HomeMy WebLinkAbout1973-09-19 MinutesPresent: Bobbie Jones, Wally Brt, Paul Mattke, Clayton Powell.
Utility Representatives Present: Clyde Terry, Herbert Holcomb, Jack Whitting,
Frank O'Donnell, David Tucker..
Developers and/or Engineers: David & Carolyn Rose, Neal Albright, Dayton Stratton,
Thomas 0. Duncan(interested third party).
The first matter discussed was the proposed Preliminary Plat of Rosewood ROSEWOOD ESTATES
Estates Addition, David M & Carolyn Anne Rose, Owners; Mr. & Mrs. Rose Preliminary Plat
and Neal Albright, their engineer, were present to represent the plat.
Mr. Albright submitted a written request for three variances: 1) Omit
sidewalks; 2) Maximum length of dead-end streets; and 3) Excessive grades
on street. Comments and requirements were as follows:
1. Paul Mattke: I have met with Neal Albright concerning the availability
of water and sewer for this addition. He has the information to proceed
with the design. There is basically no problem; it is within reasonable
distance; it just needs to be extended Wand through the site by the
developer. As soon as he has engineering plans prepared, I am ready to
review them. When he gets his final water and sewer plans, we may need
some additional right-of-way, depending on how he is going to serve it.
Mr. Mattke asked for a set of other utility and drainage plans with the
water and sewer plans.
2. Clayton Powell: I have already met with Neal Albright, the engineer for
this project. In his letter of September 18, he has pointed out the
variances required I will state that due to the low density and nature
of this subdivision, I don't see any problem with waiving the maximum length
for a dead end oul de sac street which is'500 ft. In this case, the 15%
grade for a distance in excess of 300 ft.; again with the concrete street
construction, adequate base material and storm drainage, I see no problem
with the land use which is low density residential. The only times he should
have heavy traffic in there is when the homes are built and people are
moving in.
This is where the City has run into a critical problem ---the storm drainage
will have to be brought back out onto the surface of the existing streets
to the North to be carried off. This will add to the rapid deterioration
of those streets. As these existing streets are extended or existing
subdivisions are extended, we are going to have more of this accute type
problem. This points out deficencies in the past.
Mr. Thomas 0. Duncan, 2749 Elizabeth, owns a lot East of the proposed
development. He was present to ask some questions about drainage. He
said a big portion of the run-off will come right down through his and his
neighbor's property. He agreed with Mr. Powell that this is the natural
course of the run-off now. Mr. Duncan said he did not object to the plat,
was proud Mr. Rose was making such large lots so he would not be cutting
many trees, but was concerned about the drainage. He explained how he and
his neighbor had put in drain tile and concrete to try to deal with the
drainage problem and that at one time water had gotten up to the foundation
of his house.
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The Fayetteville Plat Review Committee met at 1:30 P.M., Wednesday, September 19,
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Mr. Powell added that he thought the utility people would want widen
utility easements to the North and East because the City will have to
carry some of the drainage out through easements instead of storm dra
the full length of those existing streets (Sheryl, Oaks Manor, and others
We've got to have the routes to take it. There is an existing 10 ft.
easement (in other subdivisions); I would like that widened to a minimum
of 20 ft., preferably 25 ft. You need 25 ft. to get in with a tractor or
you can never get anything done.
This is by no means approval of the street plans and profiles which the
engineer has attached to the preliminary plat. He has proposed to make a
divided access lane with one way in and one way out with a median for
mailboxes.
As far as the specific variances requested: I have no objection to the
length of the dead-end or cul street and I have no objection to the grade
as long as adequate base material and proper concrete construction of that
portion is provided. The sidewalks is a matter for the Board of Directors
to deal with; they haven't resolved final policies on sidewalks yet.
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2. Larry Wood: Mr. Wood was not present, but had called the Planning Office.
He wanted more opportunity to look at the plat. He is trying to find out
the ownership of property in this area. He knowsit is all cut up in
difficult pieces of property to work withand wants to reserve his comments
until he has checked into that.
