and Mr. Powell's comments.
What about trash service? They may have to go with a Lo -Dal container and if they
do we will need to know where the pad for it will be located. It takes a 75 foot
radius to turn the tender truck around and they do have to have 21 foot overhead
clearance for dumping. It takes 15 feet width to get the truck through. If they
ever decide to make this private drive into a street, part of it may have to be concrete
at that time because of the grade. The Board of Directors will not approve the
Large Scale Development until the right-of-way is given.
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7. Paul Mattke (City Engineer): Water is no problem. We have a 6 -inch water line
in Township Road. .:The meter will have to be on Township Road. Water is not available
from College Avenue ---it is across on the West side under the pavement. The nearest
sewer is also under College Avenue, so they cannot get access to sewer from College
Avenue because it is under the pavement. Their engineer will have to check and see if
they have sufficient grade to get into the sewer on Karyn Avenue. I don't think they
can get into the sewer on Overcrest Street. If they cannot get into sewer, I do not
recommend septic tanks for a commercial or business usage.
There were no more comments and the discussion was concluded.
The next topic for discussion was a lot split and addition
to single family dwelling at 1611 Mission, Litle to
Shackleford. Comments were as follows:
1. Clyde Terry (Warner Cable): No problem. Will work with
Mr. Box, the builder, on this.
2. Frank O'Donnell (Arkansas Western Gas): You don't know of
have? Mr. Box: The air conditioning will stay the same. Mr.
comments.
3. Roy Hawkins(Southwestern Bell Telephone): No problem.
4. Charles McWhorter (Fire Chief) No -problems.
LITLE TO SHACKLEFORD
Lot Split $ Addition to
Single Family Dwelling
1611 Mission
any gas problems you might
O'Donnell: No further
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;(SWEPCO):No'problems.
6. Bobbie Jones:(Planning Administrator) There is 60 feet of right-of-way across the
front on part of the property, and we need 80 feet, so there is a requirement of 10 feet
of additional right-of-way; 40 feet from the center line or 10 feet either side. The
only other question .I have on the lot split is that the lines go right against the
—building and the line. They will have a hard time keeping; up with the property line
if they ever sell it. I want to talk to Mr. Lieberenz, Mr. Powell, and Mr. Mattke
and get back to you on this.
7r.. Paul Mattke (City Engineer)':) Sewer goes down the West side of the property. There
is no problem on this. They can get into sewer by either crossing the creek and getting
into it to the West or by going out to the Highway and getting to it. Water is available
from Highway 45, Lunsford, and Applebury. They will have relatively low pressure; I would
recommend all plumbing be increased one pipe size in diameter to compensate for low
pressure. I question the advisability of a lot split that will immediately cause
non -conforming setbacks.
8. Larry Wood (Planning Consultant --Not present, but telephoned): Sufficient lot
width should be left on the balance of the property to allow for a 50 foot street with
cul-de-sac.
There was no further discussion.
Meeting was adjourned at 11:15A.M.
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