HomeMy WebLinkAbout1995-08-07 - MinutesTO: FROM: DATE: SUBJECT: II. Parks and Recreation Advisory Board Dale D. Clark, Parks and Recreation Director August 2, 1995 PRAB Meeting on Monday, August 7, 1995 at 5:30 pm in room 219 of the City Administration Building Approval of June 5, 1995 PRAB regular meeting minutes Approval of July 3, 1995 PRAB regular meeting minutes Approval of July 24, 1995 special meeting minutes. GREEN SPACE North Street Apartments Owner Developer: Carl Walker Location: West of Gregg Street, North of North Street Park Dist: NW Units: 24 Multi -Family Land Ded: .48 acres Money in Iieu: $5,760 As Proposed: .25 acres and $2,760 Master Plan: No Priority: Neighborhood 11; Existing acres - 55; 1990 needs 41 to 82; 2010 needs - 52 to 104. Staff Recommendation: Wedington Place Addition Owner/Developer: McFarland,Miller, Edgin/ Clary Development Location: South of Hwy 16, East of the Walnut Park Subdivision Park Dist: NW Units: 37 duplex, 2 triplex (80 multi units) Land Ded: 1.6 acres Money in lieu: $19,200 Master Plan: No priority: Neighborhood 12; Existing acres 9; 1990 needs - 7.5 to 15; 2010 needs - 13 to 36 (does not include park acreage taken since Master Plan written) Staff Recommendation: Money In Lieu England Place Owner/Developer: Don England Location: East of 71B, between Nonamaker and 19th Street Park Dist: SE Units: 110 single family Land Ded: 2.75 acres Money in lieu: $33,000 Master Plan: No priority: Neighborhood 6; Existing acres - 211; 1990 needs 15 to 30; 2010 needs - 17-34. Staff Recomendation: Park Land III Botanical Garden Society of the Ozarks - Donna Porter IV. Gulley Park Parking Lot - Dale Clark V. HMR Tax Report - Susan Driver • • • PRAB REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 7, 1995 Members Present: Driver, James, Knight, Mackey, Richard, Stone, Waite, Savage Staff Present: Clark, Cox Guests Present: Brian Ray,(Development Consultants) Ralph Odom, Tom Henley (Jorgenson), Heather Daniel, Mel Milholland, Kurt Elsass, Samuel Segal Media Present: Ron Wood, Rusty Garrett • The meeting was called to order at 5:30 pm by Susan Driver. BUSINESS: I. MOTION:MACKEY/WAITE The minutes from the June 5, 1995, July 3, 1995 and July 24, 1995 meetings were approved unanimously 7-0 II. GREEN SPACE North Street Apartments Owner/Developer: Carl Walker Location: W. Of Gregg Street, N. Of North Street Park Dist: Units: Land Ded: Money in Lieu: As Proposed: Master Plan: 55: 1990 needs NW 24 multi -family . 48 acres $5,760 . 25 acres and $2,760 No Priority; Neighborhood 11; existing acres 41 to 82; 2010 needs 52 to 104 DISCUSSION: Tom Henley: We had to redesign the plans and there was .25 acres at the end of the 10 ft access easement. We thought it might suffice for a land dedication. Ten feet is the maximum we could fit in between the buildings with the parking. We would encroach upon the 25 feet setback if we gave anymore. Waite: I don't see any point in taking this. Knight: There is a pretty steep point here. Henley: On the east, it is but not on the other side. Clark: No staff recommendation, I know there were thoughts of a trail to connect this. Driver: If you could give more land along the easement, we would consider it. • • • MOTION:WAITE/KNIGHT The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept money, $5,760, in lieu of a land dedication for the green space requirement for North Street Apartments. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0 Wedington Place Owner/Developer: McFarland, Miller, Edgin/Clary Dev. Location: S. Of Hwy 16, E. Of Walnut Park Subd. Park Dist: NW Units: 37 duplex, 2 triplex (80 units) Land Ded: 1.6 acres Money in lieu: $19,200 Master Plan: No priority: Neighborhood 12; existing acres 9; 1990 needs 7.5 to 15; 2010 needs 13 to 36 DISCUSSION: Brian Ray: We would prefer to give money in lieu of the land. Clark: This is close to Davis Park. It would be good if kids have access to the park through the drainage easements. MOTION:KNIGHT/WAITE The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept money, $19,200, in lieu of a land dedication for the green space requirement for Wedington Place. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0 I \� `� ENGLAND PLACE Owner/Developer: Don England Location: E. Of Hwy 71B, between Nonamaker & 19th Street Park Dist: SE Units: 110 single family Land Ded: 2.75 acres Money in lieu: $33,000 Master Plan: No priority; neighborhood 6; existing acres 211; 1990 needs 15 to 30; 2010 needs 17 to 34 Mel Milholland: We may drop a few more lots. I have developed a central park location like you asked. I would like to bank the excess. This is about 3 acres which would be about .25 over the required. Driver: I appreciate you drawing this again. Knight: It is a ditch. What happens when you get in there? It is not usable for a volleyball court or anything. Milholland:We will have plenty of disposable material if you • • would like us to clean it out for you or whatever. Mackey: Will the water go down 19th Street? Milholland: Yes, we have two natural crosses now. Knight: This land will have to be built up. Milholland: I did not if you were looking for a nature park or a park with ballfields and swings. We will have plenty of waste. We will work with you any way you want. Driver: This is close to Walker which has ballfields. We were looking for a green area that is close to the homes. Milholland: If you put disposal on the trees, it would kill them anyway. Driver: I would like to see the trees remain to a large extent. WE are not looking for a ballfield capacity. Milholland: I can't say we would have enough material to make it level. Mackey: If it is a neighborhood park, we need to clear the underbrush to make it safe but leave the big trees. Milholland: If you put two inches of dirt on a tree, it will kill the roots. You will need to get some level space in there. I think we can leave trees on the perimeter. Wherever we disturb the soil, we are required to seed it. James: Where will you run the water off? Milholland: We will have to follow the natural drain. MOTION:MACKEY/KNIGHT The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept land, 2.75 acres, and bank the excess of .25 acres for the green space requirement for England Place. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0 BROPHY ADDITION The PRAB recommends to table Brophy Addition until the engineer is present. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0 LINDSEY PROPERTY Elsass: The land to be donated consists of approximately six acres out of flood plain. It is south of Joyce and north of the Mud Creek. Council members were concerned about density and the concern of moving R -O to a commercial zone. This is how this came about. We are open for suggestions. The Mayor • 3 agreed with Ms. Driver that money is allocated for parks and we cannot stick the development of this park in front of others. We just want to offer it to the City and see if it is beneficial. Currently Butterfield Trail Village has no place to walk. This could be handy for them a trail. This could be a place for shoppers. There will have to be a bridge built somewhere for the second ditch. Lindsey will have some equipment to help build it which would be cheaper. The total donation is 20 acres. Knight: If I were a developer I would give you every floodplain. We don't want this land. They are already talking about wanting this cleaned up within two years We can't take an expense for this right now. Mackey: After sitting there for 38 minutes trying to get on to Joyce Street, I don't think this is a good place for a park. Joyce is a commercial avenue. No one would want to take a family out there. You would need a helicopter to get there Driver: When Butterfield Trail came in we waived their fees because they assured us they would provide all their recreation inside. I feel at this point we are no longer responsible. I understand this donation is contingent on the rezoning? Elsass: All I know now about maintenance is that the Mayor said they could keep it mowed. Driver: That is a different issue from developing the land. Elsass: We could probably clean it out prior to donating. We looked at it more as a walkway or connecting way not so much a park. Driver: I feel the Council tabled this because there is still so much open. It still seems a little ambiguous to me. It does have little use as a park but could be a trail. If no strings are attached, it would be great. It depends on what strings? Elsass: You tell me. I will tell the owner what you want. We had originally wanted something done with the land within two years, but I understand that won't be possible. Waite: It would be 20 years if that is how long it take to connect this trail. It has no point as a park. With no development or maintenance, I would be willing to take it. Driver: I would like you to mow it and let us know how it is. Elsass: It has only been widened in the last 10 or 12 years. The only problem is if a merchant comes in there and the six acres is not maintained, we don't own it to maintain it. If they owned it then they would be responsible. Driver: What about saying we would take the land and maintain what is mowed at the time of deeding to this city. Knight: We could have a drainage situation coming off these 4 • • • lots. Driver: I see this as a maintenance problem but I also see it as a northwest corridor of the trail system. Knight: Why not take a 50 feet easement for a trail? I am afraid we are going to own every flood plain in town and Dale can't afford to hire people to maintain all of them. To own the orange might be good. To own the whole ditch, no. Mackey: I think there should be a buffer between this and the commercial area. I am tired of voting for flood plain. Samuel Segal: I live in Butterfield Trail Village. I live in the cottage that looks over this. After a rain, the area to the west is wet and covered. Many people are opposed after hearing it at the Council meeting. People and children will not walk back here. They are not impressed. Would you want your children playing under the proposed bridge? Richard: I think this is a maintenance nightmare. I can't see why they want to give us this except to get rid of the maintenance. Stone: What do the maintenance people think? Clark: The six acres would be fairly easy to mow. The 19 acres would be a nightmare to maintain. I don't know what level of maintenance would need to be there. Driver: It seems like with Fayetteville growing this fast, we need to have some control over the streams and such and not leave it up to owners. We may not be responsible for this as parks but I feel the trails can solve some of this. This is connected somewhat to recreation. Since we do not have the funding now, maybe have some stipulation of no maintenance. Knight: withdrew the motion to ask developer to give City the six acres for a potential trail. Driver: If you take the six acres, you are cutting off the rest and asking them to maintain the creek. Mackey: If we take it, it should be contingent on us not touching it forever. It is sad that it was scalped and all the wildlife was affected. Bill: If we don't take this, is there a way Trails Advisory could take it in the future. (eminent domain) Here it is a linkage, there is no need for a park there. Why can't they ask the City to condemn what is there? Savage: We could talk all night. Maybe we should wait on a real commitment Driver: If we make a motion to take the land with no development, we have not given the city's resources but just a possibility for the future. Savage: I agree that the City should maintain waterways However that is not parks responsibility. Where would fall? Waite: This motion has nothing to do with rezoning. The 5 etc. this City • • • Council Savage: at this Waite: Daniel: should decide without this. Will they think this is worth something if we take it point? That is what I am concerned with. That is the point of donating this land. Elsass: I never dreamed the City would not want it. This is close to being worth a million for us. It is worth something to us. Eminent domain would mean paying part of a million for this. If you want the six acres and not the creek, we could give ownership to people on south side. We are trying whatever we can to develop this whole area. Savage: This has value. We just have to weigh the cost of keeping it maintained. Daniel: I think I started this with my concern of getting bikes across Highway 71. We haven't talked to State about getting under the bridge. The sidewalks will be extra wide for east and west. Stone: There is too much traffic on Joyce. Driver:Do you mean there are too many curb cuts interrupting bike travel? Mud Creek curls back to Gulley. Daniel: Do you think this it is possible in the future to connect this to Gulley Park? Driver: Yes. James: I don't think we can afford to maintain this. It is not like sprigging or moving a tree. Stone: I have been in Wyoming to maintain a trail If you put an ad in a magazine, people will come from all over to help with trails. I think we can find help. MOTION:STONE/SAVAGE The PRAB recommends to the City Council that if the Lindsey property is rezoned, then accept park land with no stipulations on maintenance or development. MOTION APPROVED 5-3: MACKEY-YES, RICHARD -NO, STONE -YES, WAITE- YES, DRIVER -YES, KNIGHT -NO, JAMES -NO, SAVAGE -YES III. BOTANICAL GARDEN SOCIETY OF THE OZARKS Ralph Odom: We would like funds to label trees. The trees have already been selected and the labels picked out. Driver: There have been some expenses so far that were matching funds. Would this be an outright purchase for $638? Odom: Yes. Driver: What variations of trees? Odom:There are 30 species both smaller and more mature trees. The trees are located throughout the entire trail. 6 c • MOTION:KNIGHT/JAMES The PRAB recommends to approve green space expenditures from the northeast park district of $638 to purchase labels for identifying trees by the Botanical Garden Society of the Ozarks at Lake Fayetteville South. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0 IV. GULLEY PARK PARKING LOT Clark: You requested a traffic count at Gulley Park. The average is 250 cars. There are 26 or 28 space now. My recommendation is to increase this to 30 or 32 cars at one time. I don't think it will encourage any more cars to drive there. It will still be crowded Richard: These counts look reasonable 40 cars per hour. Driver: Should we visit again with the pastor of the church? MOTION:RICHARD/JAMES The PRAB recommends to approve the engineering to enlarge the Gulley Park parking lot to 32 spaces. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0 • V. HMR REPORT Waite: We are acting with McHutcheon Agency to kick off a campaign for the HMR tax. We are working on the logo design, etc. I have contacted Elizabeth Reagan for speaking at civic clubs We will review materials this week and hope to finalize. We are working on a slide show. We need help at Autumnfest manning booths. We will be expanding from here on. Driver: Richard is going to organize a phone campaign that last week. Sturman and David will help with sports leagues. James: We need to contact banks to send flyers out with bank statements. • Other Business: SWEETSER LAND DEDICATION Driver: There has been litigation filed on this. Jack Butt is working on a negotiation to make everyone happy. He wants our input. The property owners want a POA and they want us to locate the trail so that the neighbors can buy back a buffer area. If we can come to a compromise then it will save a lot of money on legal fees in the future. We did stipulate clear title so it is really still between Mr. Sweetser and property owners. I see our input as being the distance between 7 • • • vegetation screening and the trail. My concern is that there a couple of places bridges will be needed. We need to keep this in mind to have narrow enough spot to span this bridge so buffer won't interfere. Mr. Butte could not make it but he would like input on this. Waite: Is Mr. Sweetser party to this negotiation? We had to pay for this land. If we don't have clear title is it worth it. Mr. Sweetser needs to be involved in this. Stone: I have walked this trail. It is naturally by the creek. I can't see building a wall there. I did not feel threatening to the neighbors when I walked there. Savage: If there are buffers such as tall trees, etc, it could seem unsafe on the trail. Waite: I have no objection to working with the people. Driver: This is merely for out input. The case will probably be between them, but this is our chance to have some input on the outcome. Stone: Our intention is to have the trail as close as possible to the creek. Maximum of 20 feet probably. Driver: Do you see uniformity of screenage? Clark: No but we could suggest different types. Savage: This would create a haven for kids that are doing things that should not be done. I would feel safer as a walker without barriers. Driver: Would we need to help fund vegetative screening? Waite: Doing it for the property owners benefit is a little different. We will cooperate with them but earmarking funds would be a nightmare. Savage: We cannot sell buffer areas to the neighbors because that would be selling green space. The next meeting will be September 11, 1995 Savage: I think we should consider concrete for youth baseball. Cox: Lake Sequoyah leases are being County Abstract. The meeting adjourned at 7:30 Minutes Approved: fence dugouts instead of researched by Washington 8