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City Council Meeting Minutes
p October 1, 2002
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A meeting of the Fayetteville City Council was held on October 1, 2002 at 6:30 p.m. in
Room 219 of the City Administration Building located at 113 West Mountain Street,
Fayetteville, Arkansas.
PRESENT: Alderman Reynolds, Thiel; Young, Marr, Bechard, Davis, Santos, Jordan,
Mayor Coody, City Attorney Kit Williams, City Clerk Heather Woodruff, Staff, Press,
and members of the audience
Mayor Coody called the meeting to order.
PUBLIC WORKS REPORT:
Mayor Coody: I want to start off this evening with a quick over view of our Public
Works Department.
We have 132 employees. We have over 1,300 miles of infrastructure to take care of
including 40 pumping stations, 511 fleet vehicles that register almost 3,000;000 fleet
miles a year. The annual revenue for this department is about $11.5 million in water
revenues and almost $10 million in annual sewer revenues. We have an annual budget of
almost $23 million.
It takes roughly two years from the time we identify the need* to the Itirne that we can
actually complete a project.
Mayor Coody gave an overview'of the Capital Projects and their status: He said we have
approximately $41 million in capital improvement projects in process. Mayor Coody
stated that we're basically spending 23 cents per person per day for the Fayetteville
residents on our streets, public works, and engineering.
The Public Works Department has been able to take the capital improvement projects that
the City Council has approved for this year and complete them. We have also been able
to take a lot of the capital improvement projects that have been rolled forward year after
year and we're getting those completed. too.
I wanted to let everyone know what a good job our public works department is doing,
especially Mr. Boettcher who has been able to bring us forward quite a bit
Alderman Santos: Good report.
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CONSENT:
APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES
MOTOROLA- A resolution awarding a contract to Motorola in the amount of
$52,118.05 to add a radio console in the 9-1-1 Dispatch Center.
RESOLUTION 148-02 AS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
ARKANSAS FORESTRY GRANT: A resolution approving a 50/50 matching grant for
$20,000 to install Structural Soil for the Dickson Street Enhancement project. The grant
is through the Arkansas Forestry Commission. In addition, approval of a budget
adjustment.
RESOLUTION 149-02 AS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
WALKER PARK: A resolution awarding RFP 02-13 for Walker Park north playground
to Arkoma Playgrounds and Supply, LLC in the amount of $60,000.
RESOLUTION 150-02 AS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
SKATE PARK: A resolution awarding Bid 02-42 and approval of a contract with C -
TEC, Inc. in the amount of $325,884 plus a project contingency of $32,588 for a total
cost of $358,472, and approval of a budget adjustment for construction of a skate park at
Walker Park.
RESOLUTION 151-02 AS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
Alderman Young moved to approve the Consent Agenda as read. Alderman Davis
seconded. Upon roll call the Consent Agenda was approved.
OLD BUSINESS:
RZN 02-23.00: An ordinance approving rezoning request RZN 02-23.00 as submitted by
Jerry Kelso of Crafton Tull and Associates on behalf of Lindsey Management Co. for
property located north of Old Farmington Road and east of Futrall The property is zoned
C-2, Thoroughfare Commercial and contains approximately 19.39 acres. The request is
to rezone to RMF -18, Medium Density Multi -Family Residential. The ordinance was
tabled on the first reading at the September 17, 2002 meeting.
Alderman Davis: Mayor 1 spoke with Kim Kopeck today at Lindsey's and he requested
that we once again leave this tabled this evening until the 15th.
Mayor Coody: Do you want to make it date certain for the 15th?
Alderman Davis: Yes, sir.
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Mayor Coody: We'll go ahead and table this until the next meeting on the 15th please.
Thank you.
This Ordinance was tabled until the October 15, 2002 City Council meeting.
TRAFFIC STUDY: A resolution awarding the engineering and planning services
contract for the City of Fayetteville's traffic study to the firm of Bucher, Willis, and
Ratliff Corporation in the not -to -exceed amount of $198,408; approval of an engineering
contract contingency in the amount of $20,000 and approval of a budget adjustment. The
item was tabled at the September 17, 2002 meeting.
Mayor Coody: We. have amended this to put more emphasis on alternative
transportation. We can approve the original contract as was presented or we can approve
the original contract with the added scope of work.
Greg Boettcher: It took sometime to prepare the changed scope. We reviewed that in-
house to make sure we addressed the multi -module issues and that we made it
comprehensive to all issues that were important to the Council, or at least as best thatwe
could interpret. We sent it to the consultant and they reviewed it. We just received a
response from the consultant for the optional Task 30 which is to study issues of our
transportation routes, areas that • could be .used as alternative transportation modes. The'"`
cost would be $20,980 I ;believe.` We did not ask 'theconsultant` to be here tonight :.
because obviously it would be inappropriate for you to try to readthat and ask questions.
