HomeMy WebLinkAbout2024-10-15 - Minutes -Council Member Robert B. Stafford
Ward 1 Position I
Council Member D'Andre,lones
Ward I Position 2
Council Member Sarah Moore
Ward 2 Position I
Council Member Mike Wiederkehr
Ward 2 Position 2
Mayor Lioneld Jordan
City Attorney Kit Williams
City Clerk Treas urer Kara Paxton
City of Fayetteville Arkansas
City Council Meeting
October 15, 2024
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October 15. 2024
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Council Member Scott Berna
Ward 3 Position I
Council Member Sarah Bunch
Ward 3 Position 2
Council Member Teresa Turk
Ward 4 Position 1
Council Member Holly Hertzberg
Ward 4 Position 2
A meeting of the Fayetteville City Council was held on October 15, 2024 at 5:30 p.m. in Room
219 of the City Administration Building located at 113 West Mountain Street, Fayetteville,
Arkansas.
Mayor Jordan called the meeting to order.
PRESENT: Council Members Robert B. Stafford, D'Andre Jones, Sarah Moore, Mike
Wiederkehr, Scott Berna, Sarah Bunch, Teresa Turk, Holly Hertzberg, Mayor Lioneld
Jordan, City Attorney Kit Williams, City Clerk Treasurer Kara Paxton, Chief of Staff Susan
Norton, Chief Financial Officer Paul Becker, Staff, Press and Audience.
Pledge of Allegiance
Mayor's Announcements, Proclamations and Recognitions: None
City Council Meeting Presentations, Reports, and Discussion Items: None
Agenda Additions:
Sale of Land to Lewis Brothers Leasing Company, Inc. (Resolution of Intent): A resolution
to provide public notice that the City Council is considering the sale of approximately 0.057 acres
of land on West Moore Lane in Ward 4 to Lewis Brothers Leasing Company, Inc. for the sum of
$100.00.
Jonathan Curth, Development Services Director gave a brief description of the resolution.
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Council Member Bunch moved to suspend the rules and place the item Sale of Land to Lewis
Brothers Leasing Company, Inc. (Resolution of Intent) onto the agenda. Council Member
Jones seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
Jonathan Curth stated Suzanne Clark was present to represent the property owner for the item.
Suzanne Clark, Attorney with Clark Law Firm PLLC gave a brief description of the request and
stated she was grateful that the City Council had added the item to their agenda. She then spoke of
how the City of Fayetteville had no purpose for the land and that their development was on hold
due to the request.
Council Member Moore questioned if $100 took care of the fees associated with the request.
Jonathan Curth stated the typical costs associated with the land sale would include creating a
public notice sign and posting in the local newspaper, which was estimated to be less than $100.
There was a brief discussion between Council Member Hertzberg and Jonathan Curth regarding
why a market rate hadn't been used to determine the cost of the property. Jonathan Curth went on
to explain how the site was surrounded by Lewis Ford's property and that staff had found no public
purpose that could be served by it.
Council Member Bunch moved to approve the resolution. Council Member Moore seconded
the motion. Upon roll call the resolution passed 7-1. Council Member Turk, Stafford, Jones,
Moore, Wiederkehr, Berna and Bunch voted yes. Council Member Hertzberg voted no.
Resolution 250-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Consent:
Approval of the October 1, 2024 City Council Meeting Minutes.
APPROVED
Verizon Wireless (Amendment No. 6): A resolution to approve the sixth amendment to the Water
Tower Attachment Communications Site Agreement with Alltel Corporation d/b/a Verizon
Wireless to allow Verizon to add new cellular communications equipment and replace old
equipment on the Gulley Road elevated water storage tank.
Resolution 251-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Shred -It Shredding (Service Contract): A resolution to authorize the destruction of certain
documents listed on the attached affidavit pursuant to relevant sections of the Arkansas Code
related to maintenance and destruction of accounting and other city records.
Resolution 252-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
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Toole Design Group (Service Contract): A resolution to award RFQ #24-03 and approve a
contract with Toole Design Group in the amount of $124,932.00 for development of a safe routes
to school plan in coordination with Fayetteville Public Schools.
Resolution 253-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Washington Regional Medical Center (Amendment No.1): A resolution to approve amendment
no. I to the cost share agreement with Washington Regional Medical Center in the amount of
$50,000.00 for the Futrall Railroad Crossing Signalization Project, and to approve a budget
adjustment — 2019 Economic Development Bond Project.
Resolution 254-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
2024 Boston Mountain Recycling Grant (Grant Acceptance): A resolution to authorize
acceptance of a 2024 Boston Mountain Recycling Grant in the amount of $10,000.00 for the
purchase of compost collection containers for residential food waste collection, and to approve a
budget adjustment.
Resolution 255-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Olsson, Inc. (Railroad Crossing Elimination Study Agreement): A resolution to approve an
engineering services agreement in the amount of $720,000.00 with Olsson, Inc. pursuant to RFQ
24-10 for the Railroad Crossing Elimination Study, and to approve a budget adjustment.
Resolution 256-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Arkansas Department of Aeronautics (Grant Application): A resolution to authorize an
application foran Arkansas Department of Aeronautics (ADA) Grant application in the amount of
$50,812.00 to fund 90% of the costs for the design and construction of the FYV Wildlife Fence
Rehabilitation Project at Drake Field Airport, to accept the grant, and to approve a budget
adjustment.
Resolution 257-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Special Event Fee (Budget Adjustment): A resolution to approve a budget adjustment
recognizing revenue from the special event fee collected by the Airport during high traffic sporting
events, a portion of which will be used to offset increased operational costs and expenses.
Resolution 258-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Arkansas Municipal League Municipal Defense Program (Enrollment): A resolution to
authorize payment to the Arkansas Municipal League Municipal Defense Program in the amount
of $95,123.36 for prior loss coverage, to authorize enrollment into the defense program, and to
approve a budget adjustment.
Resolution 259-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
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Council Member Bunch moved to accept the Consent Agenda as read. Council Member
Jones seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
Unfinished Business:
Rezoning-2024-0038: (71B Corridor Rezoning Request): An ordinance to rezone the property
described in Rezoning Petition RZN 2024-38 for approximately 586 acres for various properties
within the city limits along the 71 B Corridor located primarily on North College Avenue and
School Avenue in Wards 1, 2, and 3 from various zoning districts to Urban Corridor and RSF-4,
Residential Single -Family, Four Units Per Acre. At the October 1, 2024 City Council meeting this
ordinance was left on the First Reading.
Council Member Bunch moved to suspend the rules and go to the second reading. Council
Member Berna seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
Council Member Berna, "Mayor, I'd like to consider kind of like what we did last time
considering how complicated that this issue is. I'd like to go ahead and on the front end offer20
minutes for her instead of 10."
Mayor Jordan, "Everybody good with that? All right, if you need more time, I'm sure they'll give
you more time. Britin, go ahead."
Britin Bostick, Long Range Planning/Special Projects Manager, "Thank you sir, and thank you
very much, Council, I appreciate that. I'm Britin Bostick with the Long Range Planning
Department of the City of Fayetteville, and I'm happy to bring this forward to you all again for
your consideration. I d id give a lengthy presentation at your October 1 st meeting, so I won't repeat
the whole presentation, but I do want to give a bit of a recap of it just to kind of recover what we
talked about with the project. I do have an updated set of requests for inclusion and exclusion for
you. This is a little bit different than what I shared with you all last week at your agenda session,
so I want to make sure that what I have currently is also what you have currently. I'm glad that Mr.
Curth is joining this presentation, you'll get both of us this evening and he'll cover aspects of the
Arkansas Private Property Protection Act. So, we came to this after I stood up here about a year
ago and delivered probably not the greatest news on housing in Fayetteville to the City Council.
And so that housing assessment was a great tool, not only for your planning staff but also for your
community to understand that we were short on housing supply compared to our demand, as we
have been growing very rapidly as a community. As of 2023 we have about 6500 more residents
than we were projected to in 2020, so in just a three year time period we have a few 1000 more
people than we were projected to and obviously our residents are feeling that pressure in housing
prices. So, as part of the two part recommendation from that assessment, we offered to continue
implementation of the 71 B Corridor Master Plan, specifically therezoning piece, and that rezoning
being necessary because forover 50 years the College Avenue Corridor and South School Avenue
Corridor have really not allowed for housing in very many parcels of land due to the C2 zoning
that has not allowed housing. And so, a lot of planning work was done, a lot of things were adopted
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and approved to get us here. So, we started with a timeline that began with the Downtown Master
Plan in 2004, as well as recent project work and also approvals including the very important
handoff of the 71B right of way from AR Dot. And so, putting that in the city's hands and
ownership was a game changer for our ability to make the improvements we need to take that
highway corridor to a city street. We did a lot of engagement in that 71 B Corridor Plan, a lot of
conversations with our community about what the needs were and that produced a really sound
document, a document that we've been primarily to this point implementing through transportation
improvement projects. But we were looking at the zoning next, and so we went back to the
community to ask if we're going to rezone what should we rezone it to? And it was really fun to
have conversations with folks that they would say, well, of course we're going to rezone it, that
makes a lot of sense. And I said, but what would we rezone it to? And so, we wanted to make sure
we did a really thorough assessment of all of our options. Given public feedback, given the needs
that your planning staff and other development services staff and other departments in the city
identified, we brought a proposal forward to the Planning Commission that looked at rezoning to
a new zoning district: Urban Corridor. Urban Corridor would allow for a mix of housing and
commercial uses, it would allow both of those to exist together while putting some better review
opportunities on vehicle oriented uses; the things that we're spending millions of dollars of public
funds to address today. And so, as part of that, though, I do want to highlight just so that it's clear,
there are a few parcels that are not proposed to be rezoned to Urban Corridor. There are about six
parcels that are proposed to be rezoned all to RSF-4, our Residential Single Family, Four Units
Per Acre zoning district, and those are parcels that are currently split zoned or that share a zoning
that in all of these properties doesn't make a lot of sense. For instance, we have three parcels along
East Sycamore and North Walnut Avenue. Those are primarily zoned RSF-4, but also include a
western strip of C2 zoning. Those zoning districts don't go together very well because one allows
only commercial and one allows only housing, only single family housing, in fact, and there's not
effective use of that strip of property zoned C2. Other properties that are also kind of in the north
College Avenue section, one is along East Poplar Street that has a narrow strip of our O zoning,
that property is used as a single family home and the property owner was amenable to it being
rezoned all to RSF-4. And then we've got two very large parcels just north of East Ash Street and
between there and Marks Mill that we could not understand why it was R-A zoning to begin with,
although that has been on the map for a long time. So, staff is proposing to rezone it to RSF-4
consistent with the surrounding zoning to the east. I went into extensive detail about public
comment and public notice, so I'll be a little bit more brief about that. We received to this point
from my count, at least what I've heard, I I comments in favor, one comment opposed that had
specific concerns in opposition to rezoning close to the Elm Street neighborhood, but generally in
support of the project otherwise and in support of the Urban Corridor zoning district. We've had
three requests to be included in Urban Corridor rezoning and six to be excluded. And I want to go
through those again for you all, because I know there's a lot of detail there. So just as a reminder
to the council, we've had seven parcels that have requested to be rather than some of those rezoned
all to RSF-4, all of them rezoned to the Urban Corridor zoning district. And then we have one
parcel, this is new from the October I St meeting, but I mentioned this at agenda session, one parcel
along West Montgomery Street that is requesting to be included in the Urban Corridor zoning, and
then a property on West Township Street, addressed at both eight and 10, it's currently zoned
Industrial that's proposed to or requesting to be included in Urban Corridor. And so, you all heard
from Scott Hill at your last meeting during public comment and Mr. Hill had pointed out, and what
I'm trying to illustrate here is that his neighborhood along Elm Street had not initially been included
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in the 71 B Corridor Plan and in the study area. And so, he made a very rational and logical request
to be excluded because his neighbors and he had never understood them to be part of the
consideration. They expressed support for the project overall and support for the zoning district
but requested specifically these properties that are zoned Residential Office or RO to be left out.
Those do not allow vehicle oriented uses, I think it's important to note they do allow five stories
to be constructed, and then one of those properties was proposed to be RSF-4. And so, I think that
one is still kind of under consideration for being RSF-4, they didn't have any opposition to that. It
was only the Urban Corridors that they have looked at. And so, the council has an updated version
of the map that would meet Mr. Hill's request and that I had the opportunity to work with him on.
