HomeMy WebLinkAbout1994-07-11 - Minutes• • • Members Present: Members Absent: Staff Present: Media Present: Guests Present: BUSINESS: PRAB REGULAR MEETING JULY 11, 1994 Driver, Wright James, Kimbrough, Mackey, Waite, Savage Clark, Cox, Edmonston Beth Finzer-NW Times, Rebecca Tucker -Morning News See attached list I. MOTION:WAITE/JAMES The minutes from the June 6, 1994 regular meeting and the June 21, 1994 special meeting were approved unanimously 5-0. Kimbrough:I would like to complete a questionnaire for the Davis Park neighborhood and deliver it door to door. II. Lake Fayetteville Trail Proposal Lee Martin:We both do a lot of waking for our health. I think you have a resource at Lake Fayetteville and considerable potential for walking and hiking. There is lots of wilderness and great trees. I think there could be some great trails that are not difficult to maintain. It might need a collaboration with the school system. There are over three hundred acres there and it would be a matter of creating rights and responsibilities. I think you could get volunteers and help from the school district. Bob Garnett: The trails need to be connected. It would be a more interesting experience if one could walk all the way around the lake. It would be used by more people. Clark: Mr. Martin and Mr. Garnett would lend expertise on helping to develop the trail around the lake and make a complete circle. We have talked about this from time to time. I think it is an interesting proposal. It would be nice to find the funds to make it go, although we do not have any dollar amounts now. Waite: Who is proposing to look at this? Clark: Mr. Martin and Mr. Garnett will. Driver: How do you see this working with the proposal by cross country runners. Do you see a compatible usage between walker and runners? • • PRAB PAGE 2 Martin: Yes, it would have to be a little wider on the south side. Hikers do very little damage to the environment. Trail bikes do the damage. Waite: Sometimes they do feel incompatibility even if you don't. Martin: The trail would be about eight miles around the lake. There is a lot of room there to walk. Waite: At the last meeting, the center was willing to compromise.. They were concerned of the amount of people on their trail. MOTION: WAITE/KIMBROUGH The PRAB approves Bill Martin and Bob Garnett to examine the possibility of a trail around Lake Fayetteville. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0. III. Green Space Ordinance Procedures Edmonton: I have written guidelines to give to developers to let them know the time frame. Kimbrough: How are the fees implemented? Edmonston: When developers buy a building permit they must pay the parks fee. We receive a copy of the receipt and finance receives a copy. The internal auditor is reviewing. IV. Green Space Plats BOXWOOD ADDITION Owner/Developer: Location: Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: Park Plan: Atlas Construction South of Old Wire, East of Azalea NE 53 single family 20.25 acres 1.33 acres $11,925 No priority; neighborhood 1; existing park acres; 1990 needs to 44 acres; 2010 needs 34 to acres. 72 22 68 Boxwood consists of a portion of the existing Creekside Addition and incorporated into Boxwood Addition. MOTION:WAITE/JAMES The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept a land dedication for the green space requirement as offered by the developer for Boxwood Addition. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0 • • • ASHBROOK HILL ADDITION Owner/Developer: Location: Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: Park Plan: PRAB PAGE 3 Jerry Sweetser South of Old Wire, NE 12 single family 3.76 acres .3 acres $3,600 No priority; neighborhood 3; existing park acres; 1990 needs to 42 acres; 2010 needs 25 to acres. East of Azalea 26 21 50 MOTION:WAITE/MACKEY The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept money, $3,600, in lieu of a land dedication for the green space requirement for Ashbrook Hill Addition. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 5-0 LEVERETT STREET TOWNHOUSES Owner/Developer: Jerry Sweetser Location: Leverett Street, North of North Street NW 24 multi family 1.97 acres .3 acres $5,760 No priority; neighborhood 11; 28 existing park acres; 1990 needs 41 to 82 acres; 2010 needs 52 to 104 acres. Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: Park Plan: MOTION:JAMES/WAITE The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept money, $5,760, in lieu of a land dedication for the green space requirement for Leverett Street Townhouses. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 6-0 SAVANNA ESTATES PHASE V Owner/Developer: Mark Foster and Buddy Peoples Location: East of Hwy 265, South of Skillern Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: NE 95 single family 49.65 acres 2.38 acres $28,500 • • • • A) CI -1444 Park Plan: PRAB PAGE 4 No priority; existing park to 1.7 acres; acres. neighborhood 2; 45 acres; 1990 needs .8 2010 needs 1.5 to 3 DISCUSSION: Jorgenson:The developers hope this park will provide a walking trail that would connect Skillern Road to the north. It would eventually connect to the creek that runs up the east side of 265. The developer's questions are who would install the trail and would it be lit? Driver:It would fall into a list of priorities and might be delayed longer than the developer would like. Jorgenson:They would prefer the trail not be lit so lights will not shine into people's backyards. Waite:There is no room for parking. Is there room for picnic tables? Is this enough room for a park? Driver:With 95 units, there would be enough use of the park without outside access. Jorgenson:There will be a homeowner's association set up The developer might help with the basic grading and improvements to the stream bed for the trail. Kimbrough:If the trail takes ten years to build, who will mow it now? Jorgenson:I do not think it will be a problem. I think it will be self -policed. Edmonston:We have never had a park surrounded by private property owners. Will there be access to the park. Jorgenson:The POA can always take care of the trail and the developer can pay parks fees. If any puts up fence, it will only come to the park property. MOTION: WRIGHT/KIMBROUGH The PRAB recommends to the Planning commission to accept a land dedication for the green space requirement for Savanna Estates Phase four and five. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 6-0 NORTHWEST ACRES PHASE V Owner/Developer: Rollin Barnes Location: North of Highway 16, Way NW 28 duplex family 3.69 acres .56 acres $6,720 No priority; existing park to 15 acres; acres. Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: Park Plan: East of Carriage neighborhood 12; 9 acres; 1990 needs 7.5 2010 needs 18 to 36 PRAB PAGE 5 MOTION:WRIGHT/MACKEY The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept money, $6,720, in lieu of a land dedication for the green space requirement for Northwest Acres Phase V. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 6-0 LATTA SUBDIVISION Owner/Developer: Location: Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: Park Plan: Kevin Latta South of Huntsville, West of Happy Hollow 66- approx 60 multi family 6.04 acres 1.2 acres $14,400 Priority 2; neighborhood 6; 211 existing park acres; 1990 needs 15 to 30 acres; 2010 needs 17 to 34 acres. MOTION:WRIGHT/WAITE The PRAB recommends to the Planning Commission to accept money, $14,400, in lieu of a land dedication for the green space requirement for Latta Subdivision MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 6-0 MAGNOLIA CROSSING Owner/Developer: Location: Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: Park Plan: ADDITION Magnolia Properties North of Highway 62, West of Densmore Lane SW 144 single family 36.58 acres 3.6 acres $43,200 61062° Portion in Priority 3; neighborhood 9: 0 existing park acres; 1990 needs 6.5 to 13 acres; 2010 needs 9 to 18 acres. 51,6114 3 Q 41)141)0 F 4 1647.-4 kQw DISCUSSION: Driver:This land proposed for a park is under a high wire and crosses five streets. Sander:We planned for this to have a jogging trail, and playground structures in the east and west wooded corners. This is a neighborhood so we did not think the five streets would be a problem. It would be local traffic only. This is affordable housing. We would plan a jogging trail if you do not take the land. It would be very difficult to give you continuous acreage anywhere. • • • PRAB Page 6 Driver: It would not be a good decision for the City to accept land with a trail that would cross five streets. Swepco said that nothing over six feet could be on this easement. That includes shrubs and trees. Sander: Swepco said nothing bigger than a fruit tree can be erected on this easement. So you can put park benches, etc. as long as they are a certain height. Waite: If we did take land, we would have many objections because of the power lines and the controversy with this. The developer concurs with this recommendation. MOTION:RIMBROUGH/WAITE The PRAB recommends to the City Council to accept money in lieu of land for Magnolia Crossing Addition because the physical characteristics of the designated land are not suitable for park purposes as stated in ordinance 3793. MOTION APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY 6-0 SEQUOYAH SOUTH Owner/Developer: Location: Park District: Units: Acres: Land Dedication: Money in Lieu: Don Maddox North of Huntsville, West of Sherman SE 26 multi family 5.04 acres .26 acres $2,210 This plat is from 1982 with a land dedication requirement. The developer never deeded this land over to the City. The developer is now requesting that he dedicate the land to the City. Edmonston: There should be an ordinance stating that preliminary plats should be void after five years. MOTION: MACREY/KIMBROUG$ The PRAB recommends to table Sequoyah South until the site can be viewed. V. Swimming Pool Report Edmonston:The pool needs sandblasted, replastered, the deck needs replaced, and restrooms need major paint work. Mackey: Do we have any plans for another location for a pool? I do not like pouring this much money into this pool. • • • PRAB PAGE 7 Edmonston:We have not spent very much since 1983 when we renovated. VI. A & P Meeting Report Driver: At the meeting, we recommended a girl's softball complex. No action was taken today because it was not formally on the agenda. Donner: There were 65 teams for the AIT tournament. Fifty four of these teams were from out of town. Using the figures from the Chamber of Commerce, it is about one half million dollars brought into Fayetteville just for a tournament. We would like to host a four or five day tournament which would be close to 2 million. Yarbrough: I did not intend to do PRAB business. Today was not a pleasurable experience. I felt like I was stepping on toes. Any time we have had a large youth tournament, we have held it at the Lake. We have failed to bring five adults tournaments to town because our facilities are not adequate. Adult softball is an eight month sport with 120 to 130 teams in summer and fall leagues. Youth is a four month program. To generate revenue, we would like to bring men's tournaments to town and open up Lake Fayetteville for youth tournaments. Lake Fayetteville is actually one of the best facilities, not