Mr. Powell interjected that he thought this would be a highly desirable
residential enclave. For Mr. Rose's own benefit, he suggested he consider
discontinuing the streets _ " before he gets to his property line,
so that commercial traffic and traffic from other subdivisions cannot in
the future be routed through there. One street does discontinue short of
the property line, but the other one culs out into the adjoining property.
Mr. Powell suggested terminating that street within his property. Mr. Rose
said the cul de sac had been located because there was a flat area there,
rather than to have the cul de sac on the slope. Mr. Rose said the property
adjoining there is all owned by one man and he has no intention of doing
anything about putting a through street through there. His other access
is dubious because part of it belongs to someone else.
Bobbie Jones added that she thought Mr. Wood would have some comments
concerning taking streets through to the property lines to allow access
into adjoining properties.
3. Wally Brt: Cannot get sanitation trucks up there in icy weather. Mr. Brt
said, -"If we are fortunate enough to get up there, then God help us coming
down!" We should be able to get up there once a week, though.
4. Clyde Terry: The telephone company has a blanket easement that will also
cover us.
5. David Tucker: I have already talked to Neal Albright. We requested an
easement to serve Lots 4 through 6 because we have an overhead pole line
joining Ozarks Electric that will serve Lots 1, 2, 3, 8, 9, and 10. So
really all we are talking about is Lots 415, 6, and 7. Mr. Tucker requested
25 ft. wide easements between Lots 2 and 3; and between Lots 6 and 7 and
Lot 5. He requested a 20 ft. wide easement on the South. side of Lots 3, 4,
and 5, all the way around Lot 5 to Lot 7. Mr. Rose asked if he could get
by on a 20 ft. easement. Mr. Tucker said that he had asked for the 25 ft.
easement because this is heavily wooded, and that if they confine him to
too narrow a space he has no choice but to take out trees. If they have
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enough room, they try to work around the trees. Mr. Rose asked for his
assurance they would do this and Nr. Tucker said they would try to do
their best. If at some time in the future, they did not need the easement
around Lots 3, 4, and 5, it might could be closed.
6. Jack Whitting: In addition to the other easements requested by the
telephone company, Ozarks Electric requests a 15 ft. easement off the
street right-of-way around the South cul de sac.' Mr. Rose requested that
in this area the electric and telephone try to get their lines a little
deeper than usual.
7. Frank O'Donnell: Arkansas Western Gas would come up between Lots 2 and 3
and dead end at the Southeast corner of Lot 7 and would come down the cul
de sac part way and pick up Lot 4. We would hope to use the same easement
requested by Arkansas Western Gas and would dead end somewhere across the
draw. We could come down along the streets behind the curbs and serve
that way, but the cost would be considerably more to the developer.
7. Bobbie Jones: Asked about street names. Mr. Rose said they would like to
be able to have the addresses be No. 1 Rosewood Estates, No. 2 Rosewood
Estates, etc. Paul Mattke explained that if that was done here, then it
would have to be done on Others and soon you would have no numbering or
naming system either. David Tucker said this would be a real problem
for the Fire Department and for all utility companies when every little
subdivision has a peculiar street name to it and somebody has a fire.
Mr. Mattke said that Sheryl should run North and South in the subdivision.
Mr. Powell said the action of the Planning Commission and Board of Directors on this
subdivision will be a precedent case. He realized that Fayetteville has streets
with an excess of 15% grade and very much in excess of 300 ft. According to our
present policy, etc. land with grades in excess of 15% cannot be developed.
Mr. Rose said his intent was to try to keep the subdivision in its natural state.
Bobbie Jones requested a copy of the plat containing the signatures of the
adjoining property owners before it goes to the Planning Commission and a revised
copy of the plat showing the easements and any corrections he has been asked to
make and that this be a black -line copy.
Fire Chief McWhorter called latter and said that he did not particularly like those
cul de sacs, but they are legal. He would prefer streets to connect.