So that is item A.2, or Exhibit A.2 rather, with the amended map in your packet if the council
would like to consider looking at that. Other requests for exclusion tended to be from specific
parcels zoned C2, and so here we have one kind of on College Avenue at the intersection with
North Drake Street. Here we have one at the old Lewis Ford site. We just talked about the new
Lewis Ford, but this is old Lewis Ford on College Avenue, just northeast along View Street. This
is a larger parcel with both C2 and UT zoning, they're only requesting to retain their existing zoning
for the C2 portion. And then we have 19 parcels that are grouped in a couple of different ways, so
I'll kind of break those apart and look at properties in Colt Square currently zoned C2 that are at
the end of Colt Drive on that cul-de-sac. And then three more groups of parcels, one that's well
known as Fiesta Square shopping center, one that I refer to as the Hobby Lobby shopping center,
and I know that's not the correct name, but that's the best that I can do. And then also parcel that's
currently the TJs Sandwich Shop. And then a couple more requests to be excluded have come in,
one here on College Avenue, just south of Poplar, you can see that property has a lot offloodplains
across it and so the owner has C2 zoning is requesting to keep that C2 zoning. And then also an
owner on South School Avenue who owns five properties in total, the properties fronting South
School Avenue are zoned C2 and the properties behind are actually zoned RMF-24 and they were
requesting for all of those to be excluded. I was not able to confirm with the property owner on
this property if they would like me to share that email with the council, but thecouncil should have
hopefully received an email on this property through the agenda item comment this afternoon. So
that concludes my portion of the presentation, and happy to hand it over to Mr. Curth for the third
part.'.
Jonathan Curth, Development Services Director, "I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you all
about the legal considerations that staff makes when we evaluate projects of this scale. I very much
appreciate this opportunity, it's not often that planners get to delve into our land use backgrounds.
Most planners get exposed to land use law regularly in school and then every single day while
we're on the job, whether it's evaluating singular questions about property values, or questions
about what kind of improvements might be necessary in association with a given project. In that
regard, I appreciate Mr. Williams affording us this opportunity that he highlighted with his memo
for 71B in particular. The Private Property Protection Act is what I'm going to be discussing in
terms of state statute. With that, we did recognize as we were evaluating the memo and the letter
from one of the property owners' legal counsels, that council was not provided with the language
of that statute and thought it may be beneficial for you to consider that as a part of this discussion,
so you each have a copy of that in front of you in case you'd like to look at it as I talk through the
statute today. There are four elements of that that I would like to discuss and share with you how
we considered the 71 B rezoning and then I'll end with a final proposal, which is the inclusion of
an amendment to the 71 B proposal as it's written today. Starting out, I'd like to d iscuss at the very
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top of the state statute, as with any good piece of legislation, it begins with definitions and with
the Private Property Protection Act. One of the most important pieces to recognize there is that we
are not necessarily discussing property value, I thinkthat was referenced repeatedly by a property
owners legal counsel. What this statute specifically references is fair market value. I think that's a
very important distinction to make, because when you're diminishing fair market value, that's the
value that somebody is willing to pay for a piece of property. That's not what you're being assessed
for by the county, and that is typically determined at the time that somebody is willing to purchase
your property. So, the allegation that by passing this zoning we are diminishing property value,
staff does not find that to necessarily have a lot of legal stand ing in order to be able to file any sort
of litigation under. With that in mind, and in the same context, is a question of due process. Under
Section A.I in the Private Property Protection Act, there is language describing that an owner of
real property asserting a taking under this chapter shall bring a cause of action in Circuit Court
claiming that the implementation of a regulatory program by governmental unit is permanently
reduced by at least 20% the fair market value of a property. Well, what does this look like? What
is it that makes a case ripe for going to court? And by ripe, I mean the number of procedural
remedies have been exhausted. I think a good example to go through is what we've been talking
about most frequently in the case of 71 B, which is the placement of certain permitted uses under
conditional uses, specifically several of those associated with auto oriented businesses. Taking that
as an example and assuming a path towards litigation, that request would have at least two stops
with the city. It would have to go to go to the Planning Commission, the Planning Commission
would have to deny it and then it'd have to be appealed onto the City Council, it'd have to be
denied there again and then and only then would it proceed in litigation. I think it's important for
the council members to acknowledge that both the Planning Commission and you all as the City
Council have legal support from our legal department at every single one of your meetings and are
afforded the opportunity to have that input on a case by case basis so that you can make that
evaluation as it comes forward to you, and not necessarily have to do it on the scale of the 7 1 B
rezoning that's before you tonight. And although miss Bostick touched on this before, I hope it's
also some reassurance when it comes to the assertion that conditional use permits are a death
sentence for a land sale if you will. We have considered five conditional use permits since the
beginning of 2023 for auto oriented uses, and all of them have been approved. A conditional use
permit does not mean something's going to be disapproved, necessarily. It means that there are
certain situations where it may be fully appropriate, in which the Planning Commission can
evaluate those on case by case basis to make sure that they are safe, that they're compatible and
that they can be complimentary of the adjoining property owners in the community at large. So, I
don't want the council going into this d iscussion assuming that our commission is eagerly awaiting
the opportunity to deny cond itional use permits for auto oriented or other uses. Third of all, I'd like
to discuss outcomes. What does it look like if the city does lose the litigation? Getting into further
down into the state statute, it reads upon finding that real property has been taken for the use of
the public, the governmental unit may either pay compensation for the reduction in fair market
value caused by the regulatory program. In other words, if it's determined that we have diminished
the fair market value, again, not the property value, but the fair market value, we can pay the
property owner for that difference, or we can invalidate all or part of the regulatory program. In
this case, the regulatory program is the 71 B rezoning to the properties included in that, or many of
the properties included in that, to UC Urban Corridor. So, there will be an opportunity, more often
than not, that the city may undo this legislation if it turns out that there's unfavorable litigation.
Fourth, I think it's important when evaluating any litigation, what's the purpose of it? The Private
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Property Protection Act includes specific instances where the statute does not apply. Most
prominent in staffs review as it relates to 71 B and its rezoning is a municipalities obligation for
the safety of residents and property as well. Although it is very easy to forget, a major component
of the 71 B rezoning is to address the dangers posed to drivers, pedestrians and all other residents
moving in and out of these areas from injury. If you look at our city's accident maps, it is
consistently seen that 71 B generally, and certain portions of it specifically, are one of the most
dangerous areas of our city in terms of vehicular accidents. Accidents between vehicles and
pedestrians, vehicles and bicycles and so this is a significant reason why not just this rezoning is
being undertaken, but that we're spending almost $30 million in completing upcoming street
modifications. So, this rezoning is not a standalone effort to address that community concern that
a general welfare of our city, but it is coupled with a significant capital outlay to try to improve
the safety situation along South School. With all that said, I do find perhaps most helpfully among
the items that we heard from our City Attorney's Office the concerns that they expressed about
what would happen if we were, for lack of a better word, victim to unfavorable litigation. And so,
as a result, staff thinks it's very important that we include as much of our legislative, or your
legislative intent, in the ordinance as possible and establish a strong legal foundation for anything
that may come forward in the future. With that in mind, the second document that I handed out
before the meeting is a proposed ordinance amendment to update the whereas clauses of the 7 1 B
rezoning to read:" (Jonathan Curth then went into detail on how the ordinance would read once
amended with the new whereas clauses). "And with that, I'm happy to take any questions along
with Miss Bostick that the council may have."
Mayor Jordan, "Just under your 20 minutes, that was really quite well done. What questions
would the council have?"
Council Member Stafford, "Jonathan, Rogers recently rezoned pretty much their whole city, did
they not?"
Jonathan Curth, "That's correct."
Council Member Stafford, "And I assume they d id n't go door by door and get a signature of their
full population?"
Jonathan Curth, "That's correct.
Council Member Stafford, "Okay, thank you."
Council Member Berna, "My question is for Kit. Obviously, when we got your letter and your
email last week it gave a lot of us some pause, but I want to try to make sure that I understand what
Jonathan said and present it to you so that you can confirm, yes, that I am hearing exactly what the
procedure would be. If I'm understand ing this correct, if we rezone this and 'Property Owner A'
decides that his value has been hampered, he really doesn't have a case until he or she decides to
sell that property and can prove that said rezoning reduced the value of his property. Is that right?"
City Attorney Kit Williams, "Only if that was true, that would be so nice. Fair market value is
used throughout the law. Every time we do a condemnation, it's on fair market value. We got to
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pay for the difference in the fair market value before and after the condemnation, that's what the
requirement is. So how do you get fair market value? The real test supposedly is what a willing
buyer and a willing seller can agree to. So how do you determine what that's going to be if there's
not a sale? It's called appraisers. These condemnations that you all have approved for us to do, lots
of them, all of them require an appraisal by our appraiser, and then the property owner gets their
own appraiser, and usually what we see from those appraisals is that the property owner's appraisal
is twice or three times the market value that our appraiser says the land is. Appraisers disagree,
and typically it's an extreme amount. It's not they miss it by 10%, they work for their client and so
that's what has me concerned about fair market value, whether it's going to be a condemnation, or
whether we might get sued on this. Now, you know I will make an argument if somebody sues us
before they have sought to go through the conditional use permit process. I'd try to say, oh, you
shouldn't be able to do that. However, I think a property owner could hire an appraiser that would
say just the passage of this that would require a conditional use permit has devalued my property,
and have the appraiser say, well that's right, you've cut the property down to 60% of what it was
before, it's going to be too difficultto sell that property. Obviously, we argue against that, say that's
not right, they failed the administrative remedies like going to the Planning Commission and then
going tothe City Council, and that argument might work. I would certainly try it but I'm not putting
that in the bank, because I have seen how these things go when you have appraisers, and you can
have a significant difference in valuation depending on if they're representing the city or are they
representing the property owner. So unfortunately, they can't do anything till they sell property.
That does not work. I'm not even sure it works that we can force them to go through the cond itional
use process. That would certainly be a much more compelling case if they went through a
conditional use process and was denied, that would be a much stronger case for them. But I think
they might even be able to file suit, they could file suit before that, and whether or not they could
get an appraiser that would win out over our appraiser, saying that really, the damage hasn't been
done, it's speculative, we would make all those arguments, but it's up to a jury and I can tell you
in jury trials the landowner is probably going to knock off anybody that's from Fayetteville. Those
jurors almost always at the final thing, when you finally get them selected, they come from
Springdale or the county and don't necessarily have a love for Fayetteville, so we have a little bit
of a disadvantage sometimes when we're going up against a property owner who's claiming that
our regulations have reduced the value of the property, they've got an appraiser that says the same
thing, our appraiser says no and it's up to the jury to decide and often juries in condemnation cases
where there's just an argument the appraisers will split the difference. You know, they don't know,
they're not experts. Who knows, these two experts can't agree, how can they agree? And so
oftentimes you see a jury that will split the difference, and if that difference is above 20%, then we
have some issues. Now, as I pointed out in my memo to you, I pointed out the two options that
you had if we got hit by a jury trial, and one is we pay it, whatever it is, maybe it was 21 %, we
probably still have to pay 21 % not 1 %, but still, we might feel like it's worth it, so you all can
decide that would be a City Council decision. And the other option is that we could withdraw this
regulatory program or a part of it and so what we would probably try to do is just say, well, this
particular rezoning, or this particular case involves just one parcel of land and so the case ought to
be restricted to that and not any other, and that might work, but this law, I've not seen any
annotation on it like it's gone to a court yet. So, we're kind of plowing new ground here. We don't
know exactly how this is going to work, but we possibly could be saved by that. I do like our
argument, also our public policy and safety, health and safety of the citizens, we would certainly
argue that, that we're doing this for that, but remember, there's going to be another attorney in that
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courtroom arguing that it's not, this is a rezoning, you know, if you want to make traffic safe rebuild
the road, make the road safe. A build ing doesn't do traffic safety. We can make arguments and say,
well that, you know, the amount of people d riving in and out, that makes a d ifference and that kind
of stuff, but in reality, that's not a failsafe either. So that is why when I analyzed this, I saw that
there is potential dangerforthe city forthis almost 600 acre rezoning. We have some very valuable
land; all of this I think is pretty valuable land. And so, if in fact we do get hit, then there's certainly
enough money to justify a property owner who wants to do something else, to file suit in order to
try to recover the damages they believe they've suffered. And so, with this kind of size of rezoning
of almost 600 acres, I think that litigation is reasonably likely, not necessary, doesn't have to
happen. Rogers I understand did a massive rezoning. Well, you know, years ago before some of
you were on the council, I had to say that we could no longer stop panhandling, that the Supreme
Court had said panhandling was protected by the First Amendment, so I had redrafted our
regulations on that to comply with the new Supreme Court rule and there's a lot of griping going
on and then six months later people say well Rogers is still banning them, how come you had to
do it? Obviously, it's okay. And then Rogers got sued in Federal Court and lost. So, sometimes it
takes a while for litigation to begin but just because somebody else has done something doesn't
necessarily mean that no one is going to take umbrage of it, and maybe they didn't down zone
anything. I mean, I don't know what Roger's rezoning was, I haven't studied that, so I have no
idea. And it's only the down zoning really that you have to worry about. So, in this particular case,
this is down zoning to the extent that you're taking uses away or you're making it more difficult to
get them and less sure that they're going to get them. So that is some down zoning right there and
so that's why I suggested that rather than down zone, we really up zone, and just zone it to Urban
Thoroughfare which is something that was developed by planning, you know, many years ago and
it has the same basic rights to build a big residential tower, if that's what you want, you could do
it with that. What it doesn't have is the removal as of right for fast food restaurants and gas stations
and car washes and mini golf courses and car rental agencies. So, these things which are now in
existence right now on North College or School Street would all be rendered non -conforming uses,
and some people might feel like that has devalued their property, because with non -conforming
uses you have certain restrictions where you can't rebuild if too much of your property has been
destroyed, you lose that non -conforming status. You sometimes have problems getting insurance
because you can't rebuild in certain cases, and so people might even complain about that. But all
of this would be gone, all those dangers would be gone if we simply chose Urban Thoroughfare
rather than this new zoning which lose those. It's a risk and of course, you all the policymakers,
you get to decide what kind of risk you want to make, but it's my responsibility as a city attorney
to caution you about the risk that this would entail, and I'll be happy to answer any questions if
have been unclear."
