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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1973-05-14 MinutesMINUTES OF A SPECIAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING The Fayetteville Planning Commission met in a special session in the Central Fire Station, 303 West Center_ Street, Fayetteville, Arkansas, at 7:30 P.M., May 14, 1973. Members Present: Ernest Jacks, Helen Edmiston, Morton Gitelman, Roy Clinton, Donald Nickell, Christine Childress, John Maguire Members Absent: Al Hughes (A vacancy exists on the Commission). Others Present: Ray White, Brenda Blagg, David McWethy, Ken Riley, Joe Foster, Robert T. Allen, Ernest C. Deane, P. L. Herron, Mrs. E. K. Hooper, 0. W. "Gus" Ostmeyer, Ruth Ostmeyer, L. M. McGoodwin, Jim Clark, Louise Kreamer, I. B. Arnold, Jim Dahler, Rawleigh Rails, Roy B. Allen, Leo Peel, W. Stout, Larry B. Handy, Al Donaubauer, Walter Brown, Richard Williams, Joseph M. Clark and wife, City Manager Donald Grimes, Charlie Kent, David Randle, Mr. & Mrs. Lloyd McConnell, Suzanne Lighton, Mr. Ray, John Williams, Tommy McHail, Reed Greenwood, Tom Lavender, Evangeline Archer, Mrs. Huntington, Pat Neeley, Ray Trammell, Robert A. Braden, Dr. Claude Faulkner, Harriet Janama, Mrs. Isabel Watts, Dr. C. Dwight Dodson, Mr. Dean, Theodore E. Guhman, Dr. DePalma, Virginia Howard, Dick Siegel, Herman D. Johnson, and others. Chairman Roy Clinton called the meeting to order. He advised the MAJOR STREET PLAN audience that the purpose of this meeting is to hold a public hearing AMENDMENTS to consider a proposed map to amend the City's Major Street Plan. He Public Hearing said that Arkansas Statute 19-2829 of Act 186 of 1957 as amended authorized cities to adopt regulations controlling the development of land. Chairman Clinton turned the meeting over to Ken Riley, Director of the Northwest Arkansas Regional Planning Commission, who made some introductory remarks. Mr. Riley said the Regional Planning Commission was established in 1966 to work with the local governments in Washington and Benton Counties. They have provided liason to the Fayetteville Planning Commission, Board of Directors, and Planning Consultant. The proposal on which this particular public hearing is being held is an internal system to serve Fayetteville - Springdale area. This was considered as a unit because of the rapid urbanizing. In order for the plan to be meaningful, it must be a statement of official policy that we all can live with and abide by. He agreed that there would be no unanimous agreement about each street on the plan. To implement the plan, there must first be agreement on the plan. That plan may then be modified from time to time, but it has to reflect official policy until it is revised and builders, home owners, and drivers read the same thing into the same plan. If the plan is not good, then we amend it. It must mean something to the community in terms of programming, improvements, and investments in homes and property. Implementation is the most critical area that has had misunderstanding. Fayetteville has had a major street plan for the past 13 years that has been implemented by the governing body. It has resulted in streets like Rolling Hills Drive as a collector street and Highway 16 By-pass to the South, so implementation has been taking place as • • Planning Commission 5-14-73 -2- new subdivision and development occurs. Many of the streets in the older parts of the community have been on a designated arterial or collector street category since the 1960 plan was adopted, and the rights -Of -way required as - minimums hold over until today. We have not seen a swath cut through the hillside by bulldozers by that plan. Again in 1970 the Planning Commission wrestled with the traffic increase that occurred in that decade and more streets were added to the official Major Street Plan which was revised in 1970. Mr. Riley said the Fayetteville -Springdale Transportation Study'had_ personally interviewed people about their driving habits and had taken traffic counts on streets to see if they agreed with the reports obtained in the personal interviews, then they had used an Arkansas Highway Department computer to figure traffic patterns. They found that fewer miles of street pattern would be capable of carrying the traffic. So everything in this proposed revised plan is based(on? information gathered in the study of driving habits and the City's adopted statement of land use. Mr. Riley reviewed the various classifications of streets on the proposed plan. The Freeway/Expressway is to be used for fairly rapid movement of traffic within an urban area. This is needed if the growth continues at its present rate for the next two decades. The Principal Arterial streets are Highwayt7iS,'Highway 16, Highway 62, Crossover Road (Highway 265), Garland Avenue from the Hy -pass South to North Street, and Wedington, North Street, and Highway 45 out to Highway 265. Each of those routes is on the currently adopted Major Street Plan and the Study group concurred with those classifications. In new growth areas where it is desirable to construct that route as a divided facility with medians to provide for left -turn bays the right-of-way needed would be 100 ft. In built-up areas or where a divided facility would not be required, the