Next the Large Scale Development for the East 16 Animal was discussed. EAST 16 ANIMAL
Dayton Stratton was present to represent this development. Comments HOSP. LSD
were as follows:
1. Paul Mattke: They will tie to existing on-site water and sewer. There is
no problem.
2. Wallace Brt: No problem.
3. Clayton Powell: This is just an expansion of an existing developed area.
There will be no new streets. Any drainage problems that may be created
by this new building will be on private property; therefore the Street
Department has no problems.
4. Clyde Terry: TV cable not involved.
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5. David Tucker: Telephone company has no problems.
6. Jack Whitting: Ozarks Electric has no problems.
7. Frank O'Donnell: Gas company has no problems.
The next item for discussion was the request by the Northwest National Bank
to place a temporary building on a site at 3500 North College Avenue. No one
was present to represent the request. Comments were as follows:
1. Paul Mattke: Liked this location for a temporary facility much more
than the one where they wanted to put it before at the southeast
corner of Millsap and College Avenue.
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bldg.
2. Clayton Powell: Millsap Road exists. They have proposed to develop
a 30 ft. wide street to City Street Standards (current). I am still
waiting on their answer on their proposal to improve Millsap from
Highway 71 to their property line. Street plans and profiles have been
approved. I have no objection to the location of a mobile temporary
bank.
3. David Tucker: They will have to buy and set a pole themselves for
us to attach to. We will not attach to a mobile home on a long span.
4. Herbert Holcomb: How do they propose to handle parking and driving up
to it? (No answer). SWEPCO can furnish electrical power off Millsap
Road ---there is presently a transformer down there. The pole the tele-
phone company uses could be used for electrical power. To do that, the
pole would have to be in excess of 25 ft. tall above grade and ade-
quately guyed. They would have to build their own meter service on the
electric pole.
5. Frank O'Donnell: Gas company can probably serve them from Millsap Road.
6. Bobbie Jones: Temporary building will not meet zoning setbacks. I feel
it should be processed through the Board of Adjustment for a variance.
The next item was a request for a lot split, Mr. Warren West. No one was present LOT SPLII
to represent the request. Comments were as follows: Warren West
1. David Tucker: I asked to review this Warren & Pauline West property and
the reason for it was that I wanted to know what they are going to do with
Township Road. After talking to Mr. Herbert Holcomb, I withdraw that
request. If they come in with a subdivision, we would like some kind of
right-of-way along the South. We are still hoping that Township Road will
be opened up East some day.
Herbert Holcomb: We have no objections to the waiver. We have present
facilities, because of his cooperation in the past, to be able to serve the
lots adequately.
3. Clyde Terry: No problem. We will join with power and telephone and will
ride their poles in where necessary.
4. Clayton Powell: Feel they should follow the full procedures for it
regardless of size. If it is going to be a subdivision we need to adequately
administrate it and adequate administration includes going before all the boards
and committees. Even though Old Wire Road is an existing paved street, it is a
minor arterial street on the Major Street Plan with an 80 ft. right-of-way
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requirement with dedication to be 40 ft. from the centerline of the existing
right -of -may. As a note to the Planning Commission, please point out with
all humility, that last week when they committed the City to do surveying
of private property to insure that we had adequate street right-of-way,
ordinances state that property owners are responsible for establishing
their property lines. That is in an ordinance and if we have to go out and
survey or engineer for everybody that wants a building permit, we need about
200 people in our engineering department.
5. Paul Mattke: Water is available from Old Wire Road. Sewer is available
from Old Wire Road. Sewer is available from the South edge of his property.
I suggest he record an easement across the back of proposed Lots 1, 2, and
3 and an easement across the remaining portion he is 'retaining, so that
these lots will be able to connect to sewer. They will have to run an
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individual sewer service for each lot or the City sewer main will have to
�.; be extended to the lots and a suitable dedication of easements made. They
should connect to public sewer; I think that is a must.