Council Member Bunch, "This is a question for staff. Remind me again when we first started
talking about the potential to rezone this property and remind me again when we came up with the
UC zoning type we're trying to use."
Jonathan Curth, "Thank you for the question. I think where this process began could arguably
be a couple different places. I think in 2019 when the work program was adopted by council that
included within it contemplating changing the land use regime for this portion of 71 B including
rezoning some of the property. More specifically, late in 2023 that work plan the council expressed
reaffirmation for that work plan, which is the more recent date that I'd say that kicked off this
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rezoning effort specifically. At that time the Urban Corridor zoning district did not exist, as Miss
Bostick has alluded to, that Urban Corridor zoning district is the result of an extensive public
outreach process to evaluate where our community is now as it relates to 2019 when the work plan
was originally adopted, and what our community needs are now. And that resulted in the d istrict
that was adopted by council I think it was about a month ago."
Council Member Bunch, "So I guess my question and my concern is Kit brings up some very
good issues and really outlined some potential dangers that we might have. But I guess my concern
is, why were these never mentioned before now? I mean, is it, you know, because we've got this,
we've been working on this for quite some time now, and I don't recall ever hearing that we were
going to be sued if we d idn't acquiesce to a property owner within this area. And one of the things
that also concerns me is one of the properties in particular is at one of our busiest intersections. It's
kind of the heart of what is in my ward, in particular around Rolling Hills and I'm kind of concerned
how this, if we change this particular zoning for this particular property, what it opens us up to for
the project as a whole? Because, you know, if we can't look, you know, we know this means a
better, safer corridor there. I really believe that, and if we can't get something passed for the safety
and the betterment of our community, then, you know, I'm kind of at a loss on that, so I don't know
what else to say."
City Attorney Kit Williams, "Well as to timing, as you're aware, I sit with you all the City
Council. I do not sit with the Planning Commission and so, and unfortunately, too, there was one
meeting I missed because I was on vacation and so that's when it came through, the original one,
but then when it showed back up here, especially the zoning itself, that's when I was really
informed about what the Urban Corridor did and did not do, and how big this was going to be.
And so, you know, I did caution you at the last meeting that I had concerns about this, and that
was the earliest time I really had to do that, and so those concerns have not gone away. It's not that
we're not going to defend the city if we get sued, and it's not that we're guaranteed to lose, we're
not, but I think one of the most important things an attorney can do for their client is not to get
them sued. If we go into court and get sued, and you get in front of a jury, you're never really sure
exactly how that's going to come out. You could think that, well we've got good arguments here,
and we should win, and if the jury doesn't agree with you, you don't win. And so, that's why I'm
concerned about this and why I think that Urban Thoroughfare will give you the benefit of having
that increased amount of large residential towers that you would get with this, but without the other
danger. It's up to you all as policy makers to decide what you want to do, and you know, you're
certainly able to roll the d ice, and sometimes they've come out good. Now, back when I was on
the council, before that, actually, in the 80s, they came up bad a couple times, and we ended up
paying millions of dollars forattorney's fees. I'm not looking at something like that here, I think it
would be much less than that, but it could be substantial."
Council Member Stafford, "I actually disagree with our attorney on a few things. First and not
least of which is, Kit, everybody loves Fayetteville."
City Attorney Kit Williams, "We all do Bob, I agree with you on that."
Council Member Stafford, -I'm not a lawyer, but afterread ings Kit's memo, I showed it to a few
other civic lawyers, municipal and county, and the reaction I got back was the memo was being
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overly cautious and that it wasn't how they interpreted the property protection act. I kind of go
with what staff is saying, I mean when I read this, and I'm going to put togethera couple of things,
there needs to be a preponderance of the evidence, and the property has to be shown that it to be
permanently reduced, the fair market value needs to be permanently reduced by at least 20% of
the fair market value of the real property. You know, I think we're safe. I'm willing to take a risk.
This issue is one of the reasons that I ran for office, our city staff and our planning staff has worked
tooth and nail on this, and I think they've done a darn good job. Look, one of the biggest things the
City Council does is zoning and to say, well, we can't do our job is just, you know, it's like these
things where you get in the situation where you're asked to vote, but you can only vote one way,
garbage. And I appreciate the legal advice, but I do think it is overly cautious, I think that I'm going
to vote for this zoning as it stands. I know there's a few bumps we need to work out a few
amendments and such, but Urban Thoroughfare is not the adequate zoning, and you know, I've
had in my head for a long time before I got on council that I'd like to see auto centric uses, drive
throughs, car washes, gas stations as conditional use permits all over the city, and I'm willing to
take that risk personally. But you know, I just don't think, you know, as we grow into a city those
things have to be put where they fit, they can't be allowed everywhere like we do now, and so 1'd
like to see them removed from all our zones and made conditional use permits. And the thing is,
we're not taking away folks right to do this, we're just making it a conditional use and again, I think
you'd be hard pressed, and you'd have to have the most evil jury and the most, you know, just,
don't know. I don't see it happening. I don't see any way that saying that this is a conditional use
permit now that's reduced the property value by 20%. 1 just don't buy it."
Council Member Wiederkehr, "What's the zoning on MLK at Razorback Road?"
Jonathan Curth, "At the intersection of Razorback Road and MLK it is a mix of zonings. On the
southwest and southeast corners, I believe it's C-2, Thoroughfare Commercial. On the... No,
actually, I think it is all four corners. I'm sorry, I was thinking university property might be zoned
Institutional, but no, all four corners of that intersection are zoned C-2, Thoroughfare
Commercial."
Council Member Wiederkehr, "Part of the rationale for wanting cond itional use permits ford rive
through features is when you have a national chain restaurant that's so successful that their
customers back up onto a major thoroughfare obstructing traffic creating a hazard, some
communities have deemed it a public nuisance and so the last thing we need is a wildly successful
national chain restaurant backing up onto College Avenue, undoing all of the millions that we're
spending to try to enhance the safety of people who need to get to and from work and shopping.
That's a major, major artery and so I think when a property owner is simply looking for appropriate
triple net ground leases, there's no risk on their part financially, I'm just going to lease a piece of
dirt to a franchisee, the least risk they could possibly incur, I get that, and the market supports that,
but I think we owe it to the residents of Fayetteville to condition those uses to ensure that we don't
end up with another MLK Boulevard at a major intersection stopping traffic."
Council Member Jones, "Britin and Jonathan, thank you for the presentation and we talked today
and there are a lot of people who, they have questions about this, and they don't quite understand
a lot of the planning language. And so, as it relates to the housing crisis, can you explain how this
process, how this project, rather, how this will help alleviate that?"
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Britin Bostick, "Thank you for the question. So, one of the things that 1 shared with council at this
time last year was we have a lot more people coming in than we have housing being built, in very
simple terms. And the Mayor is great about quoting this, we need about 1000 houses a year built
new to keep up with our projected population growth. We're exceeding our projected population
growth, so we would actually have to build more, and when we don't build the amount of housing
that our population growth needs, and we do get quite a bit of that growth in one single week every
August as the university increases its enrollment, when we don't build to keep up it creates low
vacancy rates. There's not a lot of homes available whetherthat's an apartment or traditional house
or townhouse or something else, and so when there are very few homes available, it gets very
expensive because there's a lot of competition. So, if we can build more housing, and we can begin
to balance that demand and supply out we can get on top of the price increases, and then hopefully,
and what's happened in other cities, is they finally built enough housing they're no longer seeing
rents increase or cost increase, things are beginning to stabilize. That would be a great goal for us
to achieve by constructing more housing. We do have a lot of fiscal obligations in Long Range
Planning not to send the City Council on a direction that would bankrupt the city in the future and
what we also identified for the council last year was the incredible cost of building all of that
housing on the edges of the city, both now and in the future, and so we can make use of the
infrastructure investments we already have, already have planned, and on a per person or per house
basis are very efficient and we can build in the middle of the city. That is the double benefit of
giving us true opportunities to explore real transit, to give people the opportunity to not own a car
and be able to still get places they need to go in the city. If we increasingly put all of our new
residents on the edges of the city, they only have a choice to drive, they only have a choice to
create congestion, and they only have a choice to put that additional water and sewer burden on
our system, and those miles of pipes become very expensive over time. So hopefully that was
better language, because planners often do use our own language and a lot of acronyms. Thank
you, sir."
Council Member Jones, "That helps immensely. Thank you so much, because it sounds like that
this will, that this is answering the needs of our citizens, and 1 really appreciate the way you laid
that out, because a lot of people, they were asking me, and so I told him that I would ask you
publicly so you can explain, and you did a great job. Thank you."
The City Council received 16 public comments regarding this ordinance.
Scott Hill, 61 East Elm Street Ward 2, "1'm not speaking to the illegal discussion that just took
place, but in general just the zoning overall. First, 1 would like to say that 1 agree with a lot of what
you guys say, that's a really good zoning ordinance. It's well designed to achieve what you guys
want to achieve, which is infill of commercial lots along College Avenue and 71 B Corridor. In
order to achieve that, they've left a lot of things out, like the step downs that are in the other form
based zones. They've reduced setbacks. They've created a lot of scenarios that make it really
attractive to developers to come in and say, hey, we can take this old gas station, and we can turn
it into something bigger, and we can invest here, and it's got a lot of bells and whistles to make it
attractive to developers. The things that make it really great and positive for College Avenue, I
agree with putting it along 7113, I think it'll yield great results, are the same things that make it a
negative if they're applied to our neighborhood, which is the intersection of Elm Street and Green
Acres Road. The condition we have there is single family housing that backs up to Residential
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Office. Much of the Residential Office used to be housing that was converted to Residential Office
over the years. The map, as originally presented, I think Britin said originally our neighborhood
wasn't included in the study area. So, we're kind of responding to some new information. We also
didn't know the specifics of the zoning category. The map, as it's drawn, would put up to eight
stories of that intensive development and in some conditions on three sides of existing single
family homes. And so, I'm just up here to ask that you consider the proposed amended map that
would remove that RO at Green Acres and Elm from the plan. I support the rest of it, they can
yield great results, but I think in our neighborhood has a chance to do some damage and start a
domino effect of people selling out to developers and you know, hey, we're building eight stories
behind you, we'll give you half a million dollars for your house, and then it goes from there. And
so, my house is as far from College Avenue as the castle at Wilson Park is, and yet the map
currently would put something like these 15 feet off across my property line. So, we're not right
on College Avenue, we're pretty far removed from it. I think most of us support the plan in general,
just we think it's misapplied in our neighborhood."
Jen Cole, Ward 2, "Just want to say, as somebody who's been coming to the town halls and I want
to thank you all the city and all the city planners for working so hard on this rezoning. And I want
to say also thank you Bob. Yes, if they just did it in Rogers, it can't, I mean, it's probably a little
scary to look at the legal stuff, but it's been done locally and recently. So, I hope you will just
bravely move forward and do this, because we have so many people that are not able to be housed,
and even a couple 1000 more than we thought, we're going to need housing this year that are
looking for housing, we've just got to move forward and do more and I love this, I love this work
that you're doing. So, thank you."