desirable right-of-way minimum would be 80 ft. This would allow for four 12 -ft. lanes with no parking and with separation for utilities, landscaping, and sidewalks on an 80 ft. right-of-way. That is the minimum desirable so when we have an opportunity to plan for the growth of the community in terms of public facility needs. Certain segments of our existing street^systems are beyond safe capacity of those streets to carry the traffic. Minor arterials are recommended for an 80 ft. right-of-way and an undivided facility. Those three options are available for the two classifications of arterial routes and should be carrying the traffic for 1990 that would require 4 -lanes divided with some kind of left-turncontrol in order to move the traffic efficiently and effectively. Collector streets are recommended for a 60 ft. minimum right-of-way. The function of the collector street is to pick the traffic up in residential areas and funnel it to an arterial as quickly as possible so the collector doesn't end up as a major arterial. This somewhat defies specific definition in terms of vehicles to be carried. I£ land -locked subdivision needs access to an arterial street then its connector is classified as a collector street. The collector streets shown on the adopted Major Street Plan are functioning as collector streets as a result of our traffic counts. In the future growth areas, we have attempted to identify areas where additional -streets Will be required to move the traffic as it is generated;if it is developed as planned. The plan is flexible. It has to be flexible to change with the changing times. Some recommendations are the result of changes. Public hearings will be held • Planning Commission 5-14-73 -3- from time to time, possibly once a year, to take care of changes. Mr. Riley next pointed out some of the changes between the existing Major Street Plan and the proposal. Zion Road on the West side of Highway 71 over to Johnson Road and extending westward has been recommended for removal. A compelling reason for this recommendation is the fact that Northwest Arkansas Plaza is built where this right-of-way should cross. There is an obvious need for some East-West movement in this area. Stearns Road is an addition to the Major Street Plan and is designed to match up with an existing major arterial to the East. That will serve the link from Highway 71 over to Johnson Road as a replacement. of Zion Road. Rolling Hills Drive is currently classified as a major arterial with the idea of connecting it East and West to Johnson Road and Crossover Road. Some subdivision activity has taken place which provides for a 60 ft. right-of-way just East of Stubblefield Road extended. It is recommended that that be the link for the connection between Old Missouri Road and Crossover Road. The existing plan would not be compatible because of Butterfield School, a proposed nursing home and other developments. Right-of-way has been obtained to serve the function of Rolling Hills Drive extended on the West side of Highway 71 and just South of Rolling Hills Drive. This would be for a collector. The existing Major Street Plan has indicated on it a number of routes in strictly rural areas. These are recommended for removal until such time as the development process becomes close enough to identify the needs based on land use practices then current. Township Road from Old Wire Road to Crossover Road is currently a major arterial. It is recommended that it serve a collector function, and that Old Wire Road from Crossover Road to Old Missouri Road be added as a minor arterial. It is presently serving that function and right-of-way should be required if subdivision activity takes place along its route. On Johnson Road and Gregg Avenue there is currently a pair, of one-way roads shown parallelling the railroad tracks indicated from Johnson Road down to Highway 62. Some development decisions have been made which precludes the obtaining of that right-of-way for a divided one-way pair to serve that through traffic need. That need continues to exist and it is recommended that that route be on the East side of the railroad tracks from Prospect Street North and that South of Prospect Street it be on the West side of the tracks. Prospect Street is presently shown on the Major Street Plan as a collector street and there is no change recommended, although for a time it was considered as a possible minor arterial. Dickson Street is proposed as a major arterial from the East edge of the University campus to Highway 71; it is presently shown as a collector. In the downtown area some additions to the Major Street Plan have been suggested. These are in keeping with the adopted Urban Renewal Plan for the downtown area. Razorback is proposed as a minor arterial instead of a collector. Center Street, California, and LeRoy Pond are proposed to be changed from a collector to a minor arterial. An extension from Assembly to Crossover Road is an addition to the Major Street Plan. This is in addition to the extension of Rockwood Trail which is currently on the Major Street Plan and for which no change is recommended. It serves as a collector street and will continue to serve as a collector street because that is the only way for traffic to get in and out. There are also some large