HomeMy WebLinkAbout1996-02-05 - Minutesf THE.CITY OF FAYETTEVILLE. ARKA • DEPARTMEN ' • RRESPONDENCE • TO: PARKS AND RECREATION ADVISORY BOARD FROM: DALE D. CLARK, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR DATE- JANUARY 30, 1996 SUBJECT: PRAB MEETING ON MONDAY FEBRUARY 5, 1996 AT 5:30PM IN ROOM 219 OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATION BUILDING 1. Approval of PRAB minutes - January 8, 1996 II. Green Space - Zion Valley &a utQer Aolyear$9 °- L Q -4a ` Mr Harry Gray would hke to visit with the Board about this development. Location: South of Zion, North of Joyce, West of Stearns Park District: Northeast Priority: On eastern edge of Priority One Area Total Acres: 28 acres Units: (102 Multi - as we saw it last) Land Dedication: (2.04 acres - as we saw it 1 Money in Lieu:- as we saw it last Neighborhood: #f��`1'�O 1990 Needs: 22-44 acres 2010 Needs: 34-68 acres Existing: 74 acres III. Report on Volunteer Work at Lake Fayetteville - Ackerman N. Jefferson Playground - Jefferson Student Council (Denise Airola) V. Proposal for a Paintball Range at Hwy 265 East Park - Kevin Walker W. Report on visit to property offered by Carolyn Parsons on Garland, north of Leverett School • VII. Conunittee Assignments - Waite (Goals and Objectives) • • • PRAB REGULAR MEETING FEBRUARY 5, 1996 The meeting was called to order by Bill Waite at 5:30 pm in room 219 of the City Administration Building. Members Present: Members Absent: Reason Absent: Staff Present: Media Present: Ackerman, Driver, James, Mackey, McCutcheon, Waite Richard, Stone Stone - out of town Clark, Dugwyler, Orzek Northwest Arkansas Times, Michelle Todd Morning News, Jennifer Pinkerton Guests Present: Kevin Walker, Bob Braswell, Lisa Pascal, Harry Gray, Denise Airola, Krystal Porter, Alisha Turner, and Shannon Heath I. MOTION:JAMES/WAITE The minutes from the January 8, 1996 PRAB meeting were approved unanimously 6-0 II. Green Space Zion Valley Gray - I am Harry Gray with Northwest Engineers. I am here to ask for you to accept a private park that we planned to build in the subdivision as fulfillment for the Parks Department. We want to ask you to allow us to construct, develop, and control this as a private park. We have looked at it and can not find a place to put a public park and still build like we want. It is proposed as a family unit with a private street with one entry key card for security and privacy. Waite - Unfortunately, we can't. We did get a reading on this from the city attorney. We can't take land not open to the public as a contribution. Gray - Possibly the Planning Commission could. I don't know. Is there any way the PRAB can look at this and allow us to build a private park and make a contribution to a neighborhood park? Driver - We can vote to accept money in lieu of land. Gray - We still need the approval of council. Dugwyler - If it is over a 100 units decision has to be 1 • • made by city council. Mackey- Can we have both, the private park and money in lieu? Gray - I am not sure I understand. Driver - What Mackey is saying is that if we recommend to waive the requirement for there to be public greenspace and accept money in lieu contingent on the greenspace being provided privately. Waite - I understand there are some possible modifications to the plan you submitted. Gray - The planning commission made some changes. Ackerman - I wouldn't object to money in lieu, we already have a park in that area anyway. ' We don't know what Sweetser may due to the east of this property either. We should consider taking money in lieu of land in this situation since you are going to build a private park anyway. Gray - We feel a private park is needed and is a major part of the development. Ackerman - Those are my feelings Mr. Chairman. Waite - We had discussed taking part of the land and tieing it in with the Sweetser property. Clark - Park Place kept their park private and paid money in lieu. Ackerman - I lived in Park Place and it is used often. Driver - I am comfortable and willing to make a motion to recommend to city council to waive park acreage and accept money in lieu and understand greenspace will be provided privately within this development as well. James - Will this park shown in your plans be the same size? Gray - It will be slightly less. It will be 25 to 50 feet less wide. The acreage will stay basically the same. Clark - Gray needs to specify the amou .f acreag MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0 III. Introduce New Employee and Greet Guests Waite - We need to take a moment here to introduce Kim Orzek, our new secretary. She has been with us for a week now and with miserable weather. She is busy typing away. It is nice to have you aboard. Orzek - Thank you. • 2 Waite - We also have some visitors, Bob Braswell is our Parks Maintenance Supervisors. He had to do a lot with the big push on the HMR money to improve maintenance. Lisa Pascal is also here and she is our Landscape Specialist. It is nice to see both of you. IV. Report on Volunteer Work at Lake Fayetteville - Ackerman Ackerman - I brought a chart of the work that we initially outlined in our endeavor to give you an overview of our overall plan for Lake Fayetteville. I presented