If the Council is comfortable with it,we can proceed with accepting the contract with this
optional task. If the original is acceptable and you. wish to deliberatethis optional task I
assume that you could authorize the base work that we originally presented and review
this at the next Council meeting. We were not able to get this out in advance so`as far as
this optional task I'm sure that needs to be reviewed. t it '+ ,i, L. ti t''
Alderman Reynolds: My constituents called me and they're upset because in 1992 we
paid for a traffic study through the City Council and never got any results of that study in
1992. Are you aware of a study in 1992 or the results of it?
Greg Boettcher: Yes. I- don't have the information with me but I recall sometime ago
we went through that study with .Peng Franklin and I think a large number of the
improvements that were set out in that as I recall were completed. There are a number of
activities that have to do with State Highways or some very large projects that were not
completed. The study is some ten years old and it was used. Over 10 years of traffic
volumes, development patterns have changed which means we need to rethink that.
Obviously, some of the projects that weren't built in 1992 need to be reevaluated. Are
they truly the priority now for our transportation system or are there other routes that we
should be looking at. I think it has aged quite a bit through that period of time with rapid
development.
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Mayor Coody: Mr. Boettcher, since Mr. Beavers was here during that time period and
for the last 10 years, could you please address Mr. Reynolds concem?
Jim Beavers: Yes sir, I'll try. I don't think I can do as good a job as Mr. Boettcher just
did. We did the study in 1992 with a firm out of Dallas. The study was published. They
set our priorities for our CIP. We did go through that recently and looked at the projects
that we've completed and we've completed several of those projects. The land use
patterns in Fayetteville have changed and we need to proceed with a new study to reflect
both the current and projected traffic flows in Fayetteville.
Mayor Coody: So Mr. Reynolds I think that if your constituents are concerned that we
haven't done anything with the traffic study I hope that you will be able to correct them
and say the traffic study was the basis if I understand correctly for the priorities in the
work we've done for the last 10 years to solve a lot of the problems that we addressed in
that study. Is that right?
Jim Beavers: Yes there was a basis and it was true in 1992 and true now. We would use
the traffic study that set the priorities for the CIP program.
Alderman Reynolds: How many results did we have from that '92 study that we
completed?
Mr. Beavers: Sir I've not reviewed it, it would take some period of time if you would
like to do that.
Alderman Davis: I was the alderperson last week that asked for the 1992 traffic study
because I just wanted to make sure it wasn't on the shelf somewhere collecting dust. I
appreciate you all putting it in my box for me to look at. On the first page there were 12
items listed and seven of them were not able to be completed due to the fact that they are
State Highways.
My concern for the traffic study is that I can see a lot of it is going to the exact same
things. I wonder what we're really gaining out of this if we're basically going to get the
same information that we had before and find out without the State's cooperation we
really can't go anywhere, except for some minor streets. I am not sure where we're going
with this and how beneficial it's going to be for the citizen and if we're not just throwing
money out the door to get the same results. I think we can go ahead and add the
additional feeder beside the road to make a bike lane without having an additional study
to pay for that cost once again. Every road should have a sidewalk close to it so the
people can get around the community.
We have a master trails program that we're bringing forward through the proper channels
and hopefully the first of next year it will be adopted. So I don't really know that we
really need to spend the additional dollars for a bike lane study if we know what roads we
need to expand to give bicyclist another opportunity to ride their bikes without having
vehicular interference. I question if we need to spend the additional $20,000 and I
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question if we need to go ahead and spend the other mone
these streets are State Highways. s < "
Mayor Coody: Do you all have a response to the State
new study we're considering and how the State Highways
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Highway argument versus this
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Jim Beavers: That's only one component of the study; you've left out the intersections,
the traffic calming, and the neighborhood concerns: They will look at the arterials again
but with the change in land use. This new traffic study is looking at 100 intersections for
intersection improvements; we've added smart growth, the neighborhood concerns and
traffic calming. The scope of the proposed 2002 study is far beyond that of the 1992
study.
Mayor Coody: The thing that concerns me, if we don't want to spend money now Tor a
traffic study that could help us alleviate some of these problems and forecast where our
major problems are going to be down the road, then I don't want to be in a position of
basically saying yes traffic congestion in 2002 is a primary concern and we fail to address
the needs which we know we will see in 2010 and 2020. That's the thing that concerns
me. I don't want to waste money either but again I think we need to have some kind of
planning document to know where we're headed. We need to try to alleviate traffic
congestion before it starts. I think that if we could do that I think the citizens would be a
lot better off.