removals and some short additions proposed in the rural areas. Planning Commission 5-14-73 -4- After a plan is adopted, then the next step is to try to determine what specific improvements, if any, are necessary in the next 5 years. Many of the existing streets, Maple for example, can continue to function as it is now as a collector street with very little change within the present curb lines. This does not mean that you have to have a 60 ft. right-of-way, nor does it mean that you have to have a 48 ft. street with parking. It could mean two 12 -ft. lanes with no parking or two 11 -ft. lanes with no parking, or it could mean reserving what we have and allowing it to continue to function as a collector street. We must figure what the cost is, what the priorities are to move the traffic most effectively with the least impact on the community. At 8:30 P.M. Mr. Riley turned the meeting back to Chairman Clinton. Chairman Clinton asked the people not to take a purely negative attitude but to offer suggestions. A member of the audience wanted to know who had served on the Fayetteville - Springdale Transportation Policy Committee and where these people were from. Mr. Riley said the Committee had been composed of Fayetteville Board of Director Member R. L. Utley, former Fayetteville Mayor Joe Fred Starr, Mayor Russell Purdy succeeding Mayor Starr, Fayetteville City Manager Donald Grimes, the Mayor of Springdale, Chairman of the Springdale Planning Commission, Jerry Clark of the Springdale City Council, Administrative Vice -President of the University of Arkansas Charles Oxford, Ken Riley resident of Fayetteville, District Engineer of Arkansas Highway Department Curtis Pangle of Harrison, Joe Foster from Little Rock with the Arkansas Highway Department. There was one other person from the State working with them. The Committee was later expanded to include the Fayetteville City Attorney David Malone, Street Superintendent Clayton Powell, and the City Engineer Paul Mattke who lives in Greenland. Chairman Clinton asked that comments and suggestions be given by geographical segments to avoid confusion and asked for comments from the audience on the area lying North of the By-pass and North of Stearns Road. There were no state- ments from the audience on this area. The next area discussed was on the East side of Highway 71 and South of Stearns Road South to Highway 45. Robert T. Allen, 1502 Rolling Hills Drive, asked for an explanation of what is going to be done to Rolling Hills Drive. He was told nothing would be done to it. It is recommended for removal as a minor arterial street and changed to a collector street which is the function it is currently serving. Leo Van Scyoc, Old Wire Road North, asked if Old Wire Road to Crossover Road would be a minor arterial instead of a collector street. He was told that Old Wire Road is currently a minor arterial and no change is recommended. Ernest C. Deane, 910 Arlington Terrace, said he had submitted a written statement and wanted some assurance that it had been received and would be in the record. Chairman Clinton acknowledged that this statement had been received and asked that this be so noted. P. L. Herron, 804 Mission Street, asked what is planned for Mission. Ken Riley said Mission Street has been on the Major Street Plan since 1960 as a major arterial and no change is recommended. Mrs. E. K. Hooper, 827 East Township, asked if it is planned to widen Township Road East of Highway 71 again. Mr. Riley said it is presently shown as an arterial street and no change is recommended. 0. W. "Gus" Ostmeyer, 1140 East Township Road, asked if it is the intent to widen Township. Chairman Clinton said he thought this is what most people are concerned with. Primarily this covers where homes are being constructed r Planning Commission 5-14-73 -5- or where an addition is being made to a home on an older street. In the new areas when people bring in subdivision plats, the Major Street Plan helps determine where the streets should be. Mr. Riley said that Township is a prime example. It has been designated as a major arterial since 1970. Sometime around then it was improved and to his knowledge no additional right- of-way was required Mrs. E. K. Hooper said they took 8 ft. of her property, removed 3 big trees and all of her shrubbery. Mr. Riley said that very seldom is there any right-of-way needed to improve or up -grade a collector street in the older section of town. However, it cannot be said in a meeting like this and it cannot be said by a City Council that we promise every road improvement in the older part of town will not cut down any trees. This occurs when we expand water and sewer lines and when we build: new houses. Ruth Ostmeyer said she is acquainted with Mrs. Hooper and they did ruin her property. Chairman Clinton attempted to determine if Mrs. Hooper was paid for her property. Mrs. Hooper said she was not, now was she offered any money. Chairman Clinton said he wished to check further into this, but wondered if perhaps her legal description might be one of those that runs out into the right-of-way from a long time ago. Ruth Ostmeyer said the City has only had a plan since 1960, but the home owners have had plans for 20 years in some cases. L. M. McGoodwin, 1146 Mission, on the corner of North