this particular program to the PRAB about two years ago. It came about through a volunteer basis. We wanted to get the community involved in doing some things at Lake Sequoyah and Lake Fayetteville. So with the help of the City and the PRAB and the community we have been 'able to get some things done. The overall concept was to do some major renovation to the park's facility and the lakes. The parking lot was gravel for a long time so we got it paved. We went to the Department of Game & Fish and applied for a grant. We were able to secure the grant for around $22,000, which paid for the paving and contracted the work with the city. We got this on a very cost effective basis and is a tremendous asset. In addition to that, we improved the boat launch area. We added an extra boat loading ramp. We completed, on the west side, a 8 ft wide, 100 ft. long fishing pier. On the end of the pier, we angled it over so we can eventually tie it in to make a dual pier from the back and the north bank as well. This would make it accessible from the dam and parking lot area. We need to get more things resolved on the dam side. It is handicap accessible and has hand rails. On the end of it there is a 24x24 platform with a 12x12 covered area with a picnic table. We currently have two other piers being constructed. We want the trail to tie into the other crosswalk. Then you can go all the way across to the boat ramp. Eventually you can go all the way to the dam and make a •full 360 degrees. We again applied with Game and Fish to help us construct these two piers. They approved it and both will be completed this spring. This summer we hope to build a restroom facility on the north side so we don't have to tear up the road. We also have a 40x60 pavilion just east of the bait shop. We have some beautiful trees through here. It will make a great area. It is grassy too. We also have more developments to work on in the future. 3 Waite - Is there any holdup on the trail as far as the controversy on the dam? Ackerman- We talked to the state engineers. They asked us not to do anything to the dam because of some maintenance they would like the City of Fayetteville to do before we started. I think that will be resolved and we can continue that next year. Waite - Then we can put a trail on top of the dam? Ackerman - Yes. We have had a concentrated effort in this area. We have done about $150,000 worth of improvements for about $25,000. Driver - Thank you for all the work you have done. We are going to have an in service for'McCutcheon and myself in public relations to see about how to continue this type of cooperation. V. Jefferson Playground - Jefferson Student Council (Denise Airola): Airola - I am here on behalf of the Student Council, which a few are also present. We have a safety concern at the older part of the playground on the northeast side. I have some experience on safety standards at a playground. Based on safety standards, we have a safety situation that needs to be discussed. We know that other schools have used P.T.A. fundings to correct their playground with the cooperation of the Parks Department. Our school has an enrollment of 400 students and are 67% free lunch. Our potential to come up with 50% matching funds is unlikely. We have a P.T.O. budget of $4000 - $5000 maximum annually. Of that, $2,500 goes into the classroom. The teachers need this money from science all the way to special activities. Driver - In specific terms, are you talking about a specific item' Airola - We have a big toy, a partially covered slide, and a twisting slide. The twisting slides platform is about six feet off the ground. I think it should be for older elementary. Even though, it is not considered safe for them either. It goes outside of the height guidelines and the fall zones are too narrow around the structure. Waite - How old is this one? Clark - It was purchased in 1978. Waite - The other one was put there about five years ago. Airola - The newer one needs to have the monkey rings maintenanced. They twist and spin. If not properly 4 M514 • • • supervised, it will be dangerous. The older one is our main concern. The playground is used day and night and is used a lot. It's existence alone creates safety concerns. Driver - Have you contacted the school district maintenance? Airola - Our committee has contacted them. We have had some response. We didn't have all the responses we need. It would be nice if we had sectioned off areas that were age specific. Waite - As you mentioned PTO's may can help you match these funds. What would you propose to be put there? Airola - Kindergarten, lst, and grid grade equipment. I would need to go back and see what the school in general would want. We want to raise money to make it safer for our children. Waite - Would any of the children like to speak? Porter - A lot of kids have been hurt on our playground because it is old and not safe. The monkey bars which are new -the bars twist and turn and kids are getting hurt. Driver - What three things would make it better? Porter - Fix the monkey bars. The inside gym does not basketball goals. Turner- The monkey bars need to be fixed about half way are not tightened and they twist and you