Alderman Davis: I concur with what you are saying but you will find turn lanes that.
haven't been completed that were mentioned in this '92 study. You have a document that
says that they need to be done but they haven't. I'm not sure how we're really improving
this. We would be better off to take those dollars today and do what has not been
completed in-house versus paying an expert.
Alderman Santos: There's no way it's possible that priorities haven't changed since
1991 when they started this study. As far as Bob's concern about all the projects not
being finished, of course we don't have all of themcompleted; we've got a 500 year plan
here not a 10 year plan. All the projects aren't going to be built but we need to know
what priority we need them in and how we can get state and federal money to work on
the State Highways. The Northwest Arkansas Regional Transportation Study is a process
where we go up there with the representatives from the other communities in Northwest
Arkansas and pretty much barter off whatever the pool of money is. You'll see if you'll
look on there that our highest priority projects we have completed because we knew what
our highest priority projects were when we went up there to the meetings. 1 think those
priorities have changed. Have you seen the Regional Transportation Study? We only get
three projects every ten years.
Alderman Reynolds: That's all we're going to get from this study is three projects
probably for $244,000.00.
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Alderman Santos: We'll spend our money more wisely if we know where to spend. It
will help us to make land use decisions when rezoning comes before the Council. We
need to consider that when making land use decisions that they're transportation
decisions too.
Alderman Marr: I support the study because I think one of our weaknesses as a Council
is setting priorities. This is a method by which we could use to do it. It may be limited to
three, it may be five but I do think it's a beneficial tool to go to the state department I
think we have to ask ourselves what probably other Council's had to ask themselves. Are
we disciplined enough to follow it.
I understand your point Bob about not feeling like it's worthy to pay $24,000 to add the
other items that we talked about. In the poor example of the traffic study that Kevin
talked about there is one example in it and I think its good, "the process of developing the
plan addresses a number of community issues". Environmental constraints, available
funding, improvement schedules by other agencies, the cost and the effectiveness of
alternative transportation plans and future needs. We look at everything on a case by
case basis.
I also think that in the Task 30 where it talks about analyzing the present and future needs
of the University of Arkansas Campus. To do a transportation study and to not have that
component to me is crazy, it's a major part of our city, and it's a major part of our ward.
Existing historical residential neighborhoods and neighborhood calming issues, is one of
the top issues I hear from Wilson Park, Washington Willow and it needs to be in there.
Alderman Young: The last time when the consultant was here he referred to the State
Highways as roads and you've got to study those in the total context. I think he
mentioned something about how his focus was going to be more on the local roads.
We also mentioned last time possibly reducing some of the other aspects of it so we
wouldn't have an increase. Do you feel that there's no other place—that we could
eliminate something in the other scope of services to equal it all out?
Greg Boettcher: Well I think the first question was, "were we going to focus on
highways other than state highways" and that is correct. They were going to identify the
major collectors and we had some additional streets that we had designated that they
would look at that carry large volumes of traffic and those would be included in this
scope of the study.
Alderman Young: Was there anything else you could eliminate rather than have an
increase of $21,000?
Greg Boettcher: We sat down with the consultant and we negotiated it down to the
current value that it has. I will say the study includes a review of our Master Street Plan.
It does look at future land use and project traffic volumes. It does include looking at
neighborhoods and working towards a policy for traffic calming. It includes some
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planning functions, the smart growth issue on looking at that aspect of it. I don't think
there is anywhere that we can give anything up. We did try to include a reasonable level
of public meetings, public involvement. Many of the people in town know where the
problems are, they know where they have difficulty getting to and from. The issue of the
study is to meet with the public, look at traffic counts, validate that t the traffic engineering
correlates with what the citizens feel are problem& I think that's the input aspect of it but
then the technical side that we look at with the consultant is how do we fix the problem.
You know a couple of things that I also think are important is that it is a 10 year study.
The costs are 10 years old and we're going to have to update them. •
Alderman Davis: Its not that I'm against or for the study, I want ,us to look at the
positives and negatives before we actually make a decision, that's why I brought a lot of
those items up.
Alderman Bechard: The frustration with the funding mechanism is that we go do this
study and then we don't have the dollars to go fix the problems if you will, I think as part
of this we should challenge ourselves to look for funding mechanisms so that when we
get the study back maybe we can go identify the top seven versus the top three.
We have to recognize that right now our market is not what we'd like it to be but at the
same time interest rates are extremely low.