Joanne Osheski, 102 East Elm, "I really want to thank Scott H ill for pointing out that my property
was not in the original plan. So, I would really like you to just do the new map, which would put
R-O around me. When I talked to the city planner, I think, I don't know where she went, she said,
you can either be R-O or you can be RF-4. I chose RF-4 even though someone told me I would
make more money if I was R-O. But we have a wonderful neighborhood. We have really great
people. There are people that would help me if I needed help, and believe me, sometimes I need
help as I age, so I would appreciate it if you would just take us out of there, because our
neighborhood is great, and we'd like to keep it that way. Thank you so very much."
Peggy alias Margaret Connor, 102 East Elm, "I want to thank Scott H ill also for doing such great
research as we try to figure out what to do here. And I want to reiterate what Scott Hill said, and
what many of you have said, is that the idea of an U rban Corridor and making it walkable, bikeable,
friendly, having more housing in a denser etc., it all makes sense, even though we all grew up
thinking we lived on a farm here, it's just not that way anymore. But our property is right, we have
the same line as the Urban Corridor, which means that an eight story apartment building, or any
kind of building, could be for any purpose, would be right there overlooking our house and our
yard, which is absolutely beautiful. We are master gardeners, we have done wild scaping using
native plants, etc., as many of our neighbors have. So, we have a beautiful neighborhood. We
probably get five, six letters a week, people wanting to buy it, people are always calling us. I mean,
it's a very desirable piece of property, as many of us have anywhere from one to four acres there,
very unusual anymore, but it's very important to me that we, in addition to doing the Urban
Corridor, that we honor and respect the single family residential neighborhoods. So, I want you as
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my City Council to figure out how to do this beautiful Urban Corridor, to manage the population,
manage the traffic, etc., and still have single family residential homes in that area be just as
important. 1 don't want to be put at the bottom of your list as not a priority or not as important, and
that's what I'm asking each of you to do while you figure out how to do an Urban Corridor that fits
the needs that this city has. Thank you very much."
Nicole Lim, 4222 North Stone Creek Heights, "I'm not here to say yes or no, do this or that,
because there was a lot that was talked about that was confusing, but I do just want to comment
on development. This comes from a lot of people I talk to, I'm a longtime Fayetteville resident,
this north to south that we have going on with the Urban Corridor we're really concerned about. If
you have been on College from lam to 7pm, it's a disaster already. We've not heard any plans
about what we're going to do about the roads, the sewers, all the things with that, and I don't have
faith that that's going to happen, because I have friends that live right off Hillcrest, right above
North and they have had water problems ongoing for years and years, and the city will come out,
and they'll do a little like patch, but the pipes need to be replaced. There needs to be more
infrastructure built. Um, there's been a lot of talk that we cannot go east west, I do not understand
that, and I'm sorry there's also we can't go out, so we have to go up, and I don't believe that. I think
we can go out and up, we can go out Wed ington, we can go out Crossover, we can come north,
over by me, by the mall, but we have to be able to do both. We need to be able to have people who
can buy apartments. This is what goes on in a big city, is you don't buy single family homes, you
buy apartments. There needs to be, you know, the apartments need to be where there can be green
space. Everybody can share it, also enough where sunlight comes in, so everybody gets a balcony.
There is a way that we can do all of this, but we really have to look at what other cities have done
and how they have done it in a good way. Not to name names, but I'm going to, we don't want to
do what San Francisco d id. They've got a lot of good things, but they did it really bad, and because
of how quickly they boomed, they have a lot of bad things going on. Sorry, I've got a shaky voice.
And also, there's other places in Minnesota who has just done something with their housing, and
so they are getting ahead of the housing like, I can't remember her name, was talking about, which
is amazing. So, I really encourage you all to do your research, look at what bigger cities are doing,
look how they are happy, and then we do that, because right now we have this fear, sorry, but we
have this fear that College is going to look like MLK, no shade to MLK, but it's not very pretty,
and it looks like it was done as an afterthought, and we noticed that that's the poorer part of town.
But as we get north, it gets prettier and the zoning takes more precedence, and we notice all of
that, so we need to make sure that all of it looks pretty and that we move all out. But I don't want
to drive down college when you all put seven story buildings there, and then you say, Yeah, drive
on these five lanes. You're making a huge problem, so please just consider that as you're going
forward. Yeah, and that's it. Thank you."
Robert Rhoads, Attorney with Hall Estill Attorneys at Law, "I represent Sam Mathias. I suspect
you probably have seen the letter that I've written as well as Kit's memo, it was just discussed.
Today I sent a follow up letter that was sent to you as well. So, I'm not going to go through all of
the arguments and all of the words and the paragraphs of those letters. Instead, I'd rather just kind
of give you a little bit of a scenario of kind of how this kind of came up as far as Mr. Mathias is
concerned. I don't know exactly, I think I sent a schedule, and I did a quick math on the number of
properties, and it's almost 20, and I think it's almost about 50 acres. So, this is a big, it's a big deal
foranybody, and it's a big deal for Mr. Mathias. He didn'thire me and tell me to immediately write
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a letter. He hired me and said, can you explain this to me? Can you help me set up a meeting? So
that's what 1 d id, and well before the Planning Commission meeting, and again, I'm telling you this
because 1 don't want you to think that I just flew off a letter just immed iately, because I d id not do
that. Well before the Planning Commission 1 asked to meet with Britin and Jonathan Curth was at
that meeting, Sam Matthias was at that meeting, others of his people were at the meeting, and Tom
Henley of Crafton and Tull, and I thought it was a very good meeting. And we explained, they
explained, Britin explained, did a very good job explaining what they were trying to do. And we
explained why we d idn't think that was best for us as property owners. We then discussed UT, and
the discussion sort of culminated in, okay Robert, you and Tom Henley, the engineer, go back and
look at what UT has versus what C2 has and tell me if that's something that would work. We left
that meeting, again I do not, I am not going to stand here and say that promises were made, they
were not made, it was go back and look at it. But I can tell you that Mr. Henley, Mr. Mathias, Mr.
Rhoads, so forth, we left the meeting thinking, okay, we got a great solution here, and so we
quickly got back with the staff, indicated that, yes, we were definitely in favor of UT, and we got
an email back saying, well, okay, we're just going to stick with what we got. So that's where we
are, and that's why I wrote a letter. And again, I do not plan..."
Mayor Jordan, "Okay Rob, time."
Robert Coffin, 45 Elm Street, "1 want to applaud your prowess in your urban development along
the corridor of 71 Business. 1 want to reiterate with Mr. Hill that I've been on Elm Street for almost
30 years, and it's just been a wonderful neighborhood to watch everything grow around you, and
we understand, you know, the cancer of society is growth, but it is, it is a real reality of life. We
accept it but we would like to maintain that neighborhood as best we could, and amend and keep
RO on Green Acres, not to mention y'all declared it a floodplain years ago. So, you'd have to build
up three or four feet before you manage an eight story building, you know. So, 1 think that's an
important feature of what kind of impact that would have on Joanne and Peggy's property, or
Robert and Susan Ginsburg's property, and not to mention Colt Square, the runoff. But we
appreciate all you're doing for Fayetteville, the great city, Just found out you're a Loyola grad. 1
went to Loyola as well. Thank you."
Gladys Tiffany, Ward 1, "1 really am grateful to get to hear this discussion tonight, because I've
learned a lot about kind of the nuances of what's going on with this, with this plan that we're talking
about. 1 really just want to add the very deep importance of increasing the kind of housing, low
income housing, that's really going to relieve some of the problems at the very bottom of our local
food chain, and seeing how, as many complications as there are, as many balls as there are in the
air about this, now what it's going to take 1 know is going to be very difficult, but 1 just want to
request that everybody keep remembering how very important it is that we don't want people
sleeping on our streets. None of us do, and this is one of the tools we can use to do that."
Nick Thorne, 629 North Prairie Avenue, "As an architect, I'm charged with protecting the health,
safety and welfare of the public through the designs of my buildings and so, after hearing
comments tonight it seems that we are also aligned on the need and the importance for rezoning
and rebuilding this corridor to also protect the health, safety and welfare of public residents through
crafting a better urban environment. This impressive and transformational project is more than just
a result of grand visions laid out by councils past or many years of hard work by City planning
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staff. It doesn't happen in a vacuum within City Hall, but it is the product of many years of hard
work from passionate citizens who want to see noticeable changes in the built environment in our
beloved city and honestly, it's been encouraging hearing and watching and participating in the
public outreach to craft this Urban Corridor district. Honestly, the future is hard, but the city has
established a clear vision for this corridor and for the city, and that aligns, and this rezoning aligns
with the goals outlined in City Plan 2040, we're creating a city that promotes sufficient use of land
and resources, reduces urban sprawl and encourages the use of public transportation. If approved,
this would be a noticeable action to begin chipping away at the housing shortage that the city is
currently experiencing in our housing crisis. Zoning reform such as this proposal is a necessary
first step to alleviating that crisis, creating housing units along a major corridor such as College
Avenue and South School will create a vibrant, resilient, diverse and sustainable community for
future or current and future residents alike, bringing the grand visions of a future Fayetteville to
the present day. Thank you to all City Council, city staff, for your service to our current city, for
your vision for an even better city, and for your commitment to serve all citizens alike. I ask that
you please vote in favor of this proposal. Thank you."
Nick Caston, 1372 East Century Drive, "I'm here in my personal capacity and on behalf of the
Planning Commission. I fully support this rezoning and I'm excited to see the results that it will
bring to the city. A walkable mixed use corridor will be a welcome addition to our community and
help addressour housing shortage and reduce sprawl. I wantto addressthe Mathias properties such
as Fiesta Square and the shopping center that contains Hobby Lobby. I encourage you to rezone
these parcels to UC as recommended by staff, as they're a prime example of the type of
development that we don't want to see on the corridor going forward, this change of zoning will
still allow them to operate as is for the time being but allow for future growth to be in line with
city plans. Additionally, I think it'd be quite hard forthem to prove that it causes a 20% reduction
in fair market value, if anything, this rezoning will spur more investment in the area, increase
economic vitality and increase the fair market value of their properties. So, on balance, I really
think this is a great thing for the city, and I encourage you to vote in favor of this rezoning tonight
with no further delays. Thank you for your time."
Robert Sharpe, 712 South College Avenue, "It's exciting to see this corridor plan take another
step towards its fruition. Probably what I'm most excited about is this is going to create many
opportunities for high quality housing. It's also going to be a place where we can add more
landscaping and more street trees and really soften College Avenue and make it attractive. It's a
bit of a black eye currently, and it can be much better. I'm also really excited about the potential
pedestrian improvements. We've got a great example at Nelson Hackett Boulevard, where that, I
live on the non -square side of that, and then I walk to work often and so having those improvements
in place makes a huge difference in my quality of life and my feeling of safety, whether I'm driving
or walking, it's so much better. And it was almost like magic when that happened, I was a bit
skeptical, and then to see it actually work was great. One of my neighbors says, I feel like that the
library is now three blocks closer to my house. It's like the city magically just put it on wheels and
towed it closer to my house. So those pedestrian improvements, it's great to see them actually work
and go from paper to reality. The other thing that we often have to remind ourselves is as we do
plans like this, not for the current residents, we certainly take everyone's ideas into consideration,
but really planning for our grandchildren and great grandchildren. And so, a lot of these visions
are bold, ambitious visions, but they're not going to happen tomorrow. And I work in the
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construction industry, and I can tell you, it's very, very, very difficult to pay for anything over three
story construction. Once you get over three stories, you get into steel and concrete and elevators
and so it is, unless you're doing a really expensive high end student housing development, it's very
hard to do, so if you pass the zoning by magic tomorrow you're not going to see eight story towers
come up, you're going to see at best, maybe three stories and so I don't, I don't anticipate having a
lot of citizen backlash because of shadowscast by eight story buildings, but our grandchildren may
want eight story buildings so let's be bold with that. But the other thing I'll say is that this is not
the final step. If we pass the zoning, it's not going to happen, the economics have to be there, the
infrastructure has to be there. And as a city we need to think about, you know, we have a lot of
sticks, but we need to think about carrots for getting the kind of development that we want. We
want high quality development in a walkable area with great landscaping, we're all going to have
to have to come together and find creative ways to do that. So, this is, this is not the last step, but
it's certainly a very, very important step. Thank you."
Natalie Nokia, 1784 West Cascade Drive Ward 1, "I don't need three minutes to voice my
unconditional support for the rezoning of 7113. I do think it is what is best for Fayetteville. Thank
you.
Meredith Caston, 1372 East Century Drive, "First of all, I want to thank all of you, including
Britin Bostick, the city staff, the Planning Commission, the City Council, and you, Mr. Mayor, for
all the time and energy that you've put into this trying to make this the best possible plan for 71 B.