fall. Kids like to run up there and there is only a small area to stand. The slide has a big hole and the kids fall face forward into the sand. It gets very crowded. It is hard to see if the other kid is through yet to make sure you don't run into them. Heath- When climbing up to the big toy, there are rails like poles, and when you get to the top there is not very much space. A lot of kids hit their head. Sixth graders are taller and it is dangerous. I am concerned about the school getting sued for these accidents. Waite - Ultimately it would be nice to have a proposal put together. Try to get the neighborhoods involved. Let us know what you have in mind, exactly. Airola - We have a limited amount of money that can be raised by them. Driver - I would like to meet with you further and I congratulate you and the girls on taking the time to bring this to our attention. There are specific steps that we need to go through and to file an action request that needs to be filled out. We need to know specifics on what you want and the costs. Waite - We can loan you catalogs that you can take to the 5 • • • P.T.O. meetings. Clark Have you contacted the school board about these problems? Airola- Yes. We have a university partnership. We are trying to utilize the expertise that they offer too. Driver - I know that a professor in landscape architecture had some of his students go to different parks and make suggestions. Frank Burgraff is his name. Ackerman - We need to go visit this area. Dugwyler - We did that this afternoon. Everything they addressed is definitely legitimate and it really needs to be removed or replaced. There is actually three pieces of equipment that doesn't meet standards. Waite - Nancy, is your recommendation to repair or replace? Dugwyler- Replace. There is a slide and overhead rings that need to taken out. James - How much time will this take? Braswell - Three days to a week to take it out and to put it back in. Driver - Doesn't the school handle that part of it? Braswell - Yes. Waite - Jefferson simply doesn't have the usually match the funds with the P.T.O.'s. Clark - PTO usually helps to come up with half of the money. Ackerman- We need to investigate how much money we have for that particular quadrant and notify the school system. We can let them know how much money we have to spend and perhaps they can come up with their funding. Dugwyler - Let us see their proposal they are looking at spending. Waite - We have money, but match the cost. Driver - The other usage too. Clark - The problem is to study and see what we need there, don't worry about the cost at this point. We need to determine what is needed there first by the community and the school and proceed along those lines. Waite - Nancy, Bob, Dale - please help them come up with the proposal with a dollar amount then we can look at it further. Clark - We need if they want to need to see who money. We we to see how much usually have the schools factor would be the Youth Center's to visit with school maintenance to see take the equipment out themselves. We will do what role. James - Can we get an update on this at our next meeting? 6 aliVre Clark - Yes. Waite - We need to talk further on this at the next meeting. We need to do something about this. VI. Proposal for a Paint ball Range at HWY 265 East Park (Kevin Walker) Walker - I was hoping to put in a paint ball course. I am having a difficult time coming up with land for this. I am having an easier time finding a building. I was a member of Black Hawk Archery so I understand the problem with people shooting arrows into people's yards. But, with the paint ball course, it will not cause a problem. For one, the paint balls don't shoot that far. Two, the field I am looking to put it in is an APL field, which is a national organization. They require certain safety standards that must be met. We also have great insurance with a reasonable rate. Driver - How much land will you need? Walker - Need the size of a football field. We have also been looking in Springdale and we are having a lot of problems finding places. This area has such a growth potential that no one wants to rent land out to anybody because they can sale it for three times for what it is worth at this time. Driver - Dale, did you have a location in mind? Clark - He mentioned the Black Hawk Archery land which is out on highway 265. I told Kevin Walker that we are working on getting baseball fields developed there. I didn't have any particular location in mind. Waite- We really don't lease our parks out, right Dale? Clark - We do have some agreements. Waite- Yes. Some agreements like the Bambino League is run as a community activity. They raise a considerable amount of money to put it on as a non-profit organization. That is about the only way that is operated, with bylaws and such. Driver - The key idea would be for it to be non-profit. Waite - Everything we have now is non-profit. McCutcheon - What age groups would this be for? Walker- The APL states that the age group is 10 yrs old and up. Usually, two teams are against each other. This game is called war games. I have a four year old boy that loves to play, but he would not be able to play. We could look to run it as