I do support the $200,000i000investment. I question'thougli";passing the"$20,000.00 ¢+'p
tonight and it's not because of the $20,000.00 investment it's because the consultant is
not here to answer the questions that Don has articulated. I would want to know the
concerns that you have are in fact going t� be care of for.'that$20,000.00. .I want
to hear from them directly before I go.speiid that money. Who knoiVs, we may come
back and say let's go spend $40,000.00 because they can do more than we .thought or we
may say -let's not spend any money'because tfiis:clearly isn't a corecompetency of theirs.
Alderman Mari-: This' optional Task 30, Alternative Transportation Elements we were •
handed at agenda session; was that forwarded to the consultant's that we're considering
for hire?
Greg Boettcher: Yes.
Alderman Marr: So their pricing of $20,980.00 came from the review of that task item.
Greg Boettcher: Yes.
A conversation followed on the cost of the additional items and what is. included in the
cost of the study.
Greg Boettcher: The consultant has made probably three or four trips here from Kansas
City and he doesn't have a contract yet: I thought it would be inappropriate to have him
here to answer questions when you. have not had time to look at the information and
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formulate them, particularly on the additional task. Should you have questions it would
be best if they could be relayed to us in some fashion and that way the consultant could
come prepared.
I know, one thing on this smart growth that I would like to touch upon. The original
scope dealt on a policy level developing some strategies and concepts you might say at a
very over reaching, overall basis. The thing that we are looking at in this optional Task
30 is specifically studying certain routes and areas and trying to apply some of the other
concepts plus actually looking at some of our routes. It involves meeting with the various
entities that have mass transportation that we currently use and looking at their needs. So
it's a much more of a ground level type involvement in a certain area rather than just
some over reaching policy type development.
We have worked with planning in developing these scopes and do think the scope is
considerably expanded over what we've looked at in the past. We've tried to bring
planning into it and integrate that together and look at the Master Street Plan, land use
and those types of things. As far as their resources and capabilities, they do have a staff
of planners. We are bringing in planners, in their costs they are allocating hours for
planners to be involved not traffic engineers.
Alderman Thiel: I've had some people contact me that are concerned about going over
Mt. Sequoyah and of lengthening Garland all the way through. Those are things we
probably won't be able to touch after they tell us that those are things that we should do.
The four lanes that they recommend, we haven't done any of this. They're prioritization
of recommended roadway improvement projects in '92 were basically four lanes and
that's probably what we need, but they were all on State Highways. I'm just confused as
to what this is going to show us for $200,000.00.
Alderman Santos: We're going to have planners here and we're gomg to have public
input and they're going to find out what's acceptable in this town. I'm fully supportive
of the study. I think we need it but I'd like to move to table this item until -we get the full
scope and have a chance to review it and have the consultants here to talk to us.
Alderman Santos moved to table the resolution. Alderman Marr seconded.
A discussion followed on the study.
Steve Frankenberger, 414 West Prospect Street: First I'd like to state that I'm not
against the traffic study. I believe what is truly needed is for the city to make a
fundamental change in the way that it looks at traffic. We currently see traffic only from
the point of the motorist. The impact of outrageous, unsafe levels of traffic on residential
streets through several Fayetteville neighborhoods is not considered. It's time for the city
to take partial responsibility for causing this problem and it is time for this city to make a
commitment to take full responsibility for fixing this problem. Unless you are prepared
to do so a traffic study is not going to help at all. I feel we must speak out and insure that
the city is doing the right traffic study.
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The scope should be broad enough that it'answers mass transit, trails, and sidewalks. The
scope should be narrowed so that` solutions such as routing more traffic through
neighborhoods must not find our way into that mess: We need to specify that upfront
before we start. My neighborhood believes that, any steely' that does' not address the
problem of the current traffic levels on residential streets is a waste of time, money and
general failure on the part of our government to govern. i t !;
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Mr. Frankenberger voiced his concerns about the current traffic problems on residential
streets.
Mayor Coody: Thank you very much. I might add that if we weren't serious about
trying to tackle some of the traffic problems we wouldn't even be considering this.
Robert Brandon a resident of Wilson Avenue voiced his concerns about the heavy
traffic in residential areas and the safety hazards that are posed by the current traffic in
residential areas. He said we -should determine what needs to be corrected before we
design a study. He suggested that we make certain basis decisions about neighborhoods-
that need to be protected and that we design our traffic study around that.
We should make decisions about what we're going to protect and what we're not and
then direct the planners and the engineers and these folks in the study to design traffic
control devices, signaling devices, directional signaling devices, one way streets, medians
that are continuous so turns can not be made, to accomplish those objectives. We have
to think where we want the traffic to go and what is it going to take to make it go there.
A discussion followed on the traffic study and what would be included in the study.
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Jim Beavers: The scope that we've negotiated today includes time for public meetings.
This study will give us policies and warrants for closing streets to add traffic calming.