Street and Mission said he noticed Highway 45 is to be diverted onto North Street and North Street is "as steep as a cowls face." He felt some provision should be made to divert as much traffic off Highway 45 as possible and suggested diverting it to Crossover Road and Highway 16 and a cross over in the North area of Fayetteville. Chairman Clinton said he thought Township Road and its extension will take care of some of that. Mr. McGoodwin said he felt • they would be forced to divert some traffic off Highway 45 and suggested diverting some of it to Rolling Hills Drive and reducing the requirements on Highway 45. Louise Kreamer, Highway 45, expressed concern about Root School on Highway 45. Chairman Clinton said that basically the only reason for an arterial is to serve the people living out there. Highway 45 is not a throughway except for people who live out there or for people going to Huntsville. I. B. Arnold, 527 East North, asked if any consideration had ever been given to a 4 -lane by-pass completely around both Fayetteville and Springdale with a limited access. A lady asked if the street shown on the proposed plan and lying North of Sycamore between the railroad tracks and Garland is considered to be an extension of Township Road. Jim Dahler, 1000 Township Road, asked if there are any plans for any North- South streets to be taken off the top of the hill on Township Road. He complained of trucks using Township Road all day long and said school kids are picked up on Township. Leo Van Scyoc, Old Wire Road North, asked what the distance between Joyce and Old Wire Road on Crossover Road is. It is about ley miles. He said that just on the other side of Crossover Road there is an extremely sharp curve to the East which turns to the right and asked if Joyce -Stearns could serve as a minor arterial and Old Wire Road as a collector. Rawleigh Rails, 412 Assembly Drive, asked if that portion of Old Wire Road shown as an arterial is the least heavily travelled area of Old Wire Road and is it presently designated as such. Chairman Clinton said this is the area and it is not presently designated as such. Mr. Rails asked why we have a minor arterial designation for a less heavily travelled road. Mr. Riley said this is to balance the traffic load among several routes if the development • i Planning Commission 5-14-73 -6- takes place in that area as stated in the City's policy plan. Chairman Clinton invited comments on North Street and on the area bounded by Highway 71B, Highway 71 By-pass, and North Street. Jim Clark, 2331 Winwood Drive, said he represents 305 East North. Since 1963 there have been 5 people killed on North Street --one at Gregg and North and 4 at the intersection of North and College. In 1964, 1962, and again this year there were 2 weeks of ice when you couldn't get up North Street either East or West. You have 2 hours of sun hitting you in the face going East on North Street in the morning and the same thing going West on North Street in the afternoon. You have the same problems of ice and sun on Township. He said these are very bad safety factors on both streets. Roy B. Allen, 211 West North Street, said he had been asked to represent his portion of North Street. He said he did appreciate the work that had gone into this. He had built a house on North Street in 1949-50 when it was a dirt road and just a trail. His house was discolored by the red dust. In 1951 the people formed an improvement district to pave North Street and paid on it until 1971. When they formed the improvement district, the City had assured them there would be several more streets open for an East- West outlet. There have been some North-South streets opened up, but no additional East-West ones. Mr. Allen said they were glad that this group was saying that in the settled sections of town not much change will take place. He said they were concerned about what would be done to their particular area and invited the Planning Commission to come out and check the location of houses on North Street. If the City makes this a major thoroughfare, they should keep their promise and open up 3 or 4 more streets. Mr. Allen asked that Maple Street be left as it is. If putting through 3 or 4 more streets doesn't help, put in some one-way streets. He said some of the concern of the people could be alleviated if the people knew their homes would not be demolished or have traffic right through their front porch. Chairman Clinton said that as a member of the Planning Commission he could not tell the people that they could not take their trees or anything. Leo Peel, 808 Peel Street, said he thought the time when Mrs. Hooper's trees and shrubs were removed was when a sewer line was put in. Mr. W. (?) Stout on North Street asked if the City plans to run North Street straight on through from where it takes off at Mt. Comfort Road. He has a house in there which he felt it would take if they do. Chairman Clinton said there is a street dedication all the way through there and it appears to be shown on this map as going straight ahead. Joe Foster said the TOPICS study did recommend that improvement, but he did not know the status of that recommendation as far as implementing it. Chairman Clinton said the City does have adequate right-of-way there. Larry B. Handy, 1650 Wedington