a non-profit organization. The problem is that everyone doesn't have their own equipment. We could set up a club and let the club own 7 els/P4 the equipment and rent out the equipment. Generally, when you run a field they sell or rent all the ammunition. McCutcheon - Is there a facility in Northwest Arkansas right now? Walker - There are two. One is in Westfork and Siloam Springs. Westfork is private. Siloam Springs, in my opinion, is unsafe. They are in the process of losing their license because it is an unsafe field. Ackerman - I am not sure we can accommodate you. Our property is used for the public. How did you come to contact us regarding this matter? Walker - The reason is because of my association with the Black Hawk Archery range and I needed a large amount of land. This layout is perfect for this type of field. Waite - That land will definitely not be available since .we are going to be working on a putting a baseball field there. Ackerman - Is this archery group now utilizing the facility at Lake Wilson? Clark - Yes. Walker - We would have referees on the field while people are playing. They would help with making sure the activities are safe. Waite - Dale, are you aware of any park land available for this purpose? Clark - I don't know of any at this moment. Ackerman - Dale, what is your overall feeling about this? Clark - I don't know enough about the paint ball sport. My first experience with paint balls was a few weeks ago. A car passed another car and shot a paint ball at some other kids in the car. That has been my only experience. I am sure that is not popular. I don't know at this point. Walker - One game is like what the police department uses. It betters their tactics. This game is called the FBI/Terrorist game. One group (terrorists) will hide a bomb someplace and the FBI will take the bad guys out and find the bomb. Driver - What type of facility will you need to set up your field? Walker - We were wanting to set up a miny town situation. Other playing fields could be open with hay bales or different kind of structures. McCutcheon- I personally wish you the best in trying to start up your business. I don't know if this is what the parks should be involved with. It doesn't sound like something we should support. 8 • • • Ackerman- I urge you to look at different area. We may visit further with the PRAB members and discuss what might be feasible for the community. That is my suggestion. Waite- With the increase in capita L development that we will be going through in the next year or two, we already have plans. Clark - I think that is right. Waite - If we do come up with anything, it would probably have to be in the far future. Best I can offer is to keep our ears open and we will contact you if we come across anything. VII. Report on visit to property offered by Carolyn Parsons on .Garland, North of Leverett School Waite - Several of us visited Carolyn Parsons property. Susan is very familiar with this property. Driver - I live there. Mackey- My feeling is that the land is not suitable for a public park. Looking at Leverett from the north - 1/3 of the south end of the property could be used by the school for better loading and unloading of the school buses. The seems to be more beneficial to the school. James - I could see using this land as an environmental/nature area like at Lake Fayetteville. We could have a walking trail and benches, etc. I am not sure what the price is. Waite - I would like to view the property without thinking about the listing price of the land. James - Then it looks like raw land that has use in the heart of Fayetteville. It does have a drainage problem. It seems you would have to move a ton of dirt. I am not sure what would have to be done to get a level playing field for softball and kickball and whatever else they would be interested in. Waite - It has steep terraces. Driver - It has about a ten foot drop. James - I think there is several things that would inhibit us from using the property. The size, development cost, drainage problem (that James mentioned), and the overall utilization of that piece of property. I think these are a lot of factors and we can use our money elsewhere. I don't think it is for us at this time. Driver - My feeling towards this property is the way I 9 • • • • feel about any property next to a school. I don't want a business to be next to the school, but I think this property is more desirable to the school. This property being parkland would be very limited. James - I don't feel we have an interest in this property. Driver - I would like to recommend that Carolyn Parsons needs to deal with the school system and the school system can contact us with their decision. Waite - I feel is a good idea. I feel that we could still participate. I will contact the school system about this. VIII. Committee Assignments - Waite (Goals & Objectives) Waite- I sent out the new assignments. I haven't heard any objections yet. We are down to three committees with each person serving on two committees. I separated this into Primary and Secondary committee memberships. Kim and Nancy needs to notify everyone of the meetings. I would like to keep it this way. Driver - I agree and would like