Kevin Santos: The Northwest'Regional Planning Commission has invested in building a -
model so they will have a model available so we can do "what if' scenarios. So we will
have that resource available to us too. -
Jim Beavers: That's one reason we did not add a model to our scope of the contract.
The Regional Planning Commission will be coming to the city to ask us to participate in
the cost of the regional model. It is probably a year or two away to have that model up
and running.
Mayor Coody: This administration doesn't like to make decisions in a total vacuum: I
think the days of having studies done without public input are over. I think this will help
to solve problems before they're generated. 4
Alderman Santos: Can you provide us with a copy of the expanded iscope before the
next City Council meeting? - -
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Gregg Boettcher: Yes. We'll have the consultant modify the contract to include Task
30 as an optional task and integrate it all together as a single contract and then we will
present that to the Council
Alderman Thiel: One of the things that we discussed was that we felt like there wasn't
enough clanfication or details in what this encompassed, can they provide more details
on the smart growth issue?
Greg Boettcher: We'll have those expanded upon.
Alderman Thiel: Also on the traffic calming procedures possibly. That's some of the
issues that I think are not as cut and dried. 1 think most of these are summarized pretty
well.
Greg Boettcher: If there are some questions would you let me or Mr. Beavers know so
we can write them down. The consultant can come much better prepared to answer the
questions if we know what they are.
Alderman Thiel: Okay.
Alderman Marr: Are there neighborhoods that we're going to direct as being protected
areas? Does the administration have policies on the east/west comdor and where they are
looking at targeting? I would like to hear what we've traditionally done and how you see
addressing the political nature of the issues that were talked about tonight.
Mayor Coody: As far as I would be concerned, the Council sets policy. So if you set
the policy that we do a priority of streets and concur with a plan or make changes to a
plan then it would be our responsibility to carry out that policy. So there will be some
political pressure because as we alleviate traffic from one area we're going to increase it
some place else and that's where the political heat is going to come from If the Council
basically bows to pressure then we're never going to get anything accomplished. If we
stand up and say that for the long term good of the community we have to cause some
problems here and we have to make some people unhappy in the short term to solve
problems in the long term.
Mr. Davis: That's why this program has public input meetings so that the public can
come together and tell these individuals what their concerns are. I think it is very
important if we decide to do this program that we have public input.
Alderman Santos: Well we're off to a good start with this public input.
Alderman Marr: Is there a current policy in place that we don't want roads over Mt.
Sequoyah?
Mayor Coody: As a matter of fact there's an ordinance that was passed in 1995.
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Kit Williams: Actually it was a resolution. It was passed I think unanimously by the
City Council at that point in time after several meetings.
Alderman Marr: Is there a resolution on Wilson Park neighborhood, not to carry traffic
through that neighborhood?
Kit Williams: I don't think there is.
Alderman Marc And what about Washington -Willow from Maple to Lafayette Street.
Mayor Coody: I've talked to the Highway Department about the idea of widening
Lafayette. I let them know that we don't think that's a good idea. The Highway
Department has agreed that widening Lafayette that dead ends basically into College
Avenue that that isn't the best use of their money, so they'd -like to rethink their position
of widening Lafayette through thehistoric district.
Alderman Marr: So it is my understanding that it's our job as Aldermen, if there is not
a current policy and we think that there should be one that we should bring forward a
resolution?
Kit Williams: Lafayette was actually downgraded during the Last. Master Street plan
from an arterial road that could be widened to a collector street based upon the comments
of the neighborhood. So there already has been a response in the form of a resolution by
adopting the Master Street Plan at that point in time. ^ f 4 ,i «. , a r a i4 /
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Mayor Coody: Mr. Man's question was, is it the
approving a resolution to take care of traffic problems:
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Alderman Santos: ' The Master Street Plan was passed by resolution so it does show that
Lafayette would not be widened, that the four lanes would continue across North. Street.
Alderman Marc. And the same for WilsonPark?
Alderman Santos: The same for Wilson Park. We had in the neighborhood of 30 public
hearings on that Master Street Plan, it was passed by resolution as part of the General
Plan, and I would say that is setting policy.
Mayor Coody: I'd think so.
Alderman Marc If that is the policy how do we explain to individuals that reside in
Wilson Park why Wilson Avenue has traffic count 1,000 percent higher than what the
road and Master Street Plan says it should be.
Alderman Santos: We show on the Master Street Plan that we'll extend Arkansas
Avenue to North Street which would alleviate some of that but it hasn't been done yet.
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Hugh Earnest: That is an urban area and that certainly is a connection that we should
seriously look at. We have in this study, as an element, to sit down and discuss with the
university those issues and areas that are important to them.
