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Home My WebLink About1995-01-09 - Minutes• • • Members Present: Members Absent: Staff Present: Guests Present: PRAB REGULAR MEETING JANUARY 9, 1995 Driver, James, Knight, Mackey, Savage, Waite, Wright Kimbrough Clark, Cox, Dugwyler David Meldrum, Marilyn Johnson, Ed Hogan, Ron Newell, Richard Doyle, Mark Marquess, Mel Milholland, Alisa Williams, Stephen Miller, Paul Dunn, Mike Robinson, Thomas Pevehouse, Joyce McCann, Mr. McCann, Greg Bone, Richard Bundrick, Bill Rudasill, David Leib Media Present: Channel 5, Morning News, NWA Times BUSINESS: I. MOTION:WAITE/Mackey The minutes from the November 7, 1994 meeting were approved unanimously 6-0. II. SWEETSER DONATION OF LAND Driver: There was some question as to the drainage problem along that creek. We believe there will be some value of connecting Gulley Park and Routh Park. We need to consider banking. It is approximately 12 acres. Waite: It is hard to decide. I think the amount of money has a very distinct bearing. I would feel more comfortable with a concrete proposal. Driver: We have no process for land appraisal. My understanding is that we would bank it at the set value per acre. Waite: Some of the area is in the creek, and not able to be built upon. That leaves some question. I think the acceptance of the land and the banking issue are two different recommendations. McCann: Was any consideration given to the property owners? Driver: We have not had a public meeting, but we will. McCann: This is about the third time this has come through. We voice our objections each time. WE don't want people walking through there. We do not want the same problem here as the one at Lake Fayetteville South. We have spent a lot of time cleaning up there when it floods. But that is not the issue. We are worried about opening that up to everyone. Wright: We talked to two residents when we were at the site. They were for us taking this land. McCann: WE have a lot of people that oppose it. • • • Wright: erosion. over. McCann: Mackey: you? McCann: PRAB Page 2 They said the creek needed stabilized to stop It looks like it would save trees if we took it We have offered to buy this land. Why wouldn't Sweetser want to sell this land to It is worth more to him as a tax write off and as banking for Green Space. Paul Dunn: When we had all the floods, it never got over the bank. I am familiar what goes on with the park situations. In Little Rock, we had a lot of problems with drugs and homosexuals in a alley park with no lighting. They finally had to shut down the one in Little Rock. Driver: We are trying to make a trail that does not use motorized vehicles. These problems you mentioned can't be a deterrent against acquiring park land. Dunn: This was the same thing in Little Rock. They acquired the alley for trails. It is not safe for the children. Knight: Have you got drug problem in Gulley Park? I don't think it is fair to compare this with Little Rock. We don't have any problems with Gulley now. Dunn: Gulley is lit and police are there. Driver: How is the drainage? Dunn: I do not have a problem and I am right in the flood plain. Joyce McCann: We won't compare it to Little Rock; we will compare it to Fayetteville. We have to clean it up at after every flood. Mr Sweetser will be able to provide more lots if you fix the creek. He won't be out anything. He will get free maintenance. The people along Country Way will not have privacy. Mr. Sweetser agreed that as long as we maintained this land we could keep it. Driver: Do you have a copy of an agreement with Mr. Sweetser? McCann: Yes, at home. He said we could put gardens, portable buildings, and maintain it while retaining the privacy. The park patrol can drive into Gulley Park. Who will foot patrol the trail? The City will have a lot of expense for Jerry Sweetser to build a couple of new lots. Mackey: What are the estimates of the houses here? McCann: Mine is about $90,000. It won't be the residents or the City that profit from this. It will be Jerry Sweetser. Ed Hogan: The comparisons to other parks might happen. It is possible. I have never seen Routh Park used in my life. The land is in essence green space now. It is a 100 year flood plain and nothing can be done with it. If you take the land, you have only aggravated your • • • PRAB Page 3 responsibility. It is a green space now. Sweetser can certainly use the money or land trade. Wright: This may not be a trade. We want to know if it is good for a trail. Mackey: I think this banking thing is different from the recommendation we made. It changes the picture. Driver: We would have to have public meetings. If this is the tip of the iceberg, we will have lots of public comment. Savage: Is there a precedent? Knight: If this is thousands and thousands of dollars, we don't want it. We need to see the agreement. Driver: WE need Sweetser here. MOTION:WRIGHT/SAVAGE, The PRAB recommends to table this item. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0 This item will be considered again after PRAB sees agreement with property owners and Jerry Sweetser. Also, the PRAB wants Sweetser's proposal on the donation and banking. III. HIDDEN LAKE Driver: One change is the path of the trail on the drainage pond. They are giving 4.75 acres of land and 1.1 is required. Milholland: We would actually be adding land. It would provide better access to the park land. There would be no public parking, but it is accessible from the cul-de- sac. Now you will have 85 to 90 feet of access. Marquess: There will be sidewalks through the subdivision. Milholland: If you wanted a few parking spaces, there would be room to do it. You called it a retention pond. What you see now is really close to what it will be like. There is only water in it some times. A detention pond will slow the water down and run it through the culvert. The water will not stay there for long. Driver: Will be explicit with the residents that this will be a public trail? Marquess: Yes they know it will be a park. James: How narrow is it between Lot 37 and 38? Milholland: Planning approved this if we deleted 38. Clark: The pond will need some attention from time to time. We are getting into an area we have not been in. We need to look to the Street Department. If we allow banking, what value are we looking at? On the south side we could get a hard surface trail. Milholland: My understanding is that for each living unit you require certain acreage. I heard you say you IV. 413 4 kt • PRAB Page 4 are worried about a trail. I don't think the detention pond would affect a trail. It would not be a swift rush of water just some backup for a short time. Driver: This had no use except for flood plain. Milholland: The retention is above the 100 year flood plain. Marquess: We took this over 4 months ago. It had 67 lots on it. The pond was gone in this proposal. We want the pond. In a lot of cases, people donate land for parks that cannot be used. We believe we are giving an area that is good for a park. We will lose three lots by keeping the pond. The appeal is concerning a drainage issue that is on the other side on Ramsey. Even after a large rain, the pond is still a clear blue. Clark: How many houses per acre? Milholland: There are 15 acres with 44 lots. This is just shy of three houses per acre. Clark: Banking must stay in the same quadrant. Marquess: We should just trade acres. We are going to put some nice things out there. Waite: I think the acres will equal out. It's a different multiplier. Mackey: What is the benefit to the City? Driver: This area will provide a recreation area with a foot path. They have modified their development to meet the needs of the people. MOTION:WRIGHT/KNIGHT The PRAB. recommends to bank the excessacreage with a maximum_of twp acreswto be used in..the development of R-1 housing in the Northeast park district. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0 BRIDGEPORT Rudasill: This is a retention pond and a detention pond. It will protect the areas downstream. Driver: Mr Doyle is willing to put this into writing. Rudasill: There will be times when excess amounts of water will come through there. We don't want water to wash the park out. The pond will be 8 feet deep. We want to talk to the Game and Fish Commission about proper depths for fish. Driver: You were going to look at dam plans to see if anyone has fabricated a solution for the leaking problem encountered in this type of soil. Doyle: No, not yet Rudasill: We just want to make sure you want a pond on your property. • PRAB Page 6 Doyle: We understand you don't have enough money. The people in the area are concerned about maintenance of their park. We have adopted a POA. It will say whatever you do not do they will be responsible for. Wright: Have you talked to any POA's that share a pond like at Boardwalk? Driver: That one is not open to the public though. Doyle: We want it to be open to the public as a whole for the community benefit. There are people that play basketball there now. If people don't want this as a public park they need to buy a house elsewhere. Clark: I asked Legal Council about our liability. With tort immunity we shouldn't have a problem. Siloam and Springdale both have parks with water. There will be some maintenance over the long haul. The question is how long till it fills up with silt? Rudasill: There will be provisions to drain the pond from bottom. MOTION:MACKEY/WRIGHT The PRAB recommends to accept this proposal for a pond the park as presented. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0 in Q,0(1 ctf V. GREATHOUSE PARK LAND PURCHASE REQUEST Clark: Mr. Jordan lives in the log cabin by the park. He wants to utilize some park land for parking vehicles. He wants to enter into a long term lease or purchase the land. He has dump trucks and is looking for an extra 30 feet. I don't think we are in the business of selling park land. The most we could do is to let him use some. Driver: That would be letting park land be used for private business. MOTION:JAMES/WAITE The PRAB denies the request to sell any land at Greathouse Park to Bob Jordan. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0 VI. AD Hoc Report Waite: The ad hoc committee has recommended a one cent HMR tax and possibly a 1/4 cent sales tax to gain capital funds. We need an education plan. We need a more formal mechanism for private funds for parks. We will come up with more concrete ideas at the last meeting. Driver: I understood that we need a vote from this board approving these funding sources. Waite: The ad hoc approved a one cent HMR tax to be coupled with an occasional sales tax. The projects and amounts would be very specific. • • • PRAB Page 7 Knight: My concern is that if we don't have a program for that one cent. It sounds pretty good to say it is for maintenance if we build into it controlling problem areas such as drugs, etc. Waite- It is not just a maintenance idea, but also capital development. It is more sensible to acquire land ahead of developments, but we do not have the money now. Driver: I think the prioritization of projects will fall to PRAB. Knight: Can't we vote to approve this with a good program? Driver: Our board needs to approve this ad hoc recommendation. The HMR tax would help us catch up with capital improvements and help us maintain them. If we need additional in the future we can implement a 1/4 cent sales tax. There is no prioritization at this time. Waite: HMR cannot handle the big items. We would need to sell them individually. Driver: WE as a board will be spearheading the education aspect. Ad hoc members have also committed to this. There is definite need for organized education. Wright: What happens if we get the HMR and they lower our budget? Driver: It will help alleviate the city budget. The city can divert some funds to help with infrastructure needs. We tried to find funding that would not put the needs of parks over the other needs of the city. Wright: Will the hotel owners not like this? Mackey: By them making more money, we make better facilities and bring more people back into town. MOTION:JAMES/KNIGHT The PRAB approves the recommendation of the Ad hoc Committee to pursue funding sources through an HMR tax and 1/4 cent sales tax. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 7-0 VII. GREEN SPACE REPORT Dugwyler: These are new forms I have made for the office and for your information. We will base our recommendations on this checklist. All of these things on page 1, 2, and 3 are required in taking land or money. Driver: I would like to see an addendum to this form for the banking procedure. PRAB Page 7 VIII. LAKE FAYETTEVILLE TRAIL James: Here is a letter from Tim Ernst. I would like recommendations on this letter. The most critical items are the bridges and drainage ditches. A bridge at Clear creek and the dam are very important. Where do we go from here? Driver: Bill Ackerman has done a tremendous amount of volunteer work around this area. Would a floating bridge bear resemblance to the dock for the handicapped. Should Johnny contact him? James: Tim met with Hal Brown and coaches from the High School. Knight: The trail part would be easy with volunteers. The bridges would be the hard part. Drivers I feel this is a priority for many reasons. One is that it will increase the usage of Lake Fayetteville South. I recommend that this be top of the line. Knight: I think it should be a top priority for Lake Fayetteville