Drive, said the presence of a principal arterial street can be a disrupting thing. Magazines and newspapers keep saying cars are getting smaller and that we are going to have to stop driving our cars. What is the process by which an arterial gets built' He wanted to know about the procedures and about what notification has to be given and what steps taken before building starts. Joe Foster said this is a State highway and that where the Arkansas Highway Department is involved there are no plans for any improvement on this. The designation as a principal arterial means that if improvements are planned, the recommendation in the future is that those improvements would agree with the plans here. Ken Riley said this means the Highway Department would make the improvements based on the traffic need. The street is carrying traffic now that warrants the arterial classification. Improvements could well be made in stages. The recommendation of the plan is that some day it be a 4 -lane arterial. If it is surfaced or reconstructed Planning Commission 5-14-73 -7- and surfaced it will be 2 lanes capable of being expanded to 4 lanes in the future. Improvements can be made that do not meet the desired minimums for that classification. Like all other segments of the Fayetteville street system on the State Highway system or any road where federal aid is used, additional public hearings will be held on those segments prior to construction. There would be a hearing on the location first and another one on design. An environmental assessment statement must be prepared at the second one and the public hearing record must include that statement. You would be notified of those two hearings plus being contacted by the highway department people. Each individual door would be knocked upon. Additional public hearings are held on each roadway improvement on which federal aid money is used. Public hearings may not be foliaged where state money is used. Mr. Deane said that in the government "gobblegook" planning means to take a 30 ft. street and make it an 80 ft. to a 100 ft. street and that implementation means to do it at your expense. Al Donaubauer, 1101 Woolsey, asked if the cost of widening North street had been considered. He said this would be a multi-million dollar project because they would have to buy 50 or more properties and redo the facing on the South side of an apartment complex. Ken Riley said they had not anticipated the type of design above and beyond what is there today. Unless we do build some other roads in some other locations and decrease the traffic density it will continue to carry that amount of traffic or more When we have an adopted plan or revisions to the plan, then the next step will be to tie the cost estimate to it. Walter Brown, 1138 North Vandeventer, said he had signed a petition that was to be turned in. He was not sure everyone on that street understands that it is to be a highway. He asked that North Street be downgraded. Richard Williams, a member of the Washington General Hospital Board, stated that the Hospital needs to expand. It is presently serving as a metropolitan hospital and is in a crush for space. The Hospital has arterial traffic on two sides of it and has no "back door." He asked Mr. Riley if in the future the City would need to use some of the Hospital land as right-of-way. Mr. Riley said the proposed construction and increase in the number of beds at Washington General is bound to increase the traffic. The street is already carrying a load which must be reckoned with if it increases. He could not say what the City will do in terms of improvements ---when and how much --beyond what has been said before. He felt that in all instances where it can be done, the City will attempt to stay within the existing right-of-way. There are some plans for chanellization of traffic at North Street and College Avenue but Mr. Riley did not know of any plans West of that point. He said these are answers that policy people in the City will have to make some time. It is not envisioned that North Street between College and Garland will be on the State highway system. Mr. Williams said he would bring this matter to the attention of the Hospital Board at its meeting the following night. Jim Clark said the Hospital expansion will not be a slight addition. It is planned to be in the neighborhood of a $12,000,000.00 expansion. Joseph M. Clark, 1724 Rockwood Trail, suggested directional signals at the intersection of North Street and College Avenue. City Manager Donald Grimes said the City will need about 10 ft. of Hospital property for right-of-way at the corner of North Street and College Avenue. There will be directional signals and turn lanes there. The widening will extend up to the V A Hospital and South of the intersection about 250 ft. Walter Brown,1138 North Vandeventer, asked that some other East-West streets such as Prospect and Sycamore Streets be opened up across the railroad tracks. City Manager Donald Grimes said the City has the funds to build across the railroad track on Sycamore and with the help of a developer to bridge Skull Creek. Planning Commission 5-14-73 -8- A gentleman asked that the Commission instruct the people making the study to investigate the possibility of a loop around the two cities. Mr. Ray