because of 300 feet or lighting but because it is in great shape and in the Ozarks. It is a great complex, but too short of fences. We should bring youth to lake and free up Asbell for soccer. You can build baseball fields on two soccer fields without cutting trees Mackey:I am for adult sports, but I feel girl's sports needs to be addressed. It needs to be on the top burner. It is also a good moneymaker. Harrison brings in a lot of revenues. In youth sports, there are parents, aunts uncles, etc. Waite: Would there be any objections to the Lake if we extended the fences? James: We would have four fields and extend all but field two. Yarbrough: Turning fences and lights at Lake Fayetteville, and building a youth complex seems like a lot. It would be better to give the Lake complex to girl's softball. The foul balls are bad from field three. Wright: It seems like either way, someone will get a new complex and someone will get a renovation. Driver: Did you understand that A & P funds cannot be used in lieu of CIP funds. I understood that since adult softball has been in our CIP funds then A & P funds could not be used for this legally. Yarbrough: Some A & P members felt this plan would PRAB PAGE 8 expand adult and youth tournaments. I have not seen anything for the public's input on this. Driver: The request was for the PRAB to make a recommendation which they have done. Has your organization looked at Combs Park? Yarbrough: We would be interested in looking at other sites. Mackey: In regards to Babe Ruth baseball, we need Randy Shankle in here. If you took the existing 13 year olds out it would kill the program. It lives off of the concession. Edmonston: We looked at participation when we did CIP's.- Youth all had increased, while adult had decreased. Clark: Youth bring more money in by far than adults do. Girl's only have two fields. We need to keep these for practice fields. You can't sent them to the Lake for practice. They need neighborhood fields. I am personally opposed to the Lake for girl's softball. I would feel safer taking my girl to a neighborhood setting than to the lake and leave her for a few hours. Kimbrough: We did not get any input from the Adult Softball Association. We have asked about expansion capabilities at the Lake. I have not seen anything. Is it even possible? Clark: Sid Norbash, City engineer, says it would be. Kimbrough: The needs for money are so extreme, we need to move forward. Girl's softball is probably the most underfinanced of any and we need to move forward as quickly as possible. Driver: What facility do you see your proposed boy's softball league using? Yarbrough: This is for boy's that don't want to play softball and after the all star league is over. It would probably have to go to the Lake. Man: Fences are in two year increments for girl's softball. Freeman: For girl's softball, 250 feet will house 18 year olds. For championship play the preference is 200 feet then up by age group. Temporary fencing is up for championship in some locations. Mackey: There will be ten soccer fields after Lewis Park is completed. Will that meet the needs? O'Brien: We will top 1,000 children in recreational leagues, and over 200 in classic leagues. We play in fall, summer, and spring. We now have 3 fields at Walker and 4 fields at Asbell. Various ages can be housed on some fields. Over 14 have to use Walker Park. If everything goes according to plan, we will be fulfilled for 5 years. Edmonston: No bids were received for soccer fields. It is $70,000 for whole bid. • PRAB PAGE 9 Man: The minimum fence in ASA is girl's 10 under -150 feet with 175 feet maximum, 18 under -225 feet with 250 feet maximum. I am all for a girl's complex. The maximum fence for adult slowpitch in 1996 is Rule 315 feet. Kimbrough:You set your fields at max for tournament play. Luper: This is not Chuck versus the City. I hate the fact that Springdale is getting all the money. If we build a new park that would override the CIP existing plan. We have had many teams pass through here already. Women's state tournament in August will have 30 to 50 teams. This is not about USSSA. I have umpired here for many years. Fayetteville has better restaurants, etc. We don't want our people to go to Springdale to spend their money. Driver: We have gained some additional input. There may be more input out there. The facilities committee may need to meet to see if there are any changes in the motion. Waite: If we meet we need to meet as a full board. Mackey: If there are any changes before A & P, we need to contact Babe Ruth and Bambino Associations. Waite: We don't need to do anything unless our board votes today to change our motion. If we do then we need to get input again. Kimbrough:I don't recommend that we change the recommendation to the A & P. I don't know what the impact on league play is. Driver: Is it possible to have a schematic map from engineering. Clark: If I have to have it surveyed, it would be three weeks maximum. We have had three fields planned for the north side for a long time. The area is still available for expansion. Kimbrough:I don't see attaching anything to this proposal right now. Clark: The Facilities Committee and myself in charge of getting schematics. If it can't be done, then we can discuss it. We need to meet on site. Edmonston:I would hope all associations would help us host tournaments to raise money to fix fields. O'Brien: That is a great idea. Everyone donate a whole tournament. The facilities committee will meet Thursday at 5:15 at Lake Fayetteville. $OTION:JAMES/WAITF, The meeting adjourned at 8:10 pm. 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