I fully support the 71 B rezone for several reasons. First of all, it permits additional housing, which
we all know is desperately needed in Fayetteville, but it puts this housing in an area that already
has the infrastructure to support it. Secondly, it reduces the sprawl in the chance of additional tree
removal, because we are a Tree City, and we don't want to take out any additional trees. As one of
the previous commenters noted, this is an opportunity to add more trees and beautify this corridor.
The renderings I've seen are breathtaking, and I think they really bring the city into the modem
era, instead of the current look, which, even though it has its charms, sometimes feels a little bit
dated and some of the buildings are a little dilapidated. I think this is going to really spurn
additional development and a lot of people are going to really want to put their businesses and
housing, a lot of the developers will want to put their places on 71 B. Lastly, it's going to make the
area more walkable and bikeable, and this, in and of itself, will drive economic vitality and
ultimately, I truly do believe it's going to increase the property values all along that corridor and
selfishly speaking, 1 am willing to traverse that Township Hill to go to and from 71 B from near
Gulley Park, just so I don't have to get into my car and stress out about traffic and parking. So,
thank you very much for your consideration. I really appreciate all the work you've done on this."
Jesse Buchannon, Ward 2, "1 want to say thank you to the City Council and to the city staff and
planners that have put so much time and effort into this. I think it sounds like a broken record in
here, a lot of us are very thankful forthe work that's going on, specifically about this issue, because
we know that this is one of the most important decisions that our city is facing right now, is how
to move forward withthis particular stretch ofthecity. When I first moved to Fayetteville, 1 moved
to Dickson Street specifically because I wanted walkable community. I wanted to be able to live
where things happened in the city and not have to commute into and out of or around the city in
order to get to where things are, be around people and be part of the community. I also work at
Fayetteville Public Schools, at the high school specifically, and living near that school was an
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important thing for me because I needed to be able to have access to my classroom. I need to have
access to my students because, as you probably know, public school teachers take work home with
us a lot. I believe that I should not be privileged as one of the only people who can afford to live
in areas that are walkable. I believe that we should be investing in the ability for more residents to
live in walkable, bikeable areas in our city, and the way to do that is by increasing population
density, by investing in places like the 71 B Corridor to increase housing in that area so that we can
have more people who live there, and we can focus our infrastructure, our public transportation
and community services in such a way that promote that population density and drive business to
our local small businesses. We have a lot of small businesses along 71 B and 71 B is connected to
our downtown and I believe that investing in this way and promoting the movement of residents
to this area, and allowing people to live affordably in this part of our town is going to greatly
increase the economic benefit for our city and help the people who live here have a higher quality
of life, which is something that we say we care about a lot, but it's something that we struggle to
figure out concrete steps toward, and I think this is a great step towards building a future that
increases the quality of life for Fayetteville citizens. I look at my students constantly, and I wonder
if they have hope for the future of Fayetteville and while I don't think that any plan is perfect, and
we always have to hold ourselves accountable to the lofty goals we set for ourselves, I do think
this plan and the goals within it set us on a path that will give the people of Fayetteville more hope
for their future, and specifically for the future generations of young people who are going to be
living here and dealing with what we build for them. Thank you."
Kevin Farmer, 2872 Lubbock Lane, "I came to speak today regarding the rezoning particularly,
not that my intention is to represent those that have requested to be excluded from the rezoning,
but I can certainly speak for myself. It has struck me thatthere's been a number of views expressed
today, and I'm grateful to have the opportunity to hear them. Mine is one that I would choose to
be excluded from this rezoning for a number of reasons, and among those is it is not crystal clear
that it is in the best interest of this property in particular, nor is it necessarily in the best interest of
the property owner. I think given the scale, the scope of this rezoning and the relatively small
number of people requesting to be excluded, it would seem to me that an opportunity to stave off
what is certainly potential litigation, and perhaps a great fix all for everyone is to in fact, if a vote
is taken tonight, that part of the action that these properties in fact be excluded. I think we all have
more or less the same motivations in improving our city and improving 71 Corridor overall, but it
seems like a great opportunity to satisfy many needsand go back and again given the small number
of people asking to be excluded, it seems like that's such an easy task to address each of these
property owners' needs on more individualized basis. And one last thing, it strikes me as unusual
that on one hand, we recognize that this is some of the most valuable property in Northwest
Arkansas, all across Northwest Arkansas, but yet it seems as though we're under the
misunderstanding that by building housing on 71B that it will be affordable, because those two
things don't align nicely; very expensive land and inexpensive housing. Those are my thoughts,
and I thank you for the opportunity, and I'd like to thank the staff as well. They've clearly done a
great deal of work on this and for the other community members for voicing their opinions and
thank you all."
Clark Eckels, 4011 North Highway 112, "I'm here to speak in support of the Business 71 Corridor
rezoning. This project has been years in the making, and planning staff has done incredible work
to make this a reality. This body has also been supportive in guiding the city to this point, and I
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commend it for doing so. Approving this rezoning tonight would be a major step in making City
Plan 2040 a reality, getting our houses crisis under control and making it safer for all residents and
visitors. There are some property owners along this corridor who are asking to be exempt from
this rezoning, and I urge the council to apply the zoning district to all parcels along the corridor
without exemptions or delays, but especially including those large commercial lots such as Fiesta
Square. This rezoning will only increase the value of properties along this corridor and expands
the list of allowable uses, moving only autocentric uses to conditional use. This is financially good
for the property owners, whetherthey choose to develop on their lands or choose to sell them at a
later date, this rezoning has the opportunity to transform Business 71 into a place to live, the place
where we can prioritize infill development instead of more suburban sprawl, a place for affordable
housing, transit oriented development, a safer place for pedestrians, cyclists and motorists, a place
for people. From an economic standpoint, this project is also an opportunity to address the rapid
growth that we are experiencing while still limiting our liabilities and increasing tax value per acre
along the corridor. Will you help usher Fayetteville into a safer and more sustainable future, or
will you let the failures of the past stand for yet another generation? As a more recent parent, you
know, I want Fayetteville to be a place where my daughter could live and thrive and, you know,
stay if she wants to stay as she becomes an' adult, and also be a safe place for her to grow up. Our
downtown is one of our city's greatest gems, and that's because it is so walkable and has so many
different mixes of uses, and I think we should have more places like it. Thank you."
End of Public Comment.
Council Member Stafford, "The first thing I need to do is actually issue a public apology. I don't
know if the folks are still here, but a couple weeks ago, I made a pithy comment, and so I want to
apologize to Scott Hill, to his neighbors on Elm and Green Acres, and to people of Fayetteville in
general. It's not a comment I should have made, but when you hear the argument of I support this,
but not next to me, a lot of times, you know, it just becomes this moniker you hear of nimbyism,
and I don't believe that's where their heart was at, you know, in retrospect, and I have talked to
staff, and we do have an amended map, the A.2 Map, and I would like to have us adopt that map.
I don't know if that needs to be brought forward as an amendment, but if so, I would like to offer
the A.2 amended map."
Council Member Moore, "Second."
Council Member Stafford, "Is that how I need to do that, Jonathan?"
Jonathan Curth, "I think that's clear, and for staffs perspective, my understanding is that Miss
Bostick crafted an Exhibit A.2 that you referenced that removes several parcels on the west side
of Green Acres that were part of the staff proposal but that fell outside the 71 B study area that was
initially put forward. And so, amending this ordinance to Exhibit A.2 would remove those
properties, that's correct."
Council Member Stafford, "Yeah, and I think it was a very reasonable request. I think it makes
sense in that context in that section, so I would like to forward the amendment that we adopt the
A.2 map."
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Mayor Jordan, "So are you talking about the Elm Street area?"
Council Member Stafford, "The Elm and Green Acres."
Council Member Moore, "I appreciate the conversation that Scott and now the neighbors came
out, and Elm is a very engaged neighborhood, and I really appreciate that. I think that they
recognize today that R-O does allow for multi -story and so I think that this being pulled off of the
corridor is more in good faith of saying it wasn't in the original pathway that was being looked at,
but I think the discussion has been that we recognize that there's a lot of investment that's being
made by taxpayers across all of the city, for this area, for enjoyability, and so revisiting these at a
later date is what I understand we're going to be looking at, and so that's why I'm supportive tonight
to pull that off. I think it's incredibly important with the resourcing that we've had and all of the
strategic goals that we've spent really across all of our strategic plans accounts for, you know,
millions of dollars between staff time and the actual time on these money on the plans, that we
keep the corridor plan as cohesive, that we keep it as intact and whole so that it has the ability to
fully fulfill kind of the obligation of what it's going forward to do. And I really am hesitant to think
about creating spot zoning or pulling different properties for different reasons because of that
cohesive nature and the need to be able to have this operate based on, you know, especially
something I was going to say, and I appreciate Council Member Wiederkehr speaking to when we
talked about the property protection act, but the entire, you know, undertaking of this really was
what was pointed out under E.10, that we are being reasonably in good faith believing that our
actions necessary to prevent immediate threat to life or property. We know that, as we've heard
anecdotally from individuals and then the data that it supports that, and so I think it's incredibly
important that this is a very cohesive plan going forward."
Council Member Berna, "I just want to say that, you know, a couple weeks ago when we met
and we tabled this, I got some fairly nasty emails because I was asking for it to be tabled so that
we could take a step back and look at this and make sure we're doing it right. And this is an example
of you can look at something and on paper it looks great, but then when you start really dissecting
it and looking at the situation, it's a lot more complicated than what it just appears on paper. So,
when we took these two weeks, one of the first emails I got was from mister Hill, and he said, you
know, this is a scenario that I'm looking at, and I had to put myself in his position, and I would not
want that for my own personal piece of property. So, I say that to say waiting two weeks on
something this significant that has so much bearing on the whole City of Fayetteville is well worth
it. It takes, you got to take your time to do this right. The same situation with the property owners
that are being excluded, we look at this and some people say, well, you know, they're property
owners, they're developers, they're this or they're that. They're still citizens of Fayetteville, or still
property owners of Fayetteville, and it is their property, so they have to defend what they think is
right or wrong. So just because they're developers or they're owners of big pieces of property, they
don't lose their rights, and they have a right to defend what they think is good for their property.
Now I think it needs to be probably cohesive, but I understand their point, and it gives me a little
bit of concern with what the city attorney is saying, but I just wanted to point out that what looks
to be simple in this situation is not simple. It's very, very complicated. And I'm glad to see that we
were able to get the Elm Street and Green Acres area identified and corrected. So, thank you."
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Council Member Stafford, "I just saw Scott walk back in the room, so I want to say it to your
face, I apologize for my comment two weeks ago, and it was pithy, and it was out of frustration of
kind of hearing those arguments. But I believe in your case it was a genuine observation, and I do
believe that you support what we're doing here, and so thank you."
Council Member Stafford moved to amend the ordinance to match the map in Exhibit A.2.
Council Member Moore seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
City Attorney Kit Williams, "Mr. Mayor there was another proposed amendment that Jonathan
made about placing the whereas clauses, that needs to be made as an amendment by the City
Council."
Council Member Stafford moved to amend the ordinance to adopt the new whereas clauses
as presented. Council Member Hertzberg seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion
passed unanimously.
Council Member Stafford moved to suspend the rules and go to the third and final reading.
Council Member Moore seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed 7-1. Council
Member Hertzberg, Stafford, Jones, Moore, Wiederkehr, Berna and Bunch voted yes.
Council Member Turk voted no.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
Council Member Stafford, "I've been here for not quite a year yet, and this is probably the most
consequential vote that I've had so far, and I'm excited to make it."
Council Member Turk, "The reason why I voted no for advancing this to our final vote is because
I still think there is quite a bit of review that needs to be done. I, you know, there's property owners
that want to be included, there's some that want to be excluded, and I just think more consideration
needs to be given to those requests. You know, we slowed down the process for two weeks, and
appreciate everybody's vote in excluding Elm from this, 1 think that was, there was very good
arguments for excluding it, and I'm glad we did that, but there may be other properties that we
need to look at more closely. So, I just wanted to explain why I didn't want it to go to the third and
final reading. Thank you."
Council Member Jones, "Again, thank you to Britin and Jonathan for your, and your staff, for
your hard work. I wasn't on council when this first came about, but I do know that it is answering
a lot of the, it is addressing a lot of the challenges that the citizens have... A lot of the questions
that they've had, and so I've been receiving, a lot of people have, are really supportive of this, and
Britin, thank you so much for outlining it tonight and your ability to outline this and put it in a way
that our citizens are more able to understand it, and so I'm looking forward to supporting this. And
again, this is going to definitely speak to the housing crisis. It's not a perfect solution, but I do
believe that it's equitable and it is what our citizens need. So again, thank you guys so much for
doing what you always do. You do a great job. So, Mayor Jordan, I'm going to definitely be
supporting this."