Alderman Bechard: I would suggest that we wait to go do this study before we start
making decisions, because if we start right now trying to pass rules then I guarantee you
my neighborhood is going to call and say "they're using this street to go through our
neighborhood. What I would recommend is that we slowdown and we get the study. It is
incumbent upon us as a City Council to share our concems. I think those are things that
we as leaders need to say that we want your help; we need to fix this problem, what is
your recommendation? Let's try our best to hold on making taxable decisions until we
have the information in front of us.
Mayor Coody: I'll echo that because immediately everyone is zeroing in on a specific
street in a specific neighborhood. If a policy is brought forward it needs to be
comprehensive citywide not just little pockets here and there, if you're going to make this
policy for this kind of street you have to remember that it's going to apply to all those
similar types of streets.
Mr. Brandon: I would like to clarify what I was trying to say. I would very much like
for the chief executive of the city to make a policy pronouncement of a general concept
what this executive administration supports with respect to protecting neighborhoods and
I would like the City Council to do the same thing. Are we going to suggest that when
we identify residential streets that are subjected to inappropriate traffic levels that we are
going to direct the resources of the city to ameliorate that problem?
Mayor Coody: We have a motion and second to table this item. Shall the motion pass?
Upon roll call the motion to table the resolution passed unanimously.
SETBACK LINES: An ordinance establishing setback lines on such streets and
highways as designated on the Master Street Plan and prohibiting the establishment of
any new structures or other improvements within the setback lines. The ordinance was
left on the first reading at the September 17, 2002 meeting.
Alderman Santos moved to suspend the rules and go to the second reading.
Alderman Davis seconded. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
Mr. Williams read the ordinance.
Alderman Santos moved to suspend the rules and go to the third and final reading.
Alderman Jordan seconded. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
Mr. Williams read the ordinance.
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Alderman Davis: Tim could you come up and tell the public what we re actually doing?
Tim Conklin: Over the years weave required setbacks based on the`Master Street Plan r
future right-of-way requirements.#'Any development that is less than an acre does not go
through what is called large 'scale development and therefore we do not get right-of-ways
dedicated for future street widening. The Planning Division was challenged on that about
a month and a half ago, with regard to do we have an ordinance that established
our setback lines based on the Master Street Plan. We do not have that type of ordinance.
I put together that ordinance with the help of our city attorney's office`. This will. enable
the Planning Division to approve:prbjects administratively and require for example, if
you have a new development with a parking lot to be setback based on the Master Street
Plan, to have the same right-of-way that a development with over an acre would have,
this will make it consistent along our roadways.
With regard to the previous discussion. We did also amend the Master Street Plan to
only require 50 foot of right-of-way for historic collector streets.
Mayor Coody asked shall the ordinance pass. Upon roll call the ordinance passed
unanimously.
ORDINANCE 4422 AS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
RAZE AND REMOVAL. A resolution approving a raze and removal of house at 1200
S. Roberts as per Ordinance 3948. The item was tabled at the May 7, 2002 meeting.
Alderman Davis moved to take the resolution off the table. Alderman Jordan
seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
Kit Williams: I'd like to thank the Council for your patience on this particular case.
This house was very dilapidated, it could not be saved and it was an eye sore in that
neighborhood. However; you gave plenty of time for the owner to actually sell this house
to someone else who then cleaned it up; they have taken the house down and -moved all
the trash away. This property has been cleaned up therefore this resolution is not needed.
This has been a victory for the code enforcement officers. I appreciate you all being
patient and giving the new owner enough time to satisfactory clean up the property.
Alderman Davis moved to deny this resolution since the property has been cleaned
up. Alderman Jordan seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed
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NEW BUSINESS:
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RZN 02-27.00: An ordinance approving rezoning request RZN 02-27.00 as submitted by
Dave Jorgensen of Jorgensen and Associates on behalf of Lenwyn Edens for property
located southeast of Wedington Drive and Brooke Lane. The property is zoned A-1,
Agricultural and contains approximately 6.10 acres. The request is to rezone to RMF -6,
Low Density Multi -Family Residential.
Mr. Williams read the ordinance.
Mr. Jorgensen: My name is Dave Jorgensen and on behalf of the owner I'm here to
answer questions on this and help this through the process. This has been approved by
the Planning Commission This property was brought into the city in 1982 as A-1 and it
already had the duplexes on it. We'd like to cleanup this neighborhood. There is one
duplex that has bumed down. Rather than bringing in R-2 we've consulted with the
Planning Department and they suggested that one half is too dense and that's the reason
for the request for RMF -6.
Alderman Thiel: The duplex that burned is still standing and it's a real safety hazard.
