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II.
Parks and Recreation Advisory Board
Dale D. Clark, Parks and Recreation Director
August 2, 1995
PRAB Meeting on Monday, August 7, 1995 at 5:30 pm
in room 219 of the City Administration Building
Approval of June 5, 1995 PRAB regular meeting
minutes
Approval of July 3, 1995 PRAB regular meeting
minutes
Approval of July 24, 1995 special meeting minutes.
GREEN SPACE
North Street Apartments
Owner Developer: Carl Walker
Location: West of Gregg Street, North of North Street
Park Dist: NW
Units: 24 Multi -Family
Land Ded: .48 acres
Money in Iieu: $5,760
As Proposed: .25 acres and $2,760
Master Plan: No Priority: Neighborhood 11; Existing acres - 55; 1990 needs
41 to 82; 2010 needs - 52 to 104.
Staff Recommendation:
Wedington Place Addition
Owner/Developer: McFarland,Miller, Edgin/ Clary Development
Location: South of Hwy 16, East of the Walnut Park Subdivision
Park Dist: NW
Units: 37 duplex, 2 triplex (80 multi units)
Land Ded: 1.6 acres
Money in lieu: $19,200
Master Plan: No priority: Neighborhood 12; Existing acres 9; 1990 needs - 7.5
to 15; 2010 needs - 13 to 36 (does not include park acreage taken since Master
Plan written)
Staff Recommendation: Money In Lieu
England Place
Owner/Developer: Don England
Location: East of 71B, between Nonamaker and 19th Street
Park Dist: SE
Units: 110 single family
Land Ded: 2.75 acres
Money in lieu: $33,000
Master Plan: No priority: Neighborhood 6; Existing acres - 211; 1990 needs
15 to 30; 2010 needs - 17-34.
Staff Recomendation: Park Land
III Botanical Garden Society of the Ozarks - Donna Porter
IV. Gulley Park Parking Lot - Dale Clark
V. HMR Tax Report - Susan Driver
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PRAB
REGULAR MEETING
AUGUST 7, 1995
Members Present: Driver, James, Knight, Mackey, Richard, Stone,
Waite, Savage
Staff Present: Clark, Cox
Guests Present:
Brian Ray,(Development Consultants) Ralph Odom,
Tom Henley (Jorgenson), Heather Daniel, Mel
Milholland, Kurt Elsass, Samuel Segal
Media Present: Ron Wood, Rusty Garrett
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The meeting was called to order at 5:30 pm by Susan Driver.
BUSINESS:
I. MOTION:MACKEY/WAITE
The minutes from the June 5, 1995, July 3, 1995 and July 24,
1995 meetings were approved unanimously 7-0
II. GREEN SPACE
North Street Apartments
Owner/Developer: Carl Walker
Location: W. Of Gregg Street, N. Of North Street
Park Dist:
Units:
Land Ded:
Money in Lieu:
As Proposed:
Master Plan:
55: 1990 needs
NW
24 multi -family
. 48 acres
$5,760
. 25 acres and $2,760
No Priority; Neighborhood 11; existing acres
41 to 82; 2010 needs 52 to 104
DISCUSSION:
Tom Henley: We had to redesign the plans and there was .25
acres at the end of the 10 ft access easement. We thought it
might suffice for a land dedication. Ten feet is the maximum
we could fit in between the buildings with the parking. We
would encroach upon the 25 feet setback if we gave anymore.
Waite: I don't see any point in taking this.
Knight: There is a pretty steep point here.
Henley: On the east, it is but not on the other side.
Clark: No staff recommendation, I know there were thoughts
of a trail to connect this.
Driver: If you could give more land along the easement, we
would consider it.
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MOTION:WAITE/KNIGHT
The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept
money, $5,760, in lieu of a land dedication for the green
space requirement for North Street Apartments.
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0
Wedington Place
Owner/Developer: McFarland, Miller, Edgin/Clary Dev.
Location: S. Of Hwy 16, E. Of Walnut Park Subd.