to keep it open for all PRAB members. Waite - You almost always have to have committee representation for each program. Driver - I think that sometimes we have to review the bylaws. In some cases we have requested bylaws and they have not been forthcoming. We need to have concentration of having the bylaws available at the Youth Center. If a question needs to be resolved, it would be nice to have that information at the Youth Center. Waite - I would certainly like for the Program Committee to review that. When you get into the rules, how restrictive is it -sometimes they come up with some proposals that are too restrictive to be considered Parks. They do need to be reviewed meticulously. Clark - I think that would be a good idea. The public looks to us for answers. Waite - We want to make sure the bylaws keep the philosophy of this Board. We need to press to get these bylaws from them and review them. James - Are you saying for the people tonight, like Walker for paint balls, that we would need their bylaw information for this meeting? Waite - Absolutely. It would give us more information to review. James - Do we change the steps that we are doing when 10 • • • someone contacts Dale or Nancy that they need to provide a copy of their bylaws before they can meet with us? Waite - We wouldn't close them off from a presentation. We would let them make a presentation. The bylaws would have to be approved. McCutcheon - Do we meet monthly to review this? Driver - We have never met monthly on these committees. It really varies month to month. Waite - James, we need to have a draft made up We don't need to have it too lengthy, just general goals and guidelines stated precisely. Please give it to Nancy so we can review it at our next meeting. James, if you have any problem, just give me a call. Ackerman - We want to focus on specifics early on this year so we can get a lot accomplished this year. Driver - Let's wait to talk further on this until after the next item on the agenda to set up other dates to meet with each other. IX. HMR Tax Expenditure Priorities - Staff Waite - We are pretty much on track with the revenues that we estimated on the HMR. Driver I have a question on the Girls Softball Complex. The 1996 Girls Softball Complex out of HMR paperwork states $200,000 is out of greenspace and an additional $50,000 and an additional $280,000 from advertising and promotion and then in the following year we have slated on the same line $450,000. Clark - The only one I feel real secure with promoting is 1996. However, to answer you on the 1997 question, we have a meeting set for Wednesday. They scared the pants off of us the other day when they said $900,000 for the Girls Softball Complex. Driver - For four fields? Clark - That is the reason we looked at that. We are still hoping that they will come closer to what we anticipated. We will get more information on that Wednesday. The reason for that being in the paperwork is so that we have some kind of hedge. We have some decision making to do. James - Is that based on the model that we went over? Clark - Yes. With the concession, restroom, and the parking, and the four lighted fields at 300 foot. Driver - Is that in a flood plain? 11 Clark - No. That is just with what we have. Waite- We have to remember that we aren't just adding a field. We are adding all the other stuff too. We are putting in the lanes between the fields, 110 parking spaces, restrooms, and a concession stand. When we go to Bambino and put in another field - we already have these other facilities. Driver - We have had this in committee and we have had this before the Board and we sent it back to the staff and now it is before the Board again. We can go back to the committee with it. We had greenspace funds committed last year to complete the trail at lake Fayetteville South. Those funds were diverted to another worthy cause. Now we have 1998 on Lake Fayetteville South and double the amount on Girls Softballthan we have every allocated or recommended or anticipated. I can't make that recommendation as a Board member. Clark - I think what we have to do instead of looking out for five years - I think it is great to project. I have to deal with 1996 being my primary concern. We have to make decisions are we going to make and dealing with that. Driver - So your recommendation would be to complete all four fields in one construction push? Clark - Yes, if that is what we decide to do. I have a meeting with Kraft and Tull engineers next week. Waite - Can you get the cost if we did any phasing on field 3 and 4? Clark - I think they will bring that to us. We are asking for that. They will provide us with unit costs and we will have to make decisions by unit. Waite - My concern is what Driver expressed. It doesn't cost us to delay. Driver - Just getting the trail at Wilson Park that leads back to the bridge - you would not believe the increase in usage. Just something that simple. I have another question, Nancy. Where are the $76,000 funds going to come from for the Greathouse bridge on your spreadsheet? Dugwyler - If you approve it, it will come out of park improvements. Driver - Okay. James - Ackerman, if we move this back to 1997, would this delay you? Ackerman - No, the trail system is already in place. We can accommodate you any which way you want to go with this. Driver - I am astounded with the cost of the Girls Softball Complex. 