on West Prospect (?) asked that truck route signs be put on Crossover Road, Highway 16, and out to the By-pass and see that the trucks keep on those routes and keep the big trucks out of the center of the City. Charlie Kent, 411 West North Street, requested the City consider some one- way streets. David Randle, 701 West North Street (Ranco Building Supply), mentioned the work being done on Crossover Road and said he wondered if some consideration might be given to doing the work around the outside of the City first before working on the center section of town and find out what traffic will be carried away by those other roads. Mrs. Lloyd McConnell, 421 West North Street, said if they took the trucks off North Street the traffic count would not be so high. Several other prople mentioned that there is quite a bit of truck traffic on North Street and they can hear them laboring to climb the hills at night. Suzanne Lighton, 424 North Willow Avenue, said there is not a need for much more through streets East-West and North-South to serve the citizens of Fayetteville. The reason for the proposal is to serve the people coming through town with no way to get from the East part of town to the West part of town without coming through town. She did not agree with making major highway arteries within the City and said the thing to do to relieve the congestion would be to go some distance out and relieve the problem. Chairman Clinton invited comments on the section of town lying South of North Street and down to Highway 16 and Highway 62 on the East and West. John Williams, 140 North Sang Avenue, read a statement prepared by Steve Potter, Cy Sutherland, and Mr. Williams to express the concern of the residents of Haskell Heights area. Joseph M. Clark, 1724 Rockwood Trail, represented property owners on Rockwood Trail and said they had submitted a Statement objecting to Rockwood Trail as a collector street. He said the extension of Rockwood Trail down to Highway 265 (Crossover Road) might generate another North Street with grade, frontage, and traffic problems. The people on Rockwood Trail would like a committment that Rockwood would not be widened out to 60 ft. The most natural street to connect into on Crossover Road would be Manor Drive and he said he did not think the people on that street would like to have that. He said in his opinion, Fayetteville had grown with its street systems like °topsy°; it just grew because everyone wants to live on these hills. There are some flat plain areas around these hills. He thought the streets are taking care of things pretty well around town except in rare instances. Tommy McHail, 621 North Razorback, questioned the wisdom of changing Razorback between Maple and Cleveland to an arterial. If they go up this hill, they are disturbing residences both on Razorback and Cleveland. This would not be true on Maple and Garland. Reed Greenwood, 503 North Washington, at the intersection of Washington at Maple, said there are a number of residents in that area of town who are opposed to the proposed changes in Maple Street. A petition containing over 200 signatures had been submitted to the Fayetteville -Springdale Transportation Study. He said the area along and around Maple Street has had a 75 to 100 year plan and requested specific action to remove Maple Street from the proposal as a collector, minor arterial, or any other classification. He submitted a second petition containing an additional 80 signatures. He said the area has a 40 ft. right-of-way now and he felt they had borne the burden of Highway 71 and Highway 45 and that is enough. • • Planning Commission 5-14-73 -9- Tom Lavender, 420 North Sang, said he agreed with Mr. Williams that some of the things that should have been done have not been done. He and his neighbors have no intention of allowing any additional right-of-way. The street is very narrow. They were forced into the City against their will and have not received any special priviledges. They built their own street and paved it. He encouraged everyone to go to the Supreme Court, if necessary, to retain land. Evangeline Archer, 2148 Markham Road, said she had worked in the City Planning Division of the University of Arkansas under Mr. Bonner for 3 years. She called this proposal a mistake from planning, engineering, and civic point of view. She said she felt if anyone doing the planning had complied with their request to examine the site that the problem would be resolved. Mrs. Huntington, 2 Mt. Nord, asked how the question would finally be resolved. Is the decision made by the City Council or do the people of Fayetteville have a vote on it? Chairman Clinton told her that the Planning Commission would make a recommendation on the matter and the decision would be left to the Board of Directors. It is not scheduled for a vote by the people. Robert A. Braden, 3 Mt. Nord, asked whether or not having streets designated as collectors when the City is not planning to do anything with them is sort of a plan of the Commission to get license to steal in the future. If they are not planning to do anything with the street why are they designating it. Pat Neeley, Rockwood Trail, said we may be 100 years late on Maple Street and 10 years late somewhere else. If the City builds around the City how do we