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p 6. Frank O'Donnell: Gas service is on the opposite side of Old Wire Road and
we would insist on a 10 ft. easement across the front of each of those lots
back of the additional street right-of-way needed.
7. Larry Wood: Should ask for right-of-way for Old Wire Road and Township
Road.
8. Charles McWhorter: Can't say that his putting 3 lots on Old Wire Road
would bother us. It would be nice to have Township Road tie to Winwood.
9. Bobbie Jones: This was referred to the Plat Review because I was concerned
about approving a lot split myself because of rights-of-way needed and also
easements.
The next item was also a request for a lot split, Mr. William B Carmichael. LOT SPLIT
No one was present to represent the request. Comments were as follows: William
Carmichael
1. David Tucker: No objection.
2. Herbert Holcomb: SWEPCO has no objection. He will execute the pro-
posed 15 ft. easement as a private easement to us of allow us to
serve him.
3. Clyde Terry: No problem on TV cable. We will join with power and tele-
phone and ride their poles in where necessary.
4. Clayton Powell: Feel they should follow the full subdivision procedures
for it regardless of size. If it is going to be a subdivision we need
to adequately administrate it and adequate administration includes going
before all the board and committees. Winwood Drive is a collector street
by use (Major Street Plan designates is as residential). Highway 45 is
a principal arterial requiring a 100 ft. right-of-way. In that area, we
only have 50 ft. of right-of-way. We need a dedication of 50 ft. of
right -of -may from the centerline of the existing right-of-way. There
shouldn't be any street development connected with these lots, but the
dedication of the additional right-of-way is very necessary.
5. Paul Mattke: Request that there be a 10 ft. easement, 5 ft. either side
of the lot line between each lot, so if the property to the rear splits
they can get in with sewer and water. It is a suggestion, not a re-
quirement, that they include in the deeds a private easement to bring
utilities across.
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6. Larry Wood: Ask for right-of-way and easements.
7. Charles McWhorter: Does not affect me.
8. Bobbie Jones: This was referred to the P1arReview Committee because of
the easements and right-of-way question.
The next item for discussion was the Large Scale Development submitted by Pat Tobin. PAT
No one was present to represent the development. Comments were as follows: TOBIN
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1. David Tucker: No problem.
2. Herbert Holcomb: Facilities are presently in place. We would prefer
that the variance be grated because we have built to serve his other
buildings. We are as close to that creek as we can get and the line is
already in place.
3. Clyde Terry: We do not have TV cable facilities for that as of now.
4. Paul Mattke: He should connect this building to public sewer. He may
be planning to do so; but I think it should be a requirement. If it is
not to be connected to public sewer, not only should the variance not be
granted, but further utilization should be prohibited. No comments
on the variance requested other than that. Water service is available
from Township Road. All his existing buildings are already on sewer.
5. Clayton Powell: Township Road is designated a minor arterial street.
Driveway accesses ---this portion of Township Road is a State highway. He
• will have to have his driveway permit and driveway tile sized by the
State Highway Maintenance Office in Springdale. The parking lot should
be separated from the street by curb and gutter which was not ennumerated
from his last building and was not included in construction. This
requirement has been imposed on other builders and developers on Township
Road and we think it only fair that is be required for this building.
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6. Frank O'Donnell: Gas facilities ends about 40 ft. -East of Sublet Creek.
If he desires gas service, we.will just work it out as it comes up.
7. Larry Wood: Building appears to be right on the property line. We will
have trouble meeting 25 ft. side setback on that lot. The parking on
his existing building is perpendicular on the plan. This one shows
angular parking with circulation out of the other parking lot. He has a
conflict. I think it would be better to have the parking all the same.
8. Bobbie Jones: Former City Attorney, David Malone, prepared a street deed
on Mr. Tobin's property for 40 ft. from the centerline of Township Road.
Ism not sure if it covers the full width of his property. A variance will
be necessary from the Board of Adjustment.
The meeting was adjourned at 3:30 P.M.