Park Dist: NW
Units: 37 duplex, 2 triplex (80 units)
Land Ded: 1.6 acres
Money in lieu: $19,200
Master Plan: No priority: Neighborhood 12; existing acres 9;
1990 needs 7.5 to 15; 2010 needs 13 to 36
DISCUSSION:
Brian Ray: We would prefer to give money in lieu of the land.
Clark: This is close to Davis Park. It would be good if kids
have access to the park through the drainage easements.
MOTION:KNIGHT/WAITE
The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept
money, $19,200, in lieu of a land dedication for the green
space requirement for Wedington Place.
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0 I
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ENGLAND PLACE
Owner/Developer: Don England
Location: E. Of Hwy 71B, between Nonamaker & 19th Street
Park Dist: SE
Units: 110 single family
Land Ded: 2.75 acres
Money in lieu: $33,000
Master Plan: No priority; neighborhood 6; existing acres
211; 1990 needs 15 to 30; 2010 needs 17 to 34
Mel Milholland: We may drop a few more lots. I have developed
a central park location like you asked. I would like to bank
the excess. This is about 3 acres which would be about .25
over the required.
Driver: I appreciate you drawing this again.
Knight: It is a ditch. What happens when you get in there?
It is not usable for a volleyball court or anything.
Milholland:We will have plenty of disposable material if you
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would like us to clean it out for you or whatever.
Mackey: Will the water go down 19th Street?
Milholland: Yes, we have two natural crosses now.
Knight: This land will have to be built up.
Milholland: I did not if you were looking for a nature park or
a park with ballfields and swings. We will have plenty of
waste. We will work with you any way you want.
Driver: This is close to Walker which has ballfields. We were
looking for a green area that is close to the homes.
Milholland: If you put disposal on the trees, it would kill
them anyway.
Driver: I would like to see the trees remain to a large
extent. WE are not looking for a ballfield capacity.
Milholland: I can't say we would have enough material to make
it level.
Mackey: If it is a neighborhood park, we need to clear the
underbrush to make it safe but leave the big trees.
Milholland: If you put two inches of dirt on a tree, it will
kill the roots. You will need to get some level space in
there. I think we can leave trees on the perimeter. Wherever
we disturb the soil, we are required to seed it.
James: Where will you run the water off?
Milholland: We will have to follow the natural drain.
MOTION:MACKEY/KNIGHT
The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept land,
2.75 acres, and bank the excess of .25 acres for the green
space requirement for England Place.
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0
BROPHY ADDITION
The PRAB recommends to table Brophy Addition until the
engineer is present.
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0
LINDSEY PROPERTY
Elsass: The land to be donated consists of approximately six
acres out of flood plain. It is south of Joyce and north of
the Mud Creek. Council members were concerned about density
and the concern of moving R -O to a commercial zone. This is
how this came about. We are open for suggestions. The Mayor
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agreed with Ms. Driver that money is allocated for parks and
we cannot stick the development of this park in front of
others. We just want to offer it to the City and see if it is
beneficial. Currently Butterfield Trail Village has no place
to walk. This could be handy for them a trail. This could be
a place for shoppers. There will have to be a bridge built
somewhere for the second ditch. Lindsey will have some
equipment to help build it which would be cheaper. The total
donation is 20 acres.
Knight: If I were a developer I would give you every
floodplain. We don't want this land. They are already
talking about wanting this cleaned up within two years We
can't take an expense for this right now.
Mackey: After sitting there for 38 minutes trying to get on
to Joyce Street, I don't think this is a good place for a
park. Joyce is a commercial avenue. No one would want to
take a family out there. You would need a helicopter to get
there
Driver: When Butterfield Trail came in we waived their fees
because they assured us they would provide all their
recreation inside. I feel at this point we are no longer
responsible. I understand this donation is contingent on the
rezoning?
Elsass: All I know now about maintenance is that the Mayor
said they could keep it mowed.
Driver: That is a different issue from developing the land.
Elsass: We could probably clean it out prior to donating. We
looked at it more as a walkway or connecting way not so much
a park.