get out to the loop? He said he personally appreciated what this committee is doing. He did not endorse the plan, but was pleased with the way they were going about it. He offered to help in anyway he could and praised Marion Orton, City Director, for her work. Ray Trammell, 448 Hawthorne, asked the Commission to hold the record open for another 10 days to enable persons to submit comments by mail. Chairman Clinton said they would leave it open until June 12, the date of the next Planning Commission meeting. Dr. Claude Faulkner, 306 West Prospect, was concerned about Prospect as a collector street because it would bring more traffic by the City Park. Also, because it would cut down park space. Harriet Jansma, 900 Lighton Trail, said she had heard that Mission Street is to be extended South on Fletcher and down to Highway 16 at Morningside Drive. She asked that a street not be put through this beautiful wooded area. She asked how much difference a petition would make in the final decision. She said there have been complaints about the property around the Confederate park being destroyed. Lloyd McConnell, 421 West North Street, said this is a residential area with a bad street because of the railroad crossing and its bad intersection with College Avenue. He said the worst thing about it is the truck traffic which has developed there. Mrs. Isabel Watts, 1619 West Maple, asked why the proposal showed West Maple stopping at Gregg Avenue. Ken Riley said it has been mentioned that a circumventional loop around the City would be a better plan. The same thing applies around the University of Arkansas campus. Cleveland, Razorback, LeRoy Pond, Center, Gregg and Maple form the different legs of this loop. Dr. C. Dwight Dodson, 946 California Drive, protested the change of California from "nothing" to a minor arterial. Mrs. Dodson said they live across the street from the Boys Club and for this reason she thought it should not be an arterial street. Mr. Deane asked if Gregg Avenue from Dickson paralleling the railroad tracks would take the Gregg house. He was told it would not. Theodore E. Gunman said the private lane he lives on with 3 houses on it is designated as a collector street. He lives on Kessler Mountain. He asked Planning Commission 5-14-73 -10- the Commission to recommend to the Arkansas Highway Department that they not include the concept of a major arterial highway running right through the City of Fayetteville. He was referring to the recent hearings by the Highway Department on the relocation of Highway 71 and the developing of a proposed road from Kansas City to Houston. He said it is not workable to mix this type of traffic with local traffic. Dr. DePalma, 220 South School Avenue, asked who has been surveying his property. John Williams suggested that the By-pass be used as an alternative route to Sang Avenue as a collector. Robert A. Braden asked if the Commission had received any expressions of approval for what is being proposed and suggested they find out what the overall opinion of the people is for something of this magnitude. He asked why Maple Street is designated as a collector street if there are no plans to widen it. Chairman Clinton asked Ken Riley if it ever helped to get federal money to have a street on the Major Street Plan. Mr. Riley said a street plan such as the Commission is adopting is a prerequisite. It would need to be maintained as a designated local route to get funds. Joe Foster said he did not think the Arkansas Highway Department would be interested in taking Maple Street into the state system. He said this is not a matter of tearing down houses, taking property, or anything like that, but of simply classifying the street as it 1s. Morton Gitelman told the people that designating the street does not acquire any right-of-way. The State can always condemn your property as they need to do so. The Major Street Plan serves the function of identifying the streets that are carrying the traffic. It does not affect the property lines but it puts property owners on notice that if the street is improved that is where it will go rather than on the street next to you. Mrs. Joseph Clark asked if the Commission intends to leave the collector street designation on Rockwood Trail. Virginia Howard, 18 West Prospect, asked if collector streets call for curbs and gutters. Dick Siegel, Markham Hill, said that when you show a line for a proposed street that suggests that that is the place to put a utility power line, etc. Morton Gitelman said this is correct, but designating where the street will go does not take the land. Herman D. Johnson, 601 South Government, said that on Razorback Road some 30 to 40 years ago, they came down there and moved the fence over on his folks property about 30 ft. They did not receive any pay and nobody asked them about it. The Industrial Park was voted down by the people twice and the City went ahead and did it anyway. Mrs. Isabel Watts said she had just finished a long distance trip and the places she would most like to avoid are the places where the highways go right through towns. Someone asked why the extension of Rolling Hills Drive had been dropped from the Major Street Plan. Mr. Riley said development plans in that area have changed that. The meeting was adjourned at 11.50 P.M.