The dirt drive I think is substandard. I think that our fire chief in fact said that it's not up
to city standards I'm concemed if we approve this rezoning, what assurance do we have
that the bumed duplex will be demolished and that the street will be brought up to some
kind of standard?
Mr. Jorgensen: Concerning the duplex that has burned, a building permit was applied
for to tear the building down and rebuild it. In the process, they discovered that it wasn't
rezoned. We couldn't go any further on that and as far as any other improvements that
may be necessary that is something that comes with this whole deal. This is the first step
in upgrading this piece of property. We have a prospective buyer that feels like she'd
like to take this project on. She has improved some property on Betty Jo and did a
fantastic job I might add.
Alderman Thiel: My question is who is going to tear that building down? That has to
be taken care of pretty quickly because it's been like that for about three years.
Marsha Beard: I'm the potential buyer. I purchased ten four-plexes about two years
ago on Betty Jo Drive and have spent the last two years bringing them totally up to speed.
The first step is to get it rezoned. It will cost about $200,000 just to tear down the
existing building and start rebuilding it, that alone does not make the project profitable
for me. The only thing that makes the project profitable for me is if I can take a few of
the empty lots that are very large and after I go through the initial phase of totally redoing
what's there and then rebuilding the duplex that is halfway there. The next stage would
be building three four-plexes or four three-plexes.
We would put in a city standard street and sidewalks. This will not be profitable in at
least the initial phase and probably not until you've gotten to the phase that you have
some new buildings constructed to bring in some money. If we start talking about a
major street development at this stage of the project it will make it cost prohibitive and I
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will not be able to go forward with it. I will guarantee you that it will be cleaned up, look
nice, and the type of tenants that you have out there are the type that will respect the
property. I have about a 99% occupancy rate on my 72 places around town and that is
because when you walk into my places they look new, if I can't walk in and want to live
there, I don't put it up for rent.
Mayor Coody: I was just going to say you've really helped facelift a lot of the area of
Fayetteville and we appreciate your efforts very much and it hasn't gone unnoticed.
Ms. Beard: Thank you: •
Mayor Coody: We've all been grateful for somebody to take some of our blighted areas
and transform them as you have and we hope you'll keep it up.
Ms. Beard: Well I'm trying to.
Mayor Coody: I know and I appreciate it.
Alderman Reynolds: I want to thank you for tackling the project out there: It's in dire
need of your TLC.
Ms. Beard: Thank you.
Alderman Reynolds: And I want to thank you for tackling this because it's an area that
needs to be loved a little bit and thank you very much.
Marsha Beard: Thank you -very much.. The thing I do think it has going for it is it is xr'?
surrounded on three sides by the trees. You get this atmosphere that you're living out in
the country and I don't waneit to actually look -like an apartment complex in the middle
of Fayetteville that is not my goal. If you have driven down Betty Jo lately the ones that I
own each one of them is unique. I plan on doing the same thing with this." I plan on
giving them each their own personality and not go out there and paint them all the same
color.
Alderman Jordan- In reading the notes of this from the Planning Commission and
Chief Bosch from the Fire Department's point of view it says that it's a dirt road out there
right now and it's a dead end street is that correct?
Ms. Beard: It's about 10 inches of chat they call it I believe.
Alderman Jordan: 1 understand that we would need a solid driving surface out there is
that correct?
Chief Bosch: Yes it is.
Alderman Jordan: Would you explain that please?
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Chief Bosch: Yes. Any type of development of that nature, I believe the City's Planning
Department requires a solid surface, a hard surface. It would make it a lot easier for us to
get our apparatus up and down that street if it was a hard surface.
Alderman Jordan: It says access to the building and proper turning radius for a U
shaped street.
Chief Bosch: Yes sir. I believe in our current code it requires some type of a turn
around, a cul-de-sac, or some type of tum around at the end of the block.
Alderman Jordan: You're going to add additional fire hydrants?
Chief Bosch: I don't believe there are any hydrants in the neighborhood right now are
there?
Alderman Jordan: No hydrants?
Chief Bosch: I think our nearest water source is about a half mile back down east on
Wedington.
Alderman Reynolds: There's one right behind the middle unit on the back road when I
was out there. That's what I saw.
Chief Bosch: I'm not familiar with it.
Alderman Reynolds: On the east side on the street behind it.
Chief Bosch: Absolutely. That means we have to drive down the street attach to the
hydrant and come up to Wedington, across and back down that street.
Alderman Jordan: I noticed that the response time is seven to ten minutes.
Chief Bosch: That's approximate. That's for the first arriving unit yes.
Alderman Jordan: Okay.
Chief Bosch: It depends on the time of day and the traffic. We are willing to work with
her to try to assist her in meeting the needs on this project.
Mayor Coody: You might speed up your response time if you go through some
neighborhoods to get there.