South. The police want to close it but I think it is important to fix the problem. We need to push that pavilion as fast as possible. This park has no use right now. Driver: I disagree. I walk that trail all the time. Mackey: If there is illegal activity going on, enforce the law. Wright: The police decided that is not a problem. I called the Mayor and asked him to get a police officer to our next meeting to see what will help with the situation. Driver: I want to compliment Johnny on the wonderful job. James: Will you see if someone will look at the elevation on 265? Waite: Do we need to reorganize CIP projects since we don't know about HMR yet? OTHER BUSINESS: GREEN SPACE Greg Bone: We are trying to rezone an area on Highway 16 West , west of 54th Street. The development would be 50 acres with a 5 acre outparcel in front. This would leave 45 developed acres if rezoned 1.5. The outparcel is an existing single family residence. We will plat around that. This is about 100 affordable housing lots. not the total development should be 180 acres. Wright: With one entry, it would be more of a neighborhood park. How about land for this phase and cash for the next phase. Could you call a special meeting if necessary? Driver: I would suggest an on site meeting. • • • • PRAB Page 8 WALKER PARK BASEBALL Mackey: The first meetings for summer baseball are tomorrow. What are plans for Walker? Clark: We need a topographical survey and it is in Butch Green's hands. He is trying to lay out the fields requested there. Hopefully we will bring it to PRAB on the first meeting in February. POLICE REPORT Wright: Do we want police to attend our next PRAB for a report on parks. Driver: That would be great. Meeting adjourned at 8:00 pm. Minutes Approved: GREEN SPACE RECOMMENDATION 1995 ADDITIONIPARK DISTRICT ED DATE DEVELOPER MOTION PASSEIMONEY IN LIFIVI AND Hidden Lake NE 01/09/95 Mllholland 7-0 (1.1 acres are required, bank excess acreage In development of R-1 housing in the NE Park District) Bridgeport Willow Splmgs Phase III NW NW Coyote Trail - new name NW ofd name' Dean Solomon Pace Sam Rogers Archer Property Fieldstone Phase III Herttage Village North Street Apartments Jerry Caster Development Salem Village Salem Village Emerald Phase II Daviel Lyle SubdNsion (NOW BAWARI PARK) North Street Apartments Wedington Place England Place England Place SE SW NW NW NW SW NW NW NE SE NW NW SE SE 01/09/95 Richard Doyle - Owner 02/06/95 Ralph Walker 0210695 E.H. Sonneman 02(06/95 Sam Rogers 02/13/95 Richard Bundrick 02/1355 Castle Development Co. 02/1355 Richard Bundrick 03/06/95 Carl Walker 03/06/95 Jerry caster 03/06/95 Bob Whitfield 03/13/98 Bob WhNleld 06/05/95 J.B. Hays 072455 David Lyle 080755 Cad Walker 08/07/95 McFarland,Miller,Edgin/Clary Dev 08/07/95 Don England 09/1155 Don England Brophy Add. II NE 09/11/95 Bill Rudaslll (WAS BRONZE TREE P.U.D. per Planning - they have no record of the amt owed 397) MxrMn Gardena SE BoLv d•Aro Pna I S�Y.a��4�aS sw Sequoyah Preserve - new name -okl name. Dan Cordy Property SE 11/06/95 Robert WestpahVJorgenson 11/06/95 Richard Bundrick 12/04/95 Dan Goody 7-0 5-0 5-0 50 6-0 5-1 50 6-0 6-0 n/a 60 5-0 4-0 8-0 60 8-0 5-0 5-0 7-0 7-0 Land Dedication, 4.75 acres Accept pond in park area from 12/93 See 7/7/97 minutes 8 1994 gs recommendation Land Dedication, 1.75 acres Money in Lieu, $8,160 Money in Lieu, $16,800 Money in Lieu, $5,700 Land Dedication, 1.05 acres Land Dedication, 4.0 acres Money in Lieu, $5,520 Money in Lieu, $7,200 will meet on site on 3/13/95 Take 3 59 acres contingent that the lull green space of approx. 13 acres S open for public usage 8 stated as so in the P.O. A. Money In Lieu, $900 Land Dedication, 6.99 acres (Required 3.83, Dedicated 3.22 = Total 7.05 acres) Money in Lieu, 55,760 Money in Lieu, 519,200 Land Dedication, 2.75 acres w/.25 acres banked probably won't happen per/ND 397 Land Dedication, 6.36 acres probably vont happen per/ND 397 Money in Lieu Our Minutes & Planning does not state the amt Money in Lieu, 57,500 Money in Lieu, 53,000 7-0 Money m Lieu, $3,000 Highpoint 1/1&96? Jim Pew or Vernon Turk 12 lots, duplex rots, on 1229.5 changed hon 5 single and - 16 multi to 24 multi $5,34010 55760 - SW Fieldstone Phase 18 2 • 2.59 acres Fieldstone Phase 5 v $4,410 Fieldstone Phase 4 • $18,875 as of 8/97 c:98plats-Lotus 10/07/98 Chanes Made 17,680-723198 34 multi to 32 multi *11,4009MI96ie1ots 18 single - 8300 ea total $8,700 5/14/99 758 - $3,300 now 11 lots MT' Liet2 St nes etatt qprile „ p 4f(0l9°