Driver: I feel the Council tabled this because there is still
so much open. It still seems a little ambiguous to me. It
does have little use as a park but could be a trail. If no
strings are attached, it would be great. It depends on what
strings?
Elsass: You tell me. I will tell the owner what you want.
We had originally wanted something done with the land within
two years, but I understand that won't be possible.
Waite: It would be 20 years if that is how long it take to
connect this trail. It has no point as a park. With no
development or maintenance, I would be willing to take it.
Driver: I would like you to mow it and let us know how it is.
Elsass: It has only been widened in the last 10 or 12 years.
The only problem is if a merchant comes in there and the six
acres is not maintained, we don't own it to maintain it. If
they owned it then they would be responsible.
Driver: What about saying we would take the land and maintain
what is mowed at the time of deeding to this city.
Knight: We could have a drainage situation coming off these
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lots.
Driver: I see this as a maintenance problem but I also see it
as a northwest corridor of the trail system.
Knight: Why not take a 50 feet easement for a trail? I am
afraid we are going to own every flood plain in town and Dale
can't afford to hire people to maintain all of them. To own
the orange might be good. To own the whole ditch, no.
Mackey: I think there should be a buffer between this and the
commercial area. I am tired of voting for flood plain.
Samuel Segal: I live in Butterfield Trail Village. I live in
the cottage that looks over this. After a rain, the area to
the west is wet and covered. Many people are opposed after
hearing it at the Council meeting. People and children will
not walk back here. They are not impressed. Would you want
your children playing under the proposed bridge?
Richard: I think this is a maintenance nightmare. I can't
see why they want to give us this except to get rid of the
maintenance.
Stone: What do the maintenance people think?
Clark: The six acres would be fairly easy to mow. The 19
acres would be a nightmare to maintain. I don't know what
level of maintenance would need to be there.
Driver: It seems like with Fayetteville growing this fast, we
need to have some control over the streams and such and not
leave it up to owners. We may not be responsible for this as
parks but I feel the trails can solve some of this. This is
connected somewhat to recreation. Since we do not have the
funding now, maybe have some stipulation of no maintenance.
Knight: withdrew the motion to ask developer to give City the
six acres for a potential trail.
Driver: If you take the six acres, you are cutting off the
rest and asking them to maintain the creek.
Mackey: If we take it, it should be contingent on us not
touching it forever. It is sad that it was scalped and all
the wildlife was affected.
Bill: If we don't take this, is there a way Trails Advisory
could take it in the future. (eminent domain) Here it is a
linkage, there is no need for a park there. Why can't they ask
the City to condemn what is there?
Savage: We could talk all night. Maybe we should wait on a
real commitment
Driver: If we make a motion to take the land with no
development, we have not given the city's resources but just
a possibility for the future.
Savage: I agree that the City should maintain waterways
However that is not parks responsibility. Where would
fall?
Waite: This motion has nothing to do with rezoning. The
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Council
Savage:
at this
Waite:
Daniel:
should decide without this.
Will they think this is worth something if we take it
point?
That is what I am concerned with.
That is the point of donating this land.
Elsass: I never dreamed the City would not want it. This is
close to being worth a million for us. It is worth something
to us. Eminent domain would mean paying part of a million for
this. If you want the six acres and not the creek, we could
give ownership to people on south side. We are trying
whatever we can to develop this whole area.
Savage: This has value. We just have to weigh the cost of
keeping it maintained.
Daniel: I think I started this with my concern of getting
bikes across Highway 71. We haven't talked to State about
getting under the bridge. The sidewalks will be extra wide
for east and west.
Stone: There is too much traffic on Joyce.
Driver:Do you mean there are too many curb cuts interrupting
bike travel? Mud Creek curls back to Gulley.
Daniel: Do you think this it is possible in the future to
connect this to Gulley Park?
Driver: Yes.
James: I don't think we can afford to maintain this. It is
not like sprigging or moving a tree.
Stone: I have been in Wyoming to maintain a trail If you put
an ad in a magazine, people will come from all over to help
with trails. I think we can find help.