12 • • • Ackerman - I was astounded with the Girls Softball Complex too. That is why I visited with Nancy this afternoon before the meeting. That is why I want to get the Finance and Facilities Committee together because there are some questions unanswered in my mind. I think we need to address things based on these new events. I am not sure that what we have proposed here is going to be realistic in 1996 or 1997. We need to clarify some things before we move on. James - I think we need to discuss this soon. We need to look at all our financial planning and our potential cost overruns. It probably would be less expensive to build the complex all at once instead of having contractors come back several times. We almost need all four fields to take care of the softball numbers. 'Waite - If. there are any changes, it is going to impact things. Dugwyler - Let me remind you that this is like our CIP plan. One year is approved. Then it changes every year. What we would like is approval for 1996. 1996 is all that needs to be addressed at this time. Waite - When is this to go to City Council? Clark - As soon as we can get it there. CIP is prior to the budget process. It is to the staff's advantage to get a plan and get it under way as quickly as possible. Driver - 1996 looks good to me. I would like us to get to the trails in 1996, if we could. I wonder if we are going to have difficulty with the separation of the Finance and Facilities Committees on dealing with this. Does this need to be a joint meeting? It also needs to be fairly soon. Driver- We can get it approved before the next meeting. Waite - I would like to see that on the agenda. Any objections? Ackerman - No. I think timing is important. Waite - I have some reservations about fencing due to cattle. I don't think it is our problem to put up fencing to keep cattle out. Clark- If I am required to keep my cattle off property, I should have to put up a fence. I think it should be up to the cattle owner to restrain their cattle. Waite - When we get information on what our boundaries are, then we can warn people when their cattle is roaming on our land. Driver - We may need additional signage. Mackey - Cattle owners should not be using our land, if 13 • • • they are not entitled to. Driver - How does Monday week sound?. Can we meet at the Youth Center, February 12, 5:00, both Committees. Waite - Yes. Driver - Bill, please put an agenda together. I encourage everyone to be there. Waite - Is there anything that we need to do to push getting the abstracts and leases? Dugwyler - The abstract company is having a hard time with some of them. It is very involved. It is a very, very long process. They are having some problems with wording on one person being deceased, but they don't have any paperwork to prove it. They are having trouble tracking some of these things. Clark - We have some of the agreements on hand when the land was purchased. Waite - Some of these are in the second generation. Clark - Yes. The work is costing about $1,000. There is a real need with getting this resolved and the information on hand. We are having weekly complaints and we need to get the answers soon. When we receive this information, we are going to have to have a plan of action. Waite - What is your recommendation on what to do when we get the information? Mackey - I have some insight. When you find the acquisition map of all the property, every parcel is outlined with a legal description and the name. Waite - Now we are down to other business. X Other Business Waite - Any other concerns? We have our meeting set. Meeting adjourned at 7:20 p.m. Minutes Approved: 1<39 3'619h 14 g‘,6,22411-4119 Arzfty COY /kL z2&t' // 2 /Dict u4 -c ce-k kik) Liz rise- f•-Rouk6�6�° .M2(eM , K� C Sir, r r C,�'�5or) E CTCcno -c f \\ Urn r -ZQi %r3on 6 5ecfer it ?Q rip pu cc du 774x0 e 41 • C 62 SPECIAL MEETING OF THE FACILITY AND BUDGET COMMITTEES All Board Members were notified and invited to this meeting during the February 5th regular meeting.. The press was notified dunng the February 5th regular meeting. Those attending included: Staff Dale Clark Nancy Dugwyler Board Members Susan Driver Bill Waite Sturmon Macky Johnny James Bill Ackerman Discussion was held concerning committing $200,000 during this first year to go toward land acquisition. The suggestion was made by Ackerman to only budget $50,000 to be used for an option or toward a first payment on a piece of property. This would free up the remainder of the $200,000 to accomplish additional park projects. The $150,000 remaining from land acquisition was divided up with $50,000 going to additional park improvement projects, $50,000 to be used improving the Lake Fayetteville South trail, and $50,000 to be used for equipping the new community gyms at Holcomb and Vandergriff. All other items were discussed and approval given as listed. Susan Driver made the motion to accept the budget as altered for presentation to the City Council. Bill Waite seconded the motion. The vote was 5-0 for the motion.