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Council Member Wiederkehr, "I want to express respect for our city attorney and for Mr. Rhoads
representing clients, l think that it's important that we value what we hear from them. It's important
that they receive our respect. It's important that they keep us out of jail. It's important that they do
all of those things that are necessary for the efficient operation of government, and we would be
lost without them, and so 1 don't want to be dismissive of their concerns and their admonitions,
and so 1 appreciate the attempts to protect us. So, 1 too want to thank staff for their work. 1 think
that a phenomenal amount of analysis and goodwill has gone into this measure and a whole lot of
public meetings. l mean, we've got well over 700 people providing input, and that is no small feat
to track that and keep tabs on it. And so, 1 commend the organization for pursuing that kind of civil
d iscourse and also want to thank the residents of the Elm Street neighborhood, they approached us
in the same rational calm manner explaining the circumstance, having been excluded from the
earlier original meetings, not knowing that they were included, and they did that beautifully, as we
would hope everyone would. And 1 appreciate staffs response to that, saying, oh my goodness,
they are absolutely right, and staff not burying that, but telling us and informing us, yes, they were
excluded, and that's transparent government, and so 1 commend staff for that as well. Thank you."
Council Member Hertzberg, "1 know we've talked a lot about exclusions, but l did want to talk
about inclusions. So, my question for staff is if we did have a property owner who wanted to be
included, could they go through traditional rezone process for this zoning?"
Jonathan Curth, "Yes, that is an option."
Council Member Hertzberg, "1 think that that would be preferable for me, because this is going
to enable Planning Commission to review everything, we can review everything on a case by case
basis, and we don't have to do that tonight, which 1 think would take a lot of time and effort, and
maybe we wouldn't have a full enough picture to make the best decision. So, 1 am in favor of
moving forward without any other inclusions or exclusions. Thank you."
Council Member Bunch, "I have a quick question for staff and this kind of addresses what Holly
brought up. What would be the cost to someone who wanted to apply and go through the proper
channels for rezoning, just a basic small business owner?"
Jonathan Curth, "A typical rezoning application, l believe, is $325. There's a $5 fee to make the
public notification sign, so about $330."
Council Member Bunch, "And then they have to notify, they have to send out letters, right? To
people within..."
Jonathan Curth, "That's correct. There may be some incidental costs if they don't have a valid
legal description that's necessary if they can't use their deed, they may need to employ somebody
to survey a property or craft that deed. And to your point, they also would need to mail letters to
adjoining property owners."
Mayor Jordan, "Well, I have just a few comments. This has been going on for about seven years,
I remember Garner Stowe, I assigned him to that when he first, and then Jonathan carried
everything on. I certainly want to thank Jonathan Curth and I want to thank Britin Bostick for all
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their hard work on this thing. I want to thank my Chief of Staff, Susan Norton. I want to thank the
Planning Commission for all their work on this. I want to thank the task force, there was four of
them here tonight, thank you for showing up and putting your input into this. The letter that you
sent I thought was just fabulous in support of this. In my closing remarks, we all know the
importance of long range planning and community input for scalable, responsible growth across
our city. My staff and I have been working on the transformation of 71 B for the last seven years.
We have been steadily acting on developing housing solutions, exploring changes to code and
soliciting feedback from the community on this project. Yes, we are working to increase housing
stock of every kind, and yes, we are meeting the national challenge with local solutions. The new
71 B Urban Corridor zoning designation gives property owners the added benefit of prioritizing
mixed use and residential units where they have not been allowed to be built in the past. It will
create housing density along the corridor that is being updated with the infrastructure needed to
handle increased traffic and utility demands. This includes public transit options. More housing
will also bring increased revenues to small businesses along this corridor, and as Mayor I continue
to dedicate resources to projects that benefit all members of our community. These housing
solutions will help to meet the city's projected population growth, improve affordable housing
options for our workforce, and set an example for the rest of the state to follow for turning inner
city highways into urban corridors for build ing our future together. Staff has worked diligently on
this plan, and I sincerely appreciate their thoughtfulness and determination and seeing it through."
Mayor Jordan asked shall the ordinance pass. Upon roll call the ordinance passed
unanimously.
Ordinance 6798 as Recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Ordinance to Amend § 161.36 Urban Corridor: An ordinance to amend § 161.36 Urban
Corridor by enacting a new (H) Protections for Single -Family Zoned Districts to provide the same
protections for adjoining single family residential districts as currently required for Urban
Thoroughfare and all multi -family districts. At the October 1, 2024 City Council meeting this
ordinance was left on the First Reading.
Council Member Turk moved to suspend the rules and go to the second reading. Council
Member Hertzberg seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
Council Member Turk requested that members of the Fire Department come forward to address
some concerns she had. Fire Marshal Jeremy Ashley and Assistant Fire Chief Russell Hulse were
present to answer questions.
Council Member Turk thanked members of the Fire Department for being present. She requested
clarification on what kind of access buildings over three stories were required to have.
Jeremy Ashley, "Okay, so if it's above three stories, so over 30 feet, it is going to be required to
be an aerial apparatus access, which requires a setback of 15 to 30 feet away from the structure of
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the building and then our apparatus road, the access, has to be 26 feet wide to accommodate for
the outriggers on our ladder trucks. The aerial apparatus access can be in the back of a building.
The aerial apparatus access can be on either side of the building, or it can be in the front of the
building, and that depends on the project, the size of the property, whether or not there are power
lines running down the front of the building. There's a lot of different things that could affect the
placement of the aerial apparatus access, and we do have the authority as the AHJ to decide which
side of that building will be the aerial apparatus access. Does that answer your question?"
Council Member Turk questioned if only one side of the building was required to have arial
apparatus access.
Jeremy Ashley stated that was correct.
There was then a brief discussion between Council Member Turk and Jeremy Ashley regarding if
there was the potential for the Fire Code language regarding access requirements to change, or if
there was the potential for new technology that would eliminate the apparatus access.
Council Member Turk thanked the Fire Department for being present to answer her questions.
She would like to either pass the ordinance or move on to the third reading due to the Fire
Department verifying that only one side of the building was required to have access. She believed
it would pose a shading and a privacy issue for adjacent residential neighborhoods.
Council Member Moore understood Council Member Turk's concerns; however, she struggled
with the way developments and projects in certain areas had not been able to move forward with
something like what was being requested in place. She would like to table the request indefinitely.
Council Member Stafford stated he was not yet prepared to vote and that he would like to d iscuss
some additional questions with the Fire and Planning Department.
Mayor Jordan asked if Council Member Turk wanted to hold the item for a few weeks.
Council Member Turk stated she wanted to hold the item for a couple of weeks to gather
additional information.
The City Council received l public comment regarding this ordinance.
This ordinance was left on the Second Reading.
New Business:
Ordinance to Amend § 161.36 Urban Corridor (Enacting Use Unit 38 Mini -Storage Units as
a Conditional Use): An ordinance to amend § 161.36 Urban Corridor by enacting Use Unit 38
mini -storage units as a conditional use for Urban Corridor in Section (B) (2).
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
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Council Member Berna stated he had brought the ordinance forward due to comments he had
received from a property owner in the Cityof Fayetteville. He believed thatthe increase of housing
would warrant the need for storage space.
Council Member Stafford believed Council Member Bema had a point. He briefly spoke of
seeing storage lockers inside of a structure that appeared to be a City building and how projects
like that used a smaller footprint. He would be in support of the request.
The City Council received 1 public comment regarding this ordinance.
Council Member Hertzberg stated she saw the need for transitional storage unit space and would
be in support of the request.
Council Member Moore spoke of how the area could become out of balance with additional
automobile traffic and would not be supportive of the request at this time.
Council Member Stafford questioned if Council Member Bema would be amenable to holding
the item on its current reading.
Council Member Berna stated that was fine. He then went on to speak of the potential of down
zoning a property within the zoning district by taking away the use of storage units. He questioned
how that would affect the City since there was a property owner that had expressed an interest in
building a storage unit.
City Attorney Kit Williams stated that would be considered down zoning since the property
owner would no longer be able to do that. He then went on to speak of how there would be a
limited amount of money the property owner could claim they had lost because of the new zoning
district, so it would not be a giant financial threat to the City.
Council Member Berna stated his only concern currently was that the City had a property owner
that was already in the process of redoing his property, and then the new zoning district occurred
which would take the use of storage units away. He believed by making the storage units a
conditional use, the City would still have all the checks and balances required to make sure they
would be compatible in areas of town. He would like to move forward with his request.
There was a brief discussion between Council Member Turk and City Attorney Kit Williams
regarding when the Urban Corridor zoning district would take effect. City Attorney Kit Williams
stated that the new zoning district would become effective 31 days after it's passage by the City
Council. He then went on to explain that if the property owner had obtained a building permit or
something similar for a mini storage, it would still be effective, and they could still develop it.
However, if the property owner had not gone through the process yet at all, and did not have any
kind of development permit, then he would have to comply with the ordinance. Jonathan Curth
clarified that the Urban Corridor zoning district had already been approved, and what had been
approved tonight was the application of said zoning district. He then went on to explain how if the
current ordinance was adopted tonight, it would be modifying the zoning district that had already
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been approved by the City Council. He went on to state that he did not see any permits issued for
the property in question or any conditional use permits requested either.
Council Member Stafford questioned if what the City Council would be amending wasn't what
was passed tonight, but the original code that had been approved previously.
Jonathan Curth stated that was correct and that what the City Council was currently considering
was amending the definition of the conditional uses in the zoning district.
Council Member Stafford questioned what kind of leeway the Planning Commission had in
approving or denying conditional use permits.
Jonathan Curth stated conditional use permits could be considered broadly and that the Planning
Commission took into account it's compatibility and if the request would create a nuisance or
dangerous condition.
Council Member Stafford questioned if staff had a position on the amendment.
Jonathan Curth believed that staff ultimately did not recommend in favorof the amendment due
to a mini storage not significantly contributing to the City's tax base, streetscape or public life. He
then gave a brief history of storages in the City of Fayetteville and went on to speak of how staff
was not for or against the amendment.
Council Member Berna stated he would like to hold the item on its current reading.
This ordinance was left on the First Reading.
T-Hangar (Revised Lease & Rate Increase): A resolution to approve a revised T-Hangar lease
format updating terms and conditions, increasing rent for2025 by 15%, and adopting a yearly 3%
inflation adjustment beginning in 2026, and to authorize Mayor Jordan to sign the T-Hangar leases.
Council Member Stafford stated the Airport Board had requested the item be tabled.
Chris Brown, Public Works Director gave a brief description of the resolution and of the T-
Hangars currently at Drake Field. He stated staff would have a meeting with the Airport Board
later in the week to go over additional details regarding the lease and then come back to the City
Council with a finalized version of the lease agreement.
Council Member Stafford questioned if Chris Brown was amenable to the item being tabled so he
could meet with the Airport Board. Chris Brown answered yes. Council Member Stafford then
went on to speak of how he believed it was important to let the City's advisory boards have their
chance to weigh in on things.
The City Council received 1 public comment regarding this resolution.
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Council Member Stafford moved to table the resolution to the November 7, 2024 City
Council Meeting. Council Member Hertzberg seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion
passed unanimously.
This resolution was tabled to the 11/0712024 City Council meeting.
Economic Vitality Master Plan (Adoption): A resolution to approve and adopt the 2024
Economic Vitality Master Plan.
Council Member Berna stated that the presentation would last longer than 10 minutes, so he
recommended giving 20 minutes ahead of time to the presenters.
Devin Howland, Director of Economic Vitality, and Marlee Stark, Economic Equity & Mobility
Project Manager, both gave a brief description of the Economic Vitality Master Plan. They then
went on to speak of the specifics regarding the plan and of the community engagement that had
taken place.
Council Member Stafford thanked staff for their work on the plan. He was excited to see it move
forward and was fully in support.
Council Member Moore thanked staff and everyone else that had worked on the plan.
There was then a brief discussion between Council Member Moore, Devin Howland and Jonathan
Curth regarding a potential update of the City's Unified Development Code. Jonathan Curth went
on to explain how the Downtown Plan thatthe City would be initiating nextyear would potentially
be used as a springboard towards a more comprehensive planning effort city wide, which could
segue into a rewrite of the City's Unified Development Code. Devin Howland briefly spoke of
how there was a section within the Economic Vitality Master Plan that staff had worked on that
talked about the possible code rewrite.
The City Council received 3 public comments regarding this resolution.
Council Member Hertzberg spoke of how housing had been an ongoing challenge, and that
issues people faced when trying to find housing was its affordability and individual income levels.