MOTION:STONE/SAVAGE
The PRAB recommends to the City Council that if the Lindsey
property is rezoned, then accept park land with no
stipulations on maintenance or development.
MOTION APPROVED 5-3: MACKEY-YES, RICHARD -NO, STONE -YES, WAITE-
YES, DRIVER -YES, KNIGHT -NO, JAMES -NO, SAVAGE -YES
III. BOTANICAL GARDEN SOCIETY OF THE OZARKS
Ralph Odom: We would like funds to label trees. The trees
have already been selected and the labels picked out.
Driver: There have been some expenses so far that were
matching funds. Would this be an outright purchase for $638?
Odom: Yes.
Driver: What variations of trees?
Odom:There are 30 species both smaller and more mature trees.
The trees are located throughout the entire trail.
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MOTION:KNIGHT/JAMES
The PRAB recommends to approve green space expenditures from
the northeast park district of $638 to purchase labels for
identifying trees by the Botanical Garden Society of the
Ozarks at Lake Fayetteville South.
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0
IV. GULLEY PARK PARKING LOT
Clark: You requested a traffic count at Gulley Park. The
average is 250 cars. There are 26 or 28 space now. My
recommendation is to increase this to 30 or 32 cars at one
time. I don't think it will encourage any more cars to drive
there. It will still be crowded
Richard: These counts look reasonable 40 cars per hour.
Driver: Should we visit again with the pastor of the church?
MOTION:RICHARD/JAMES
The PRAB recommends to approve the engineering to enlarge the
Gulley Park parking lot to 32 spaces.
MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 8-0
• V. HMR REPORT
Waite: We are acting with McHutcheon Agency to kick off a
campaign for the HMR tax. We are working on the logo design,
etc. I have contacted Elizabeth Reagan for speaking at civic
clubs We will review materials this week and hope to
finalize. We are working on a slide show. We need help at
Autumnfest manning booths. We will be expanding from here on.
Driver: Richard is going to organize a phone campaign that
last week. Sturman and David will help with sports leagues.
James: We need to contact banks to send flyers out with bank
statements.
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Other Business:
SWEETSER LAND DEDICATION
Driver: There has been litigation filed on this. Jack Butt is
working on a negotiation to make everyone happy. He wants our
input. The property owners want a POA and they want us to
locate the trail so that the neighbors can buy back a buffer
area. If we can come to a compromise then it will save a lot
of money on legal fees in the future. We did stipulate clear
title so it is really still between Mr. Sweetser and property
owners. I see our input as being the distance between
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vegetation screening and the trail. My concern is that there
a couple of places bridges will be needed. We need to keep
this in mind to have narrow enough spot to span this bridge so
buffer won't interfere. Mr. Butte could not make it but he
would like input on this.
Waite: Is Mr. Sweetser party to this negotiation? We had to
pay for this land. If we don't have clear title is it worth
it. Mr. Sweetser needs to be involved in this.
Stone: I have walked this trail. It is naturally by the
creek. I can't see building a wall there. I did not feel
threatening to the neighbors when I walked there.
Savage: If there are buffers such as tall trees, etc, it could
seem unsafe on the trail.
Waite: I have no objection to working with the people.
Driver: This is merely for out input. The case will probably
be between them, but this is our chance to have some input on
the outcome.
Stone: Our intention is to have the trail as close as
possible to the creek. Maximum of 20 feet probably.
Driver: Do you see uniformity of screenage?
Clark: No but we could suggest different types.
Savage: This would create a haven for kids that are doing
things that should not be done. I would feel safer as a
walker without barriers.
Driver: Would we need to help fund vegetative screening?
Waite: Doing it for the property owners benefit is a little
different. We will cooperate with them but earmarking funds
would be a nightmare.
Savage: We cannot sell buffer areas to the neighbors because
that would be selling green space.
The next meeting will be September 11, 1995
Savage: I think we should consider
concrete for youth baseball.
Cox: Lake Sequoyah leases are being
County Abstract.
The meeting adjourned at 7:30
Minutes Approved:
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