Chief Bosch: I don't want to go there.
Alderman Davis: Chief is the chip and seal, is it appropriate for your needs?
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Chief Bosch: Tim knows more about this than I do
Tim Conklin: 1 just asked our Public Works Director if a solid waste truck could drive
on that and damage it, that's my biggest concern. sTypicallyits not chip and seal it's an
asphalt or concrete surface.! Those trash trucks are very heavy especially if they are using
dumpsters. I'm not sure what they will be using out here but my guess is the chip and
seal will probably not be acceptable, I want to state that for the record!right now. When
they come through either subdivision or large scale *developiment -the rPlanning
Commission is probably going to require something more than chip and seal and an
adequate turn around at the end. Probably a 40 foot radius at the minimum. A•
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Alderman Davis: Will this have to go through large scale since it is already there?
Tim Conklin: With regard to fixing it up right now and just.getting the existing building
torn down, no, the actual paved surface and street will be required at the time any
additional units are placed out on that site. Should you rezone it, we w 11 issue permits to
do the renovations to the existing units but any new units would require either large scale
development or even rebuilding the burned building.
Alderman Davis: Anything that is done out there would definitely be an improvement to
what is there right now. I think you're probably in agreement with that.
Tim Conklin: I'm in agreement with that but I also have a lot of concern about our trash
trucks going down there the first time and tearing apart a chip and seal street. I'll be
more than happy to work with her and the Planning Commission will have to work with
her also but we do want to make sure that from a long- term maintenance thatif trash
pickup is going to be going down that private drivethat the surface that's being
constructed out there is going to be able to handle a trash truck.
Alderman Reynolds: Mayor, I guess we need to talk to the State Highway Department
because I own property on North Garland and the last street that was constructed there
was chip and seal.
Tim Conklin: I'm just sharing with you my past experiences with development.
Alderman Reynolds: If we don't help this lady with this project its going to stay just
like it is. That sale is not going to go -through and the gentleman that owns this is going
to leave it just like it is with no improvements and I don't think that's right.
Alderman Davis: That's not good for Fayetteville.
Tim Conklin: 1 understand that.
Alderman Marr: I think this one would be a great one for the Planning Commission to
tour because I think if theylook at the pictures of what this proposed buyer has done and
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then 1 think they'll be thrilled to get that kind of development. I do think it brings up a
good point that Alderwoman Thiel brought up earlier and that should this not go through
because of some reason there is still a burned building on the property that has been there
for over two and half years. I have difficulty voting for something that's in
noncompliance. We have code enforcement about a house that has burned to a certain
level and needs to be tom down. You have a permit; you can't tear it down until you
build it. I do think that we have a safety issue.
Alderman Jordan: I would like to leave this on the first reading.
Alderman Marr: I think it's a great project.
Mayor Coody: We do want to help because what you're doing is exactly what this town
needs. Thank you very much and we want to do what we can do to be helpful and not put
up any barriers.
The Ordinance was left on the First Reading.
OUTDOOR MUSIC ESTABLISHMENT: An ordinance creating Use Unit 35, Outdoor
Music Establishment, in Chapter 162, Use Conditions, and adding Use Unit 35 to C-1, C-
2, C-3, and C-4 zoning districts in Chapter 161, Zoning Regulations, of the Unified
Development Ordinance.
Mr. Williams read the ordinance.
Alderman Santos moved to suspend the rules and go to the second reading.
Alderman Marr seconded. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
Alderman Santos: This is just kind of housekeeping, tidying up the ordinance that we
already discussed in detail in the past.
Mr. Williams read the ordinance.
Alderman Santos moved to suspend the rules and go to the third and final reading.
Alderman Jordan seconded. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
Mr. Williams read the ordinance.
Mayor Coody asked shall the ordinance pass. Upon roll call the ordinance passed
unanimously.
ORDINANCE 4423 AS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK.
RIGHT-OF-WAY DEDICATION: A resolution reducing the right-of-way dedication
from Wedington's centerline and Betty Jo Drive's centerline to 43' on Wedington Drive
(a 12' reduction) and 25' on Betty Jo Drive (a 10' reduction) as submitted by Charles
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Nickle and Robert Nickle for property located between Marvin Avenue and Betty Jo
Drive south of Wedington Drive.
Alderman Santos: "Mayor, I think that our right-of-ways are excessive in a lot of cases
and this is one of those cases. In this case the Highway Department, Planning Staff, and
the Planning Commission agree with me too.
Alderman Santos moved to approve the resolution. Alderman Jordan seconded.
Upon roll call the resolution passed unanimously.
RESOLUTION 152-02 AS RECORDED IN THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK
MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:10 P.M.
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