Therefore, she was a huge fan of the plan and its job skills training portion, which she believed
would increase access to housing for individuals within the City. She would be in support.
Council Member Wiederkehr commended those who had worked on the plan and had been
pleasantly surprised to see an attempt to address how the economy suffered when people were lost
to the workforce due to childcare or elder care obligations. He thanked the Economic Vitality
Department for their work.
Council Member Bunch stated the detail and amount of work that had went into the plan had
been incredible. She noted how much involvement had taken place with the plan and thanked
everyone who had been involved.
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Council Member Turk commended Devin Howland and his team for their efforts and believed
the plan was very thorough and well documented.
Council Member Stafford echoed the City Council's comments. He liked that the plan
acknowledged the arts economy and the creative economy. He thanked staff for their hard work.
Mayor Jordan thanked Devin Howland, Marlee Stark and Chung Tan for their work. He briefly
spoke of how Fayetteville had seen remarkable growth and of how the City needed to do more to
make sure the entire community benefited from said growth. He then went on to explain the values
that the Economic Vitality Plan had been built around and thanked everyone for their insights and
was confident that the work in implementing the plan in the coming years would lead to a more
economically inclusive and resilient Fayetteville.
Council Member Wiederkehr moved to approve the resolution. Council Member Bunch
seconded the motion. Upon roll call the resolution passed unanimously.
Resolution 260-24 as recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Rezoning-2024-0040: (2400 E. Township St. /Township Baptist Church, 292): An ordinance
to rezone the property described in Rezoning Petition RZN 2024-40 for approximately 1.17 acres
located at 2400 East Township Street in Ward 3 from RSF-4, Residential Single -Family, Four
Units Per Acre, to NS-G, Neighborhood Services -General.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
Jonathan Curth, Development Services Director gave a brief description of the ordinance. He
noted that the sewer main by the property was currently at capacity in wet weather events, and that
the developer might be responsible for some manner of upgrades. He stated the rezoning would
reduce the tree preservation on the property from 25% to 20%. He then spoke of how there had
been public comment received on the request, many in support and some in opposition. He stated
staff recommended in favor of the request and the Planning Commission forwarded it to the City
Council unanimously. He noted Katie Wallace was present as the applicant for the item.
Matt Powe, Architect stated he was excited for the project and spoke of how he believed the
request would be a great fit for the area. He was available for questions.
There was a brief discussion between Council Member Stafford and Jonathan Curth regarding the
current tree canopy onsite. Jonathan Curth stated staff had not yet evaluated the sites tree canopy.
Council Member Stafford stated he was excited about the project and mentioned that most of the
calls and emails he had received regarding the request had been positive. He believed that
integrating new uses into old buildings was what made city's special. He would be in support.
Council Member Berna questioned sewer capacity in the City and how it had been calculated
that it was at capacity.
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Jonathan Curth stated those calculations had come from the City's Utility Department and from
the 2030 Sewer Master Plan, where evaluations had been taken on the sewer lines and manholes
throughout the City. He then went on to speak of how the sewer line that the current church onsite
dumped into was at capacity and that when the project comes in for development staff will
determine whether the developer could potentially be responsible for bearing the cost of upgrad ing
that line.
Council Member Stafford questioned if the applicant was prepared for those possible costs.
Matt Powe answered yes.
The City Council received 7 public comments regarding this ordinance.
There was a brief discussion between Council Member Bunch and Jonathan Curth regarding if a
church could operate under the new zoning that had been requested. Jonathan Curth went on to
explain nonconforming uses within zoning districts and stated that if the property had ceased to be
used as a church for six or more months, the opportunities for them to reinitiate that would be to
rezone the property to a district that allowed churches or religious institutes, or a conditional use
permit could be requested. He then stated he was unsure if the church onsite had not been in use
for six months.
Council Member Bunch spoke of how she had not seen very many cars onsite and felt as though
the church hadn't been utilized very much. She questioned what the highest density of
development could be allowed on the property under the proposed zoning.
Jonathan Curth stated that the theoretical density under the Neighborhood Services zoning
district would allow up to 20 units.
Council Member Stafford spoke of where the property was located and how a little extra traffic
added nearby would not be noticeable. He felt as though this was an opportunity to add a
neighborhood gathering space to the area that would allow people to walk and bike in. He would
be in support of the request and stated that the majority of emails he had received on the topic had
been from neighbors in the area that were supportive as well.
Council Member Moore recognized the comments that had been received from neighbors in the
area who had concerns with the request. She spoke of how the request could foster community
gatherings that were accessible on foot or by biking and create a third space for the community to
engage in. She could see an added benefittothe wellbeing and safety of the community by creating
spaces such as what was proposed. She believed it would add value to the area.
There was a brief discussion between Council Member Bunch and Jonathan Curth regarding what
parameters were needed to create a situation that the City would want to put a crosswalk or
stoplight into an area. Jonathan Curth then went on to explain how the project was too early to
make an evaluation on whether that would be needed.
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Council Member Bunch spoke of the traffic that was currently on Township Street and that the
area could probably merit a stop sign or a stop light later on. She then went on to explain how a
lot of the trips to local businesses would be within the neighborhood, so they would be on foot or
by bicycle. She saw the request as a great possibility to provide services to the neighborhood that
would be utilized and become a gathering spot for children and families from the area.
Council Member Turk stated she had concerns with the request and its high density allowance
being next to a neighborhood. She then questioned if there was another zoning district that would
allow coffee shops in the neighborhood area with density limits.
Jonathan Curth stated Neighborhood Services Limited would be the next zoning step down that
would allow those opportunities and limit density to ten per acre.
Council Member Turk believed that sounded like more of an approach that needed to be taken.
Council Member Berna briefly spoke of the amount of traffic in the area. He believed the request
would be a good use for the area and was leaning towards supporting it.
Council Member Wiederkehr spoke of how he lived next to a church that had been successfully
turned into a condo and did not see an automatic conflict between a residential use to have a
commercial use. He believed the request was rational and would be supportive.
Council Member Stafford stated Council Member Wiederkehr had brought up a good point. He
then went on to speak of how he believed City parks were for everyone and that there was a need
for more accessibility in multifamily housing next to parks. He noted how the Planning
Commission had unanimously supported the request as well as staff and then spoke of how he
believed it would be a great opportunity. He would be in support.
There was then a brief discussion between Council Member Stafford and Mayor Jordan regarding
the concerts at Gulley Park.
Council Member Moore moved to suspend the rules and go to the second reading. Council
Member Stafford seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed unanimously.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
Council Member Moore moved to suspend the rules and go to the third and final reading.
Council Member Jones seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed 7-1. Council
Member Turk, Hertzberg, Stafford, Jones, Moore, Wiederkehr and Bunch voted yes.
Council Member Berna voted no.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
Mayor Jordan asked shall the ordinance pass. Upon roll call the ordinance passed 7-1.
Council Member Hertzberg, Stafford, Jones, Moore, Wiederkehr, Berna and Bunch voted
yes. Council Member Turk voted no.
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Ordinance 6799 as Recorded in the office of the City Clerk
First Repair, Inc. (Service Contract): Resolution approving a contract with First Repair, Inc. of
Evanston, Illinois to train Fayetteville leaders to repair harm done to African Americans in
Fayetteville.
Council Member Jones questioned when he should bring forth amendments to the item he had.
City Attorney Kit Williams stated starting with the amendments would be appropriate.
Council Member Jones stated his amendment included the words `intention to appropriate up to
six thousand dollars for travel expenses for Fayetteville officials or employees to attend training
in Evanston, Illinois.'
City Attorney Kit Williams read the title and section one of the amended resolution. He then
explained how the City Council would need to vote on the amended resolution and then they could
begin discussion.
Council Member Hertzberg questioned what the rationale behind the six thousand dollars was.
Council Member Jones stated that would be talked about further later.
Council Member Hertzberg believed those details were relevant before voting on the amended
resolution.
Council Member Jones explained how a representative from First Repair was present to answer
any questions and provide a presentation outlining the details of the request.
Council Member Hertzberg asked the Mayor if it was a good idea to have the representative
present before the City Council took a vote on the item.
Mayor Jordan stated that was okay, but typically the amendment took precedent.
City Attorney Kit Williams stated it would be better form to vote on the amended version.
Council Member Hertzberg had concerned that the amendment would change the resolution
from a non -budgeted item to a budgeted item and felt it was important to do things differently.
Mayor Jordan suggested that Council Member Jones withdraw his amendment, and the City
Council listen to the representative's presentation.
Council Member Stafford briefly discussed his understand of the amendment and that it was not
a contract but an expressed intention. He then asked the Chief Financial Officerwhat the maximum
amount of money could be spent without `jumping through the hoops.'
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Paul Becker, Chief Financial Officer explained that the typical amount that could be spent was
five thousand dollars and that typically amounts above that required three quotes. He then
explained that a sole source for training could be considered an exemption, and this justification
could be looked at more closely. He then described what sole source was and what the process
looked like to contract with a sole source.
Council Member Stafford asked that if the amount was under five thousand dollars, there would
be no reason to question the amount.
Paul Becker stated that a division head had discretion over any amount under five thousand
dollars, and anything over that amount that was sole sourced required a good justification.
City Attorney Kit Williams pointed out to Council Member Stafford that the six thousand dollars
was not for a contract with First Repair, but for travel expenses.
Paul Becker reminded the City Council that this amendment did not have any language for the
payment of travel expenses for First Repair to come to Fayetteville.
City Attorney Kit Williams agreed with the Chief Financial Officer and explained that the six
thousand dollars would only be used for City of Fayetteville travel expenses to Evanston, Illinois.
Council Member Berna asked Council Member Jones why the training would be justified as a
sole source project and mentioned that the staff underwent DEI training with the University of
Arkansas approximately one year ago.
Council Member Jones stated that the presentation made by the First Repair representative would
answer his questions.
Mayor Jordan asked if Council Member Jones withdrew his amendment, then the representative
from First Repair could present.
City Attorney Kit Wiliams agreed.
Council Member Jones withdrew his motion to amend the resolution.
Lowell, First Repair Representative stated that he would speak for five minutes and then would
relinquish his time to Robin Simmons. He presented a slide show that provided information on the
context of the resolution and referenced that racism was a public health emergency and that the
City Council made a commitment to create a Racial Equity Action Plan. He then explained the
content of the training and provided specifics regarding the travel and training aspects, including
timelines and costs.
Robin Simmons, Founder of First Repair thanked everyone for their consideration of the item.
She provided a brief explanation of what First Repair's mission was and identified that First Repair
was a non-profit organization. She provided examples of First Repair's work in different locations
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and what those 'roads to repair' looked like. She also provided examples of what the learning
sessions could look like in Fayetteville and Evanston.
Council Member Jones asked the Council Members to direct the questions they had for him to
Robin Simmons.
Council Member Hertzberg expressed she had initial concerns regarding the six thousand
dollars. She asked to table the item to get more information on the scope of work, inclusion of
other entities and other areas surrounding the item and amendment.
Lowell stated that his hope regarding the other entities was that there would be a collective
collaboration. He explained that in his view the inclusion of others would bean invitation and not
a mandate. He also explained that if the six thousand dollars was an issue that there were other
options that could looked at to continue forward with the process.
Council Member Hertzberg explained that the money was not particularly the main issue and
that her concerns primarily focused around the language of the resolution.
Lowell stated that First Repair would work with the City of Fayetteville regarding traveling
requirements.
Council Member Berna asked Council Member Jones what due diligence was doneto select First
Repair as a sole source vendor.
Council Member Jones stated that the University of Arkansas DEI program no longer existed
and stated that the City of Fayetteville spent twenty thousand dollars and received nothing.
Susan Norton, Chief of Staff stated that the City of Fayetteville had received over one years'
worth of monthly sessions for senior staff.
Council Member Jones apologized and explained that even though there was training what had
happened since that training was completed. He explained that First Repair `came along' at a
cheaper rate and that the City of Fayetteville would only pay for transportation. He expressed that
the organization was providing their service for free and that he had not pursued research on other
organizations because of this.
City Attorney Kit Williams stated that he understood the six thousand dollars would only be used
for staff and officials and he did not realize that three thousand dollars would be paying for First
Repair's travels. He stated that if this was the case then the resolution would be a contract.
Council Member Jones explained he understood the six thousand dollars to be before the
traveling and accommodations and was therefore not a contract.
City Attorney Kit Willaims explained that if the City of Fayetteville was paying anything to First
Repair, that was considered a contract.
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Lowell clarified and stated that no check would be paid to First Repair and that First Repair would
receive zero dollars from the City of Fayetteville.
City Attorney Kit Williams stated that if the City was paying money to First Repair to provide
services than that would be a contract.
Lowell repeated the purpose of the expense would be exclusively for travel. He explained that the
larger point is the City Council identified a health crisis and First Repair could continue the process
and the road to healing.
Council Member Berna asked if reparations were the ultimate goal of First Repair.
Lowell stated the goal of First Repair was to do what the City Council said they were going to do
in 2020. He then argued that reparations could be used as a synonym to repair.
Council Member Berna asked City Attorney Kit Williams if the Stateof Arkansas allowed a City
to pay reparations.
City Attorney Kit Williams explained that repayments to individuals because of past wrongs
done to their predecessors was not allowed under the Arkansas Constitution. He stated the City
could buy services but could not give money away nor could it be based on race as that could be a
breach of federal law.
Council Member Jones explained that there were numerous ways in which harm could be
repaired that were not always financial. He then explained that the assumption reparations were
financial was justification of why the training was needed.
Council Member Moore asked if Robin Simmons could speak to what the repair process looked
like and what potential outcomes could be.
Robin Simmons explained that there were five different forms of reparations. She also stated that
First Repair did not accept contracts for services.
Council Member Hertzberg asked what the five forms of reparations were.
Robin Simmons reiterated the five different forms of reparations. She stated that those standards
were developed by the United Nations.
Council Member Hertzberg asked which forms of reparations were implemented in Evanston,
I Ilinois.
Robin Simmons provided a brief breakdown of the pathway First Repair used for racial healing
in Evanston, Illinois and provided specific examples of the forms of reparations used.
Council Member Hertzberg asked if there was pending litigation against the City of Evanston,
Illinois.
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Robin Simmons stated there was active litigation against Evanston, Illinois. She also provided a
brief explanation of the adversity the racial healing movement had experienced.
Council Member Stafford expressed his support for the resolution and stated he did not
understand the resistance to the resolution and stated that the City of Fayetteville should not be
afraid to learn.
Council Member Berna explained that he was not on the City Council when the health crisis
resolution was passed and stated that although he was questioning the resolution it did not mean
the City should not do everything it could to make everyone feel included. He stated Fayetteville
was one of the most inclusive cities in Arkansas. He believed the resolution could potentially have
legal ramifications and that it needed to be looked at further. He stated he still had issues with First
Repair being a sole source for the proposed services being provided.
Council Member Hertzberg briefly described her hesitations to the resolution and provided a list
of information that she would like to better understand. She then asked the City Council if they
would be open to tabling for two weeks to November 7, 2024.
Council Member Stafford apologized if his words had offended anyone and offered the City
Council demographic statistic for the black population in the City of Fayetteville. He asked Chief
of Staff, Susan Norton for the demographics of city employees.
Susan Norton said she would ask the Human Resources Director.
Council Member Bunch stated she appreciated everyone's efforts and asked for more information
regarding the initial action plan. She agreed that tabling would be a good idea and was open to
getting more information to decide.
The City Council received 8 public comments regarding this resolution.
Council Member Jones offered an apology and provided a personal anecdote on racism that he
experienced and stated that he needed to stick to his principles and explained how contentious and
important this resolution was to him and the City of Fayetteville.
Council Member Turk explained how she felt there was not enough information available to be
able to make an educated decision at their meeting. She was concerned about the City of
Fayetteville following state, local and federal law.
Council Member Berna explained that because he had asked questions, it did not mean anything
other than he was asking questions and that if certain questions were clarified that he may have
expressed a different opinion.
Council Member Jones believed the training would make the City Council and Fayetteville
better.
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Council Member Stafford moved to amend the resolution. Council Member Moore seconded the
motion. No vote was taken as another motion was made to table the item. Kara Paxton, City Clerk
Treasurer, explained to the City Council that there was already a motion on the floor from Council
Member Hertzberg to table the item. City Attorney Kit Williams stated that the initial motion to
table failed due to lack of a second and the City Council should continue forward with the
amendment. City Attorney Kit Williams read the proposed amendment to the resolution and then
explained that when he had drafted the amendment, he had not realized that money could
potentially be paid to First Repair. With this information in mind, he advised the City Council that
the amendment may be illegal and that the current unamended resolution stated only an intention
to potentially spend funds for traveling. Council Member Bunch stated that she had not realized
Council Member Hertzberg's motion to table the resolution and seconded her motion to table. City
Attorney Kit Williams stated that a motion to table took precedence. Council Member Bunch felt
there were enough people with questions that the resolution warranted tabling for more information
to be gathered. Council Member Jones expressed his appreciation for Council Member Bunch and
that he would be willing to table the item. Council Member Stafford asked a procedural question
regarding whether he could call for an immediate vote on an amendment. City Attorney Kit
Williams explained that Council Member Stafford could motion for an immediate vote, but it
would not take precedence over a motion to table.
Kara Paxton, City Clerk Treasurer, "In orderfor the minutes of this meeting to read accurately, I
would like to go through a few things just for the moment. Council Member Hertzberg made a
motion to table and unfortunately a second was not made in time and this motion died from lack
of a second. During this time period, Council Member Stafford made a motion to amend, and
Council Member Moore seconded the motion, then Council Member Bunch explained she did not
hear Council Member Hertzberg's motion to table and seconded the motion." She then asked Kit
if he agreed with the summation and asked what he thought the proper procedure moving forward
was.
City Attorney Kit Williams suggested that Council Member Hertzberg make a motion to table.
Council Member Stafford was confused about what had just happened regarding the precedence
of motions and asked the City Attorney different questions.
Kara Paxton stated her office was responsible for creating the minutes for the meeting and noted
that the office was trained in parliamentary procedures but, the City Attorney was the official
parliamentarian for the City Council meeting.
City Attorney Kit Williams provided a brief explanation of precedence.
Council Member Berna described a past item in which he had concerns that was worked on and
he ultimately supported once more information had been provided to him. He stated he was
committed to the same idea for the item before him.
Council Member Jones clarified that he was never confused and provided a brief summation on
his amendment.
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Council Member Wiederkehr provided his perspective on the amendment and asked City
Attorney Kit Williams if what he thought being proposed was correct.
City Attorney Kit Williams explained that the resolution expressed the intent to enter a contract
and that it appeared the three thousand dollars would be used to pay for First Repair to travel to
Fayetteville and that he was not aware of this when he had drafted the amendment.
Council Member Jones asked if Lowell from First Repair could come back up to the podium and
answer some questions.
Lowell stated that there did not need to be any contract, and First Repair would be paid zero dollars
and that First Repair asked for intent from them to train City of Fayetteville personnel to repair
harm.
Council Member Jones asked about the money for traveling and how that was split.
Lowell provided a brief breakdown on the cost of how many, where and how much it would take
to move people from Fayetteville to Evanston and from Evanston to Fayetteville.
Council Member Moore explained what she felt was the hang up was the payment of travel
expense for First Repair.
Mayor Jordan asked the Chief Financial Officer if the City Council could use their travel budgets
and asked if all Council Members had a travel budget.
Paul Becker answered yes, they could if they wished but could not buy plane tickets for people
without a contractual obligation.
Mayor Jordan asked if he could use his travel budget to go to Evanston, Illinois without a
contract.
Paul Becker, "Correct".
Council Member Jones asked if that was something that needed to be voted on.
City Attorney Kit Williams reiterated the title of the item and expressed this resolution was one
of intention.
Mayor Jordan stated his interest in First Repair.
Council Member Hertzberg moved to table the resolution to the November 7, 2024 City
Council Meeting. Council Member Bunch seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion
passed 6-2. Council Member Turk, Hertzberg, Stafford, Jones, Berna and Bunch voted yes.
Council Member Moore and Wiederkehr voted no.
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This resolution was tabled to the 1110712024 City Council meeting.
Enact Chapter 120.03 (Ordinance): An ordinance to enact § 120.03 Limitations on Rental
Application and Background Check Fees.
City Attorney Kit Williams stated Council Member Moore had a suggested amendment and
recommended the City Council amend the ordinance before he went through its first reading.
Council Member Moore moved to amend the ordinance to match the ordinance read by the
City Attorney Kit Williams. Council Member Bunch seconded the motion. City Attorney Kit
Williams was requested to read the ordinance before it went for vote. Upon roll call the
motion passed 7-0. Council Member Hertzberg, Stafford, Jones, Moore, Wiederkehr, Berna
and Bunch voted yes. Council Member Turk was absent for the vote.
Council Member Moore gave a brief presentation of the request and spoke of how it aligned with
City Plan 2040. She then went on to speak of the research she had done on d ifferent states within
the United States and their legislation efforts in limiting rental application fees.
City Attorney Kit Williams, "I need to note for the record that there is a state statute titled rent
control preemption, quote, 'A local government shall not enact, maintain or enforce an ordinance
or resolution that would have the affect of controlling the amount of rent charged for leasing
private, residential or commercial property.' It's possible that an argument could be made by a
land lord's attorney that in fact controlling the cost of these applications costs them so much money
they're going to have to raise the rent, so that would have some effect on the rent. 1 think that's a
losing argument, in fact as 1 told Sarah when she first brought me this and I tell you that too, it's
not totally risk free but to me, there's big difference between an application fee and rent. So, 1
think that we would probably survive litigation if somebody brought that against us. I want to
thank Sarah for giving me her initial ordinance so I could look at it because I did find some other
problems that we were able to work through and now we have it down to something I think is
probably legal, so from my point of view I have no reluctance in you all considering this."
Council Member Moore stated the only concerns she had received from property owners were in
regard to the reuse of background checks and that she had been told by one of the larger rental
companies in the City that they had no issues with a cap being set.
Council Member Berna had concerns about the potential negative affect the request could have
on renters due to the potential for property mangers to offset the costs of application/background
check fees into the rent cost.
Council Member Moore spoke of research she had done on the request and how there was
availability to use apps like Zillow to sign up and not be charged additional fees to apply to rentals.
Council Member Stafford thanked Council Member Moore and Kit Williams for their work. He
understood Council Member Berna's concerns but believed in the grand scheme of things, issues
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like that could be worked out, and spreading the add itionalcosts throughout lease term could end
up being a small amount. He would be supportive of the ordinance.
The City Council received 13 public comments regarding this Ordinance.
Council Member Stafford moved to suspend the rules and go to the second reading. Council
Member Jones seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed 6-1. Council Member
Stafford, Jones, Moore, Wiederkehr, Berna and Bunch voted yes. Council Member
Hertzberg voted no. Council Member Turk was absent for the vote.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
There was a brief discussion between Council Member Wiederkehr and Council Member Moore
on how applicants and property owners could use Zillow to apply to rentals and that there was the
potential for the prospective renters to not have to pay anything when applying to a rental through
those apps. Council Member Bunch stated that was her understand ing as well. It was then clarified
that there was nothing that dictated in the language of the ord inance that landlords had to use the
services of the online apps like Zillow, they could use whatever services they wanted.
Council Member Stafford moved to suspend the rules and go to the third and final reading.
Council Member Jones seconded the motion. Upon roll call the motion passed 6-1. Council
Member Stafford, Jones, Moore, Wiederkehr, Berna and Bunch voted yes. Council Member
Hertzberg voted no. Council Member Turk was absent for the vote.
City Attorney Kit Williams read the ordinance.
Council Member Berna stated he would be unsupportive of the ordinance due to it's potential to
hurt renters and increase rent costs. He was unsure the ordinance accomplished what everyone
hoped it would. He also had concerns with the ordinance putting a `bulls' eye' on the City of
Fayetteville from the State of Arkansas.
Council Member Jones thanked Council Member Moore for her hard work and diligence on the
item. He stated that after hearing everyone's stories during public comment, he believed the City
Council needed to do something and that this would align with his values and that as a public
servant he believed it was his responsibility.
Council Member Moore thanked the members of the public who had stayed late for the meeting
and recognized the University of Arkansas students who had been present earlier. She understood
the concerns expressed and had weighed those concerns heavily. She spoke of how this ordinance
would help create more certainty for the community and felt this would be the best path forward.
Council Member Stafford understood and respected Council Member Berna's concerns but
believed the benefits of the ordinance outweighed those concerns. He believed this would be a
great step forward and starting ground for the City.
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Mayor Jordan asked shall the ordinance pass. Upon roll call the ordinance passed 5-7.
Council Member Stafford, Jones, Moore, Wiederkehr and Bunch voted yes. Council
Member Hertzberg and Berna voted no. Council Member Turk was absent for the vote.
Ordinance 6800 as Recorded in the office of the City Clerk
Announcements: None
City Council Agenda Session Presentations: None
City Council Tour: None
Adjournment: